Women do it to men as well, especially in the workplace.
I've been on the receiving end of sexual harassment more than once and I'm a guy.
Just saying.

It's not any "better" to do it to a man, but it's not really a horse apiece given that it happens to women much more often. Unfortunately.

on edit:

http://www.etbj.com/2010/05/01/eeoc-sees-spike-in-male-sexual-harassment-claims/

A lot of Teamsters and union folks won't agree with me on this but I have always liked well-stated corporate policies on fraternization and harassment because they reduce gray areas and thus what some knuckle-draggers think of as "horse play" when in fact it's not even close to being an innocent thing. No policy will eliminate something like that, but it does go a long way toward removing any doubts as to what the company's policy is ... provided of course that they enforce it, and enforce it equally.

... often enough by women to undermine the characterization of sexual harassment as a problem with males.
People in a position of power: physical or managerial or simply weight of numbers are often guilty of harassment and that harassment can be sexual or racial or some other way of expressing dominance.
The problem is abuse of power. If in today's society men are more often in positions of power then men are more likely to abuse others. To my experience, a woman in a position of power is no exception.
Yes, sexual harassment is rampant and males do it more often than women but I think that to focus on sexual harassment as a problem attributable to men is counterproductive.

Just pointed out which way it's statistically more prevalent, although that doesn't mean one way is "better" than the other. Wrong is wrong in my book.

The one that WOMEN face..

Classic.

women that are harassed on the street.

I have been on the receiving end of this abuse three times at three different workplaces. I can give my personal testimony as to what happened, and how it played out. Not once was I victimized by another woman.

Did you have a manager "conveniently" not book a room for you while at a sold out convention and retaliated when I wouldn't bunk with his ass? Did you have a manager who couldn't keep his hands to himself and thought my thigh was an appropriate resting place under a conference room table during sales meetings? I could go on and on...

Real life.
Real talk.

The ramifications are no joke.

Minimize, minimize and normalize ....

What the hell has happened to DU?

is a foolhardy enterprise

The worst is when a man abuses a woman in the workplace, and then the other women working there point a finger at the woman.

I have seen that, been the victim of that. You feel so alone and lost. When one woman is harassed, all women are harassed.

And it is particularly despicable when men pick on very young women. My daughter could hardly walk home from high school without grown men yelling at her. She didn't really understand what it was about and felt terribly ashamed. It caused her to be even shyer than she was.

It's simply bullying. It is cruel.

Don't touch women's legs. Don't grab their arms and shoulders. Just because a woman is a foot shorter than you does not mean that she wants your arm around her or your knees next to hers.

It's a power trip. That's all it is. And we women need to work together to remind men that it doesn't gain them respect or power to harass women. Same for the harassment of men. It's just a power trip. (And men do get harassed.)

Girls in elementary school as we drove through their neighborhood and they were walking to their homes from the school bus stop. They said it was just fun as the little girls ran away.

I yelled at them how would it feel if it was their daughter. Well, that just made it all different for a minute. There is always a lot more history. Oh, the stories I could tell.

"... often enough by women ..." "... males do it more often than women ..." what sort of proportions are we talking here? One woman for every 100 men? One for every 1,000? One for every 100,000? What are you trying to imply? You should be saying "... rarely by women ..." and "... males do it overwhelmingly more often than women ..." if you are to be in accord with reality. I suspect you might be willing to say something like "someone I knew worked in a garment factory/kitchen/electronics assembly line and the women harassed him mercilessly," if you do cite the factory otherwise you might be taking MRA bullshit seriously.

"People in a position of power: physical or managerial or simply weight of numbers are often guilty of harassment and that harassment can be sexual or racial or some other way of expressing dominance ..." Funny I do not see many women in positions of power, physical or managerial although your weight of numbers criteria might be valid, but as noted above - citation needed.

What you seem to miss, or try to excuse, is that the type of harassment is almost exclusively male on female. It happens on the street, in clubs and pubs, at work and on holiday. The demeaning of women as only being worthy of admiration for their looks and sexuality is so common we hardly notice it.

The post introduces the video of a particular set of offensive behaviors as a problem exclusive attributable to males (not true).
The post fails to explain exactly what 'sexual harassment' refers to. Just the scenarios on the video? Other behaviors?
I don't think the video pretended to be an all-encompassing representation of what sexual harassment is, but what subset is RedQueen referring to?
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The term 'sexual harassment', used without qualification, leads to the impression that sexual harassment is something that only men do.
I'm not saying RedQueen meant that, it reads that way to me.
I am saying that it's hard to have productive discussions on this if the opening premise is 'Your Fault".

I think there is a whole lot more of it that anyone would guess.

All of us had multiple experiences with extremely aggressive women in the workplace. There are a handful of women I dread traveling with for this reason since that seems to be when they get their confidence up, or just really drunk.

But the only cases I can think of in my career where things really busted open was when a wife or girlfriend decided that a parking lot confrontation with their mans admirer was a good idea. Otherwise everything stays hushed because at best you're going to be laughed at for complaining, assumed to be lying or... well I think Michael Crichton covered it nicely in "Disclosure".

Fair is fair. Bravo.

Some people push boundaries when others play along. In other words, playing along equals enabling.

I wish people could understand the role they play when they enable other's bad behavior. HH had a lot of help getting himself ppr'd, he had many enablers. Will the lesson be learned or will the enablers keep on enabling?

I posted a thread about a minor harassment incident I experienced at a bus stop. I got some criticism for dealing with the situation by shutting down the creep immediately. I still think that is the right thing to do.

They gauge every woman who gets on & as they look about the bus they never look at men. Lot of creeps in cars driving by, too, as they ogle a woman standing at a bus stop. Some days I'd like to stand there with my middle finger up.

You were absolutely correct to shut it down.

I want to date every one of them.

Most excellent PSA.

This is what real men sound like.

And some still didn't get it.

The cartoon:

We--men and women together--shall overcome.

you are the best.



and it is naptime, lol.

I remember walking into a bar looking for a friend I was supposed to pick up. It was at the beach on a street with a few bars, and I wasn't sure in which one he'd be.

I walked in and scanned the room, and not seeing him, walked back out.

"Well FUCK you then!!!!" several guys yelled in a rage.

It really frightened me at the time. Didn't make my day, as I was afraid they would follow me out and attack me they were so enraged.

We women ( and many men ) have so many stories of this kind of ugliness.

But "good girls" play along to get along, right?...........NOT

Thank you

The rape-culture trollery going on here over the last few days is one of the most depressing things I've ever witnessed.

A fine bunch of progressives.

Nothing will ever change if we allow assholes act the way they want. All women should stand up for themselves and not tolerate any kind of abuse. Like redqueen said, playing along doesn't help, only validated their behaviour and encourages them to do it again.
The same of course stands for men who are being bullied or abused by others. No one should put up with it, we live in a free country, we have rights and we have the possibility to start over again , if we must leave an abusive partner.

I've been in the receiving end of this nonsense. A male former-prof of mine was joking around with me at a conference. A female friend decided to take umbrage over it later, casting me somehow as a victim. I was appalled. There are things that dear friends and colleagues get to joke about - sexual harassment requires context, and I'm sick of some other women reacting to any damned thing with sexual content or overtones.

If she heard the story from you, and she was offended, I don't know why you think that translates to her "casting you somehow as a victim".

If she was within earshot when the "friendly banter" was going on, and she was offended, then he needs to be more careful about who he "banters" with.

I'm sick of some women making men think whatever they consider "friendly banter" is ok with all women, just because they know a woman who doesn't mind it. Or doesn't seem to mind it, because a lot of women just put up with it without saying anything, despite not being ok with it.

Of course she heard it herself.

A person doesn't appreciate an overheard conversation that doesn't involve anything regarding them personally? Tough. The rest of the world has no obligation to spare her or his widdle feelings. Expecting people to self-censor to that level is nuts - and downright offensive. Unless the comments are full-out hate speech ("n****r" etc.), there is no basis for anyone to do more than make a personal judgment about whether they'd like to hang around with the speaker in the future.

Speech regarding sexual topics is no different than political, religious, or other speech. Right-wing freaks in the office spouting hate against liberals, LGBT, etc. are no more or less obnoxious than sexual harassers. I'm far more likely to care about someone spouting Limbaugh around me, than I am if someone comments about my ass. That goes for most of the women I hang out with - feminists who are self-confident enough that we don't consider a few blue comments worth remarking on. We have no interest in living in a giant safe space.

pigs.

So enjoy their unfettered bloviations while you still can.