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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOn "prick", "dickhead", and other misogynistic language ...
Well, I'm a 61 year old white male, and I cannot recall a single instance when I was ever denied one fucking thing because of my gender.
I say this as one who is fairly close to a free speech absolutist; but perhaps those who HAVE been held back with regard to little things like the right to vote, the right to control their own reproductive freedom, and the right to receive equal pay for equal work might be allowed a little bit of leeway in determining which words are more hurtful, if not in the real world, at least in the context of a progressive internet message board.
Of course, that's just one man's opinion.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)mzteris
(16,232 posts)not quite what I was expecting when I clicked on the link.
You get it. You understand. That, sir, is a great feeling.
Thank you.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)I should edit, or just let it go?
niyad
(113,462 posts)yardwork
(61,670 posts)I love your OP. K&R.
ismnotwasm
(41,995 posts)Pretty awesome
oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)niyad
(113,462 posts)misandrist, rather than misogynistic, however.
spanone
(135,851 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)msongs
(67,421 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"denied? well at least maybe not that you KNOW of.."
Like unicorns and flying monkeys-- I've never seen one that I KNOW of...
eomer
(3,845 posts)There is no doubt some people have been denied the right to vote without knowing it.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)After that list is produced, wouldn't it make sense to move on to producing lists of books and magazines that are hurtful? After that, maybe a list of hurtful art could be produced as well.
Please let us know when these lists have been prepared and posted.
Cheers!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)There is a list... it's simply called common sense and common decency. No small print, either. Of course, one may choose to ignore common sense, and rationalize the contrary behavior-- happens all the time.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)taking it over the edge, just one step too far.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)A dearth of ideas, if you will, or an extension of the Confucian proverb, "the man (sic) who strikes the first blow admits that his ideas have given out."
If that's all you can come up with, I feel sorry for you. And, if you are OK with your whole self being shorthanded into a piece of anatomy, then I feel even more sorry for you.
There are plenty of creative and intelligent ways to insult people's ideas without stooping to this language.
Let that stand as a challenge to you, Indy friend.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Especially as a verb. Almost like hysteria has lost its roots to being specifically demeaning to females.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I just watch the film "Evil Under the Sun"... made sometime in the 80's...mid 8o's I think. They used the word "bitch" like 50 times!
As a verb, it has nothing to do with gender... and hasn't for a while.
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)... but I'd guess a poll might find that more than 75% just unconsciously assume it applies only to males. It's pretty much the connotation even if it's not the denotation. It's my impression that it's a sociological/cultural balancing vis-a-vis "bitch" in an attempt to gain symmetry. (Linguistically, "dog" would be the appropriate symmetry' but it just doesn't have the impact desired.) It's strange that anyone would choose to impugn someone's parents instead of the person, but I guess that's a kind of collateral damage in the war between the sexes.
I'm pretty much as feminist as a guy can reasonably get and have never regarded "bitch" (or even "slut" as demeaning to all women, any more than I've regarded "prick" or "putz" as demeaning to all men, even though those latter terms would, at least analytically, be arguably more demeaning to the whole gender. I tend to overthink such things, I guess.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Is that it's more a statement about the person's mother than the person. That's an annoyance to me - that two of the negative things to call a man, "bastard" and "son of a bitch", are both really about his mother. (Though yes, bastard is technically gender neutral.)
Journeyman
(15,036 posts)you get two insults in one, you keep yourself clean, and yet in no way do you demean the recipient's mother.
(The insult "Son of a Bachelor" is from Herman Melville, Moby Dick.)
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Really seems as benign and almost gender neutral as harp or nag.
Especially as a verb.
Language evolves.
Marmitist
(64 posts)Lesbian Sex?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)tclambert
(11,087 posts)It's just a joke now. You can't really insult anyone with it. If you try to ban a word, that gives it more power--shock power, defiance of authority power, rarity of use power. Make it common and silly and poof! it becomes powerless.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)...for the same reasons. It makes a lot of sense.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)There is a valid unoffensive reference for redneck - the sun a farmer gets when working.
Taking back words that have an offensive origin don't change that only meaning they have had.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)At least that has been my experience growing up in the South.
In recent decades, the term has expanded its meaning to refer to bigoted, loutish reactionaries who are opposed to modern ways,[7] and has often been used to attack Southern conservatives and racists.[8] At the same time, some Southern whites have reclaimed the word, using it with pride and defiance as a self-identifier.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)...but I've never felt that empowered me to use sexist language.
Just sayin'
Warpy
(111,292 posts)was of marching in a Suffragette parade in NYC with my grandmother and great grandmother. I'm the last of a long line of uppity Irish broads.
However, I find language policing to be far more offensive than language that might make me cringe.
It's ruined more than one board.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I just reject the notion that because women were denied the right to vote, one of the two genders deserves any privilege over the other. It's simply an attempt to conflate race based discrimination (which certainly is generational) to gender based discrimination, which isn't. Women got the right to vote in 1920. At that time the voting age was 21. Therefore anyone living today who was ever denied the right to vote based on gender could be born no later than 1899 and would be at least 113 today.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)The acknowledgement in your post means a helluva lot to some of us.
patrice
(47,992 posts)misunderstand what you're referring to.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)Misanthropy is the dislike of humanity in general.
patrice
(47,992 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)KnR. nuff said
SunSeeker
(51,576 posts)jeggus
(26 posts)it just sounds more distinguished!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)I'm pretty sure you'll be very glad you did.
CrispyQ
(36,482 posts)bitch, cunt, twat, dick, prick. Now I just use asshole cuz everyone has one! I'm an equal opportunity swearer.
The hardest word to give up was prick. It just sounds so succinct & perfect on the tongue.
A very thoughtful post 11Bravo!
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)But I mean it in the best way possible.
In breeding circles, a male canine is referred to as a dog, while a female is called a bitch (Middle English bicche, from Old English bicce, ultimately from Old Norse bikkja). A group of offspring is a litter. The father of a litter is called the sire, and the mother is called the dam. Offspring are, in general, called pups or puppies, from French poupée, until they are about a year old. The process of birth is whelping, from the Old English word hwelp (cf. German Welpe, Dutch welp, Swedish valpa, Icelandic hvelpur).
I am guessing that even when not breeding it is permissible to call dogs dogs and bitches bitches. Funny how much canine taxonomy we apply to humans.
Dog - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)Classmate
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)We shall intertwine.
I sorta accidentally became a member of the Class of '69 because the draft board thought i needed a little vacation from college. (Should have graduated with my BS in '66.)
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)If you are 61, you are familiar with this.
Sometimes, it's not what you're denied, but what you're obliged.
And as pointed out upthread, a review of the dictionary definition of "misogyny" may be in order.
But to your main point, I fully agree that if terms are hurtful, they shouldn't be used. But "context" be damned. If it shouldn't be said, it shouldn't be said.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)I went from 1A to 4A after a little hiking & camping tour of what used to be French Indochina.
mythology
(9,527 posts)If the underlying issue is that people are using a word based on a gender specific meaning, then it's wrong if it's used as an insult. Otherwise you're being a hypocrite.
Besides, I don't know about you, but I've certainly had people treat me as though I wouldn't know or want to know about certain things because I'm a guy. I've had to watch people run to check on a woman who was injured and those same people the next day laughed in my face for getting injured because as a guy I should have been okay with it. The concussion I took lasted longer than the broken nose the woman had.
There's almost always going to be a group that had it worse. Can women not complain because the African slaves had it worse in this country in the historical reference? Or can the descendant so African slaves complain more?
Eyes of the World
(93 posts)Family court still seems to think that its harder to be a mother without a vagina.
But at least they don't call you names while they humiliate you. So there is that...
cherish44
(2,566 posts)You can call me that a million times. I HAVE been called that... I don't flinch or even care. And believe me, that drives the person who is directing the profanity crazy.... Insults only have as much power as you're willing to give them.
neffernin
(275 posts)a lot of spawns from "principle of the matter". Its not the word itself, it the perceived disrespect etc. I can understand it, but many do take it a bit too far with how much they are against it (and some people don't know when its never appropriate).
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)neffernin
(275 posts)that in some ways, I can understand her plight. I was born into a family with poverty on all sides and have managed to rise up into the middle class completely on my own; it hasn't been easy and has taken lots of hard work and luck. But she is a (now legal) Hispanic immigrant and even though she speaks perfect English (its her first language as she grew up here) and was at the top of her high school class she will never have it easy just due to the color of her skin and the prejudices that people have in hiring positions against women's abilities. In that way, I'll never be able to understand her plight; I can just do my best to support her to achieve as much as she can.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)What is the big deal? If a group I care about finds a behavior I don't care about offensive, I can lose that behavior in a heartbeat. No big deal.