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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo these folks on TV know their facts before they open their mouths?
Saw one of them today on MSNBC...said Ted Cruz was a possible GOP contender for the POTUS.
Uhhhh...except that he wasn't born here? DUH!
jody
(26,624 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)-snip-
Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where his parents, Eleanor Darragh and Rafael Cruz, were working in the petroleum business.[8][9] His father was a Cuban immigrant during the Cuban Revolution to the United States. His mother, an American, was reared in Delaware, in a family of Irish and Italian descent.
Ted Cruz Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)His mother was/is an American citizen.
Do you really think we would challenge his status as a "natural born citizen"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
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Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for election to the office of President or Vice President. This requirement was intended to protect the nation from foreign influence.
The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. A 2011 Congressional Research Service report stated
The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.[1]
The natural-born-citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court and lower courts dealing with the question of eligibility for citizenship by birth, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate's eligibility as a natural-born citizen.
dsc
(52,166 posts)or at least weren't when he was born. McCain's case is different. His father was literally serving abroad when he was born.
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Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where his parents, Eleanor Darragh and Rafael Cruz, were working in the petroleum business.[8][9] His father was a Cuban immigrant during the Cuban Revolution to the United States. His mother, an American, was reared in Delaware, in a family of Irish and Italian descent.[9][10]
Cruz was born and spent the first four years of his life in Calgary before his parents returned to Houston. His father was jailed and tortured by the Fulgencio Batista regime and fought for Fidel Castro in the Cuban Revolution[39] but "didn't know Castro was a Communist" and later became a staunch critic of Castro when "the rebel leader took control and began seizing private property and suppressing dissent."[40] Rafael Cruz moved to Austin in 1957 to study at the University of Texas. He spoke no English and had $100 sewn into his underwear.[41] The elder Cruz worked his way through school as a dishwasher making 50 cents an hour. Cruzs mother, who was from Delaware, was the first person in her family ever to attend college. She earned a degree in mathematics from Rice University in Houston in the 1950s, working summers at Foleys and Shell. Cruz has said, "I'm Cuban, Irish, and Italian, and yet somehow I ended up Southern Baptist."[42]
treestar
(82,383 posts)In order to confirm that his mother lived here during the required number of years at the required ages. Sounds like it though.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)but I think you are splitting hairs here. The guy did not need to go through the naturalization process to become a citizen. I see no reasonable argument which can be made in which he is not a natural born U.S. Citizen.
Anyways....
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/could-there-be-a-president-ted-cruz-1/nRNLB/
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Here are the Cruz facts: His mom was born in Delaware. His dad was born in Cuba, came to Austin in 1957 and was not yet a U.S citizen when Ted Cruz was born Dec. 22, 1970, in Calgary, where his parents had a business. The family moved back to Houston when Ted was about 4.
A 2011 Congressional Research Service report seems to address this kind of situation. The natural-born citizen requirement, the report says, stemmed from founders' "fears at that time about wealthy European aristocracy or royalty coming to America, gaining citizenship, and then buying and scheming their way to the presidency without long-standing loyalty to the nation."
The pertinent (in my non-expert eyes) section of the report says there are several ways to meet the "natural-born citizen" requirement, including "by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents." That and 270 electoral votes seems to get Cruz into the White House. And experts tell me having one parent who is a U.S. citizen when you're born out of the country meets the standard.
A president born in Canada to a dad born in Cuba? Yep, looks like it's legal. Just as Barack Obama, even if he were foreign-born, is eligible to be president because his mom was a U.S. citizen.
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-local-news/texplainer/texplainer-could-canadian-born-ted-cruz-be-preside/
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He almost certainly was a citizen at birth. I think that he would be eligible for the presidency, said Peter Spiro, a professor of constitutional law at Temple University.
Cruzs mother, Eleanor Darragh, was born in Delaware and later moved to Houston. She graduated from Rice University in 1956. By virtue of being born in the United States, she is a citizen. Because she spent most of her life before Ted Cruz was born in the U.S., he also qualified as U.S. citizen at birth.
Ted Cruz didnt naturalize. He was natural at birth, said Spiro, the Temple professor
Spiro said its possible that a person could challenge that the laws granting citizenship at birth do not define what it is to be a natural-born citizen. In fact, the phrase natural-born citizen is only used once in the U.S. Code in Article 2 of the Constitution. Such a challenge would be unlikely to change the current definitions, however, he said.
JHB
(37,161 posts)Actually knowing facts is hard work, and they don't get paid for that.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)on their stupidity.
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)...making shit up for the sake of having something to say. It's rampant on the cables...especially over on Bullshit Mountain...