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I'm pretty disgusted here
liberal N proud
(60,346 posts):sarsasm:
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,719 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)I'd be pissed if four black, brown, purple, orange or any color of men were discussing how they'd control women's bodies. This isn't about race, it's about gender.
Cerridwen
(13,260 posts)hetero-sexism, able-ism, political power-over-ism, and the whole spectrum known as Kyriarchy.
Having said that, it's also true that in the US, 'white' has a particular significance not necessarily evidenced in other countries. "The intersections of privilege" can be quite confusing for the neophyte.
To paraphrase an old saying: "The poorest man is king in his own home."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)or two black men, a white man and an hispanic man.
or four oriental men
or three muslim men and a jewish man.
Cerridwen
(13,260 posts)women-who-want-to-be-men making the same decisions?
You know the ones I mean.
The women who say, "I would NEVER have an abortion, but I support the right of 'those' women to have one" or the ones who support the men who control the status quo because they benefit from the status quo; or the women who are just as judgmental and authoritarian as 'the men'? You know which women I mean, right? Of course you do.
This isn't about women against men or men against women so much as it is about those who want to control 'those' women and those who can actually get past the stigma attached to 'those' women.
Response to Cerridwen (Reply #11)
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)but I'm not comfortable in this instance with the reference, Cerridwen. In researching and in informal discussion about abortion, I haven't seen that non-white men, or men from non-elite classes are any more supportive of a woman's right to choose than are upper-class white men.
I'll agree that that those factors can affect whether or not those men are in a position to make decisions about women's bodies, but I'm not comfortable with any men making those choices...and I don't think you and I are too far apart in that view.
Cerridwen
(13,260 posts)But (sorry, I guess you knew that was coming, right?) it is also important to continue to remind 'white' people on this board that 'white' is still the default setting for the 'norm'; in this country. That would be why I made of point of stating such.
That was all.
kiva
(4,373 posts)use it a lot too.
The main reason that I commented on this is that I think it's important to point out that 'white' isn't a qualifier (or I guess in this case a disqualifier), that if these men were not white or upper class that it still would not be OK for them to make plans to control women's bodies.
Cerridwen
(13,260 posts)You and I are on the same...page...wavelength...whatever.
I'm just an obnoxious pain-in-the-butt who insists on pointing out that our 'defaults' need to be questioned, too.
I'm glad you brought your thoughts here; it gives you and me and those who are reading but not replying, a chance to think about some of the permutations of the Kyriarchy and how it effects us all.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)From Twitter
@MiaFarrow mia farrow
I resent the fact that those four men are so vehemently sure about what we women should do with our bodies #prochoice
15 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/#!/MiaFarrow/status/160192112309182465
cilla4progress
(24,776 posts)Trying to outdo one another in how "pro-life" they are.
Then Mitt goes on to make a speech about he's for freedom and liberty. Too stupid to understand the hypocrisy?