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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:48 AM Dec 2012

Krugman: Fiscal cliff 'has finally laid bare the con ... of the G.O.P.'s political strategy'

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/opinion/krugman-the-big-budget-mumble.html

In the ongoing battle of the budget, President Obama has done something very cruel. Declaring that this time he won’t negotiate with himself, he has refused to lay out a proposal reflecting what he thinks Republicans want. Instead, he has demanded that Republicans themselves say, explicitly, what they want. And guess what: They can’t or won’t do it.

... And there’s a reason for this reticence. The fact is that Republican posturing on the deficit has always been a con game, a play on the innumeracy of voters and reporters. Now Mr. Obama has demanded that the G.O.P. put up or shut up — and the response is an aggrieved mumble.

... Now Republicans find themselves boxed in. With taxes scheduled to rise on Jan. 1 in the absence of an agreement, they can’t play their usual game of just saying no to tax increases and pretending that they have a deficit reduction plan. And the president, by refusing to help them out by proposing G.O.P.-friendly spending cuts, has deprived them of political cover. If Republicans really want to slash popular programs, they will have to propose those cuts themselves.

So while the fiscal cliff — still a bad name for the looming austerity bomb, but I guess we’re stuck with it — is a bad thing from an economic point of view, it has had at least one salutary political effect. For it has finally laid bare the con that has always been at the core of the G.O.P.’s political strategy.
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Krugman: Fiscal cliff 'has finally laid bare the con ... of the G.O.P.'s political strategy' (Original Post) Newsjock Dec 2012 OP
K&R Whovian Dec 2012 #1
I really like this second term mzmolly Dec 2012 #2
It seems like it has already started. Coyotl Dec 2012 #17
For all practical purposes, mzmolly Dec 2012 #42
KnR. Thank you Dr. Krugman, as always Hekate Dec 2012 #3
Obama and the Democratic party robbob Dec 2012 #4
I am with you on that. The media is owned by corporate USA and a few foreign shareholders, kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #8
The Obama admin can play the media against each other, just propose REALLY stupid shit like kissing uponit7771 Dec 2012 #13
Kissing frogs on Thursday... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #53
That's why the President went to PA on Friday and took to Twitter today.. Cha Dec 2012 #70
Obama should take a cue from Reagan The Green Manalishi Dec 2012 #75
Krugman rocks it as usual. blackspade Dec 2012 #5
Just Like Romney, Republicans Are Nothing More Than Talking Points TomCADem Dec 2012 #6
Does this surprise you? Volaris Dec 2012 #9
Republicans Will Say That President Obama's Refusal To Bid... TomCADem Dec 2012 #10
The RePukes are the Party of Opposition. joeunderdog Dec 2012 #51
I hope he is right about Obama though I don't understand why he couldn't have done that yurbud Dec 2012 #7
I don't understand that either Skittles Dec 2012 #12
He didn't think they would dump the country to get to him, he was very wrong. Should've paid closer uponit7771 Dec 2012 #14
Besides ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #26
Yeah, I actually think that's a very valid point. closeupready Dec 2012 #32
Agreed nobodyspecial Dec 2012 #46
This ^^^^ berni_mccoy Dec 2012 #48
so he did it on purpose Skittles Dec 2012 #64
Not to show "US" ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #66
that 47% doesn't give a fuck Skittles Dec 2012 #69
Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #72
no need to waste time on rabid dogs Skittles Dec 2012 #74
You just don't get it ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #77
Somewhat. It is sort of a bend but don't break defense against the GOP. harun Dec 2012 #81
And why would President Obama ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #83
it's hard to believe a guy smart enough to be elected president knew less than those of us yurbud Dec 2012 #33
In the words of ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #39
To be fair... progressoid Dec 2012 #58
Obama is no pretzel choker, Texas Tard, Crawford Caligula, Chimperor yurbud Dec 2012 #68
Of course not. progressoid Dec 2012 #78
its not being liked and respected by the other party... ShadesOfBlue Dec 2012 #31
Bush got cooperation because conservative Democrats agreed with him on his worst ideas yurbud Dec 2012 #34
nobody could have predicted the obstruction except anyone who coud remember 1992-2000 yurbud Dec 2012 #37
THANK YOU Skittles Dec 2012 #63
It's not just about being President CaptJasHook Dec 2012 #18
excellent point northoftheborder Dec 2012 #21
Ding ... Ding ... Ding ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #27
You put it perfectly. Jennicut Dec 2012 #28
Frankly, I was hoping for the Samuel L. Jackson stereotype instead of Wayne Brady yurbud Dec 2012 #35
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #40
You are right Caretha Dec 2012 #71
President Obama is ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #73
form sells the substance and not being Samuel L Jackson feeds the right wing stereotype yurbud Dec 2012 #79
I strongly disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #80
if that was true, we wouldn't have had the last 30+ years of Reaganomics yurbud Dec 2012 #84
Point taken. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #85
given your screenname, you must agree with me on some level yurbud Dec 2012 #86
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #87
It would be a greater risk but could have the opposite result: we would ONLY have black presidents yurbud Dec 2012 #88
Not ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #89
think about all the racists who watch pro sports, watch black comics and listen to rap yurbud Dec 2012 #90
OK, I admit, I'm just playing devil's advocate here or in this case... yurbud Dec 2012 #91
Well said, well done coeur_de_lion Dec 2012 #38
Some of us have brought the issue of race nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #41
Nicely put! SCVDem Dec 2012 #44
Rec to this post BumRushDaShow Dec 2012 #47
Well said. berni_mccoy Dec 2012 #49
Thats like saying BootinUp Dec 2012 #20
K&R silverweb Dec 2012 #11
When Republicons win it's "suck on it losers - elections have consequences" corkhead Dec 2012 #15
Ought to be read by everyone in America Vietnameravet Dec 2012 #16
Come on people ... Isn't the cliff what both sides agreed to, and the Supercommittee recommended? Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #19
Fiscal Bluff, my friend. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #22
GOP fuckers. lonestarnot Dec 2012 #23
'Strategy'? You mean like this? randome Dec 2012 #24
I've always loved those characters! LongTomH Dec 2012 #55
Put up, Repubbies, or for the love of God just STFU Berlum Dec 2012 #25
I disagree with Krugman's point toward the end, closeupready Dec 2012 #29
Agree 100% stevenleser Dec 2012 #50
Yes, lots of fat could be trimmed; LOTS. closeupready Dec 2012 #56
re:Krugman: Fiscal cliff 'has finally laid bare the con ... of the G.O.P.'s political strategy' allan01 Dec 2012 #30
Republicans WANT DEFICITS, Republicans NEED DEFICITS Martin Eden Dec 2012 #36
The Republican gang bullied America out of it's lunch money, with the help of Bush's fake wars. Gregorian Dec 2012 #43
Fake wars? SCVDem Dec 2012 #45
Isn't GOP inaction equivalent to "raising taxes"?? 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #52
Even ***IF*** there was something to work on with them, YOU CAN'T TRUST THEM, because they patrice Dec 2012 #54
K&R! hrmjustin Dec 2012 #57
Innumeracy... like that word... nt docgee Dec 2012 #59
I love Paul Krugman so much! And he doesn't even know I'm alive! Squinch Dec 2012 #60
I wish Joe Biden would get on the stump vlyons Dec 2012 #61
Thank you , Mr. Krugman ReRe Dec 2012 #62
It's going to be a long 4 years for some Major Nikon Dec 2012 #65
Fiscal Cliff BS elbloggoZY27 Dec 2012 #67
+1, there constituents continue to reward these bozo's with relelection when harun Dec 2012 #82
Get the Secretary of Explaining Shit out there too. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #76
I am going to read this when I have more time. Quantess Dec 2012 #92
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
17. It seems like it has already started.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:45 AM
Dec 2012

Certainly, there is a new position of strength in effect -- a 5 million vote win is a mandate

robbob

(3,538 posts)
4. Obama and the Democratic party
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:11 AM
Dec 2012

...need to get out there and spread this message, 'cause the MSM sure as hell ain't gonna do it. No no; they are far too busy putting Bonner on the air whining about how the Dems don't want to "compromise".

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
8. I am with you on that. The media is owned by corporate USA and a few foreign shareholders,
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:00 AM
Dec 2012

They will never do anything to help this President nor will they tell the public the truth. It will take some dedicated Dems to get this message out there and it needs to be done in small local media outlets in print and TV. If the Dems can't do anything more than use some campaign monies to put out ads in crucial TV spots. They can do it with early candidate announcements and run on a program of showing how the GOP has played the game, their lies, and their strategies, And Norquist and the band of devils should be exposed for what they are. Selfish, greedy corporatists.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
13. The Obama admin can play the media against each other, just propose REALLY stupid shit like kissing
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:07 AM
Dec 2012

...frogs on thrusday and wait for a stenographer to challenge the proposal...

Then ask them if they did the same with the GOP..

The media wants to seem fair, making their inability to challenge the GOP stand out will help them do so

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
75. Obama should take a cue from Reagan
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:05 PM
Dec 2012

Say what one will, but Ronnie know how to take the message straight to the people. The president needs to get on TV and lay it out for everyone.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
6. Just Like Romney, Republicans Are Nothing More Than Talking Points
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:34 AM
Dec 2012

They are happy to sit back and wait for Democrats to make all the proposals, then sit back and attack Democrats for not being bipartisan or, worse, attack Democrats for cutting programs while also attacking Democrats for not cutting spending enough. It is great that some folks in the media like Krugman are trying to hold Republicans accountable.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
9. Does this surprise you?
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:01 AM
Dec 2012

Think about this. Only ONE Party in this country really feels that the business of GOVERNING falls under their purvue, only ONE Party in this nation actually believes in the usefullness of Governing in the first place. In those terms, OF COURSE the GOP expects us to do at least some (if not ALL) of their "half" of governing, cutting deals/making compromises , etc, FOR THEM, as they have disabused themselves of the idea that they have to KNOW how to do these things for themselves. They have so bought into the idea that WE will do that work FOR them, that the GOP is simply a hollow shell of a Governing Party, and The President refusing to do their half of this work FOR them, does indeed expose that emptiness to the Public. They're not angry or upset that a deal has to be cut, or that they lost a Presidential Election, they are TERRIFIED of the idea that they DON'T KNOW how to GOVERN anymore, and we won't cover their ass anymore and that the Public will see this truth for what is really is.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
10. Republicans Will Say That President Obama's Refusal To Bid...
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:10 AM
Dec 2012

...Against himself is "a failure to lead." Of course, the corporate media will start pushing this talking point to try to pressure President Obama to make concessions without Republicans putting anything on the table.

joeunderdog

(2,563 posts)
51. The RePukes are the Party of Opposition.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:05 PM
Dec 2012

When I hear someone rail against ObamaCare, I ask what it is they don't like about it. Most can't answer.

When I ask which ReTHUG health plan they think we should go with, they can't name one. That's when I tell them that's because they don't have a plan for people to have affordable health insurance. The reason for that is because they don't want you to have it.

Same with sensible tax reform. The thugs don't want it. They just want your money. Otherwise, they'd have a plan.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
7. I hope he is right about Obama though I don't understand why he couldn't have done that
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:56 AM
Dec 2012

right out of the gate in his first term.

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
12. I don't understand that either
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:43 AM
Dec 2012

it was like he had a need to be liked and respected by republicans, like that was EVER gonnna happen....he wasted a LOT of time

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
14. He didn't think they would dump the country to get to him, he was very wrong. Should've paid closer
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:08 AM
Dec 2012

...attention to their traitorous actions

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
26. Besides ...
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:44 AM
Dec 2012

Has anyone taken the time to consider that where he is today ... the support he enjoys today ... is BECAUSE OF his conciliatory positions of his first term. Had he "held the line" in his first term, we would no doubt been in a worse position economically; but without the popular support he enjoys because the narrative would be ""See they both refuse to work together" and that narrative would have been correct.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
32. Yeah, I actually think that's a very valid point.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:01 PM
Dec 2012

And also as a black man, he can't just succeed at being president; he has to be Superman. Double standard due to race. To his credit, he doesn't complain about that either.

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
46. Agreed
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:38 PM
Dec 2012

I think many posters here don't grasp the long game the president is playing or how truly brilliant he is. If you look at his campaign, it is rich with symbolism and meaning that will be more apparent when the history books are written. He also studied history and the presidency vigorously. I think he applies those lessons daily.

If he had been anyone than who he had been during his first term, there would NOT be a second term. Now unencumbered, I think we will see the transcendent leader who we had hoped for. These early glimpses are very promising.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
66. Not to show "US" ...
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:18 PM
Dec 2012

as in, Democrats/liberals/progressives, but "THEM", as in that other 47% of the American electorate, that was saying "Both sides are doing it."

Understand now?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
77. You just don't get it ...
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:22 PM
Dec 2012

huh?

Bottomline ... President Obama understands that in this country, most of us value the idea of TRYING to work with the political opposition. Even when it appears weak ... even when a segment of that population refuses to work with you. He knows that the worst result is you appear weak, to the go faster crowd; that's what separates democracies from dictatorships. But he, also understands that the likely result is, as we are seeing ... a majority of the electorate will see the obstructionist opposition for what they are.

harun

(11,348 posts)
81. Somewhat. It is sort of a bend but don't break defense against the GOP.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:34 AM
Dec 2012

However, he is not out there selling Progressivism. He is out there apologizing for DLC'ism.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
83. And why would President Obama ...
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:54 PM
Dec 2012

be selling Progressivism? He is not, nor has he claimed to be, a "Progressive."

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
33. it's hard to believe a guy smart enough to be elected president knew less than those of us
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:11 PM
Dec 2012

sitting in our boxers at home scanning the news between looking at funny pictures of cats.

ShadesOfBlue

(40 posts)
31. its not being liked and respected by the other party...
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:59 AM
Dec 2012

it is about trying to do the right thing for the country by being fair, open to compromise and transparent and HOPING that such actions would at least generate some return of civility and cooperation. That's the act of a grownup. The country was facing a crisis worse than the 9/11 attacks and as you recall Bush got cooperation across the board from Democrats after that (for the first year or two at least). Obama never got 1/50th of that cooperation and nobody, not even you Monday morning quarterbacks on message boards, could have predicted the amount of animosity and the obstruction and the hate that would be awaiting Obama from the very first day in office. It is unprecedented in American history so excuse Obama if he didn't see that coming. I can understand being critical of him on this front after his first two years in office when he still tried to extend a hand to the other side, but I'm not buying criticism of him thinking he could do this when he was first sworn into office. Also, I think in the back of his mind he felt the press and the public would at least remember that he bent over backwards to work with the Republicans, but obviously that didn't really happen either and thus he got just as much blame. The lesson was long and painful but I don't hold it against him from trying to put the nation's needs ahead of politics when he got it.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
34. Bush got cooperation because conservative Democrats agreed with him on his worst ideas
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:12 PM
Dec 2012

and they agreed with him because they were paid by the same people to do so.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
37. nobody could have predicted the obstruction except anyone who coud remember 1992-2000
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:18 PM
Dec 2012

though they are giving Obama a different variety of grief than they gave Bill Clinton.

In Clinton's case, they humiliated him PERSONALLY but when he did his triangulating, they would vote for those conservative bills and he would sign them.

Obama went straight to triangulating, to the frustration of his progressive base, and the Republicans wouldn't play.

CaptJasHook

(1,308 posts)
18. It's not just about being President
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:56 AM
Dec 2012

There has been more pressure on President Obama then any president since FDR. And FDR had two things going for him that Obama has never had, Wealthy roots and White privilege.

I don't think any of us Caucasian Progressives can truly appreciate the historic peril Obama's first term as president has been subjected to. I am sure that to Michelle and Barack, failure as the first Black President is not an option, risk-taking is not an option. Playing into the Stereotypes has not been an option.

This man has been the epitome of Gentile, Diplomatic, Familial and Presidential. In the face of horrendous historical pressure and the constant abuse of a large, influential body of bigoted Americans, he has stood tall and made them look like the idiots that they are. He has forged a new path for minorities in this country and done so with dignity.

I think he deserves our patience, our gratitude and our trust.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
27. Ding ... Ding ... Ding ...
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:48 AM
Dec 2012

I'm so glad a "Caucasian Progressive" is willing to say that out-loud ... I know how difficult it must be for many Caucasian Progressives to verbalize.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
28. You put it perfectly.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:55 AM
Dec 2012

As a white progressive, I still marvel at how much crap President Obama has had to put up with.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
40. And ...
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:49 PM
Dec 2012

we would have seen "a less than one term and done", for President Obama, personally and a "never again" for African-Americans (and probably women), collectively.

Us Democrats/Liberals/Progressives really do need to get over this need to APPEAR as the baddest boy on the block/form over substance thing ... as in most situations, it gets you nowhere, but in a fight.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
71. You are right
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:46 PM
Dec 2012

and it is that important that he is who he is at this particular time in history. Can you imagine how far back we would be set if he had played it different. I belive he has actually allowed all the right-wing hatefullness come to full fruit in the eyes of society by being his particulary upstanding self.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
73. President Obama is ...
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:59 PM
Dec 2012

the Jackie Robinson of the U.S. Presidency, not only because he's the first; but because he has the temperment to put up with the B.S. that'll ensure he won't be the last.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
79. form sells the substance and not being Samuel L Jackson feeds the right wing stereotype
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 04:12 AM
Dec 2012

of lefties as being weak.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
80. I strongly disagree ...
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:03 AM
Dec 2012

form sells form; substance gets things done.

Who cares about rightwing stereotypes of the left, other than those on the left, desperate to project an image that ultimately gets in our own way.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
84. if that was true, we wouldn't have had the last 30+ years of Reaganomics
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:35 PM
Dec 2012

The crucial mistake those on the left made was they thought it was enough to have the facts on their side and policies that worked.

Since Republicans had a hatful of shit, they were obliged to work on form until they made it a chocolate cake and made our cake the hatful of shit.

If form didn't matter, businesses wouldn't spend billions on ads and marketing, even when they have excellent products.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
86. given your screenname, you must agree with me on some level
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:21 PM
Dec 2012

even if you are thinking Sidney Poitier in IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT rather than Samuel L Jackson in anything.

Otherwise, you'd be "1AccommodatingBlackMan."

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
87. Actually ...
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:06 PM
Dec 2012

I would love to see President Obama get gully; but I recognize that, if President Obama were to go SLJ ... America, including many "Liberals" would foreclose on any chance of there being a second African-American President.

Just as, if Jackie Robinson had reacted (as I'm certain he wanted to) to the crap he faced, there wouldn't have been another African-American Baseball Player for another generation. It is the bane of being the first.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
88. It would be a greater risk but could have the opposite result: we would ONLY have black presidents
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:18 PM
Dec 2012

after him. People would think, "Oh my GOD! Why did we settle for white guys for so long?!"

Sort of like all the sports that were considered the exclusive domain of whites until some break-out black athlete like Tiger Woods or Venus and Serena Williams. (I hope the next time we see it is with horse dancing, just to mess with rich people).

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
90. think about all the racists who watch pro sports, watch black comics and listen to rap
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:31 PM
Dec 2012

or at least R & B.

If you hit them at just the right angle...what was once unthinkable would suddenly become indispensable.


coeur_de_lion

(3,684 posts)
38. Well said, well done
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:21 PM
Dec 2012

This president is under more pressure than any of his (caucasian) constituents can understand.

Lucky for us he performs remarkably well under that kind of pressure.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
41. Some of us have brought the issue of race
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:57 PM
Dec 2012

In the past only to be derided. But it can't be minimized. Thanks Bill (O'Reilly). His comments on election night finally cristaluzed that for many people.

BumRushDaShow

(129,491 posts)
47. Rec to this post
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:01 PM
Dec 2012

The entire Obama family, under an electron microscope of scrutiny and illuminated by the harsh spotlight of hundreds of years of this nation's vile history, have stoically and elegantly walked a perilous tight rope through the field of land minds planted throughout their first term. No others have had the burden that they have had.

If anything, the insanity of racism and the lengths that some would go to reinforce a superiority complex inflicted on others, has been laid bare to the nation and world.

I do applaud the approx. 40% of whites who did vote for our current President (including DUers) as often, they get lumped in with the lunatic fringe in discussions of racism.

BootinUp

(47,188 posts)
20. Thats like saying
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:30 AM
Dec 2012

you don't understand why sometimes people wear raincoats and other times short sleeves.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
15. When Republicons win it's "suck on it losers - elections have consequences"
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:59 AM
Dec 2012

When Democrats win it's "Boo hoo - where is the spirit of bipartisanship"



republicons are fucked and nothing the so called "centrists" like Cokie Roberts or David Gergen says is going to save them.

 

Vietnameravet

(1,085 posts)
16. Ought to be read by everyone in America
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:38 AM
Dec 2012

I am so damn sick of Republican posturing and obstructing..when will the entire country see them for what they are,,a nasty bunch of con artists and liars with flags..supported by Fox News, talk radio and a handful of multi billionaires who are appealing to the ignorant and the racist..

Eddie Haskell

(1,628 posts)
19. Come on people ... Isn't the cliff what both sides agreed to, and the Supercommittee recommended?
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:06 AM
Dec 2012

Neither side has to do anything to get what they wanted and neither side gets blamed. It's the Supercommittee's fault ... and either way, we're getting fucked.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
55. I've always loved those characters!
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:35 PM
Dec 2012

BTW, Wile E Coyote has been given some lines of dialogue in more recent cartoons.

Right now, I can't help thinking that:

  • Wile E. Coyote = Speaker Boehner
  • The Road Runner = Pres. Obama.

Boehner seems to have Wile E's penchant for running off cliffs and not noticing that he's standing on nothing but thin air!

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
25. Put up, Repubbies, or for the love of God just STFU
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:15 AM
Dec 2012

Americans are so sick of Republican complaining, whining, and negativity, feeble-minded FAIL, and weasel words.

Put up or STFU, Repubbies.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
29. I disagree with Krugman's point toward the end,
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:58 AM
Dec 2012

about his claim that any agenda to balance the budget would involve cuts to popular programs - at least if by that he means, social security or medicare.

The defense budget could be cut, and you'd balance the budget easily over any given time period. Unless Krugman is implying that defense spending is a popular government program - which, I guess it is, in terms of creating jobs.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
50. Agree 100%
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:05 PM
Dec 2012

And you could cut the defense budget without affecting capability and you could do that a number of ways.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
56. Yes, lots of fat could be trimmed; LOTS.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:44 PM
Dec 2012

That's probably why Republicans are so tight-lipped - defense spending is where they all make their money.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
30. re:Krugman: Fiscal cliff 'has finally laid bare the con ... of the G.O.P.'s political strategy'
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:58 AM
Dec 2012

the ( rs) are at it again. blame this one on obama . i say go over the fiscal cliff . let it fail. and then let the rs pick their mess up that the rs have created .

Martin Eden

(12,875 posts)
36. Republicans WANT DEFICITS, Republicans NEED DEFICITS
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:15 PM
Dec 2012

DEFICITS are absolutely necessary to STARVE THE BEAST and "shrink government" to a size that can be drowned in a bathtub.

The inescapable political reality is that the American people like the Social Security & Medicare programs, and they want to keep them

And the plain fact of the matter is that these programs (along with much of the social safety net) will never be eliminated or severely curtailed as long as there are government funds to keep those programs going.

This should be obvious to anyone who really knows how to pay attention:
DEFICITS are absolutely essential to the Republican agenda.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
43. The Republican gang bullied America out of it's lunch money, with the help of Bush's fake wars.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:22 PM
Dec 2012

We were so nice that we let them do it. We had fake commissions, and bipartisanship.

Boy I sure want to say something about assassinations in the 60's, but that's another subject, I guess.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
45. Fake wars?
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:32 PM
Dec 2012

I see your point but to our Vets and active duty personnel, it's not fake.

Could we use illegal instead?

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
52. Isn't GOP inaction equivalent to "raising taxes"??
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:12 PM
Dec 2012

Calling Grover Norquist: off with their heads!!!!!

patrice

(47,992 posts)
54. Even ***IF*** there was something to work on with them, YOU CAN'T TRUST THEM, because they
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:32 PM
Dec 2012

are either ignorant or dishonest about what's going on with themselves and those around them, puts ANY effort at risk of being undercut, BETRAYED (sound familiar, all?) by "others" while the "good" Republicans that you might try to work with claim Plausible Deniability in regards to where our mutual failures might come from.

BULLSHIT!

Cut them loose, we can do this without them.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
61. I wish Joe Biden would get on the stump
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:17 PM
Dec 2012

and yell out that the emperor has no clothes, and that the GOP position is malarkey!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
62. Thank you , Mr. Krugman
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:25 PM
Dec 2012
K&R

and Mr Newsjock. Dirty rotten cons, that's what they are. Dirty rotten cons.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
65. It's going to be a long 4 years for some
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:04 PM
Dec 2012

Even longer if they don't spend some time rethinking their ideology.

 

elbloggoZY27

(283 posts)
67. Fiscal Cliff BS
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:43 PM
Dec 2012

The GOP has targeted the President since he was elected four years ago and has continued since his reelection in November 2012.

To this citizen and Veteran they disgust me beyond words and have no clue to Constitutional Law. They are in fact as law makers just a joke and the whole lot should be thrown out of Washington.

Their only job is to embarrass the President and that is about it.

harun

(11,348 posts)
82. +1, there constituents continue to reward these bozo's with relelection when
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:36 AM
Dec 2012

their only policy position is more war, less taxes, smaller gov't. Even when they don't define what any of those mean. They just say that and get reelected.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
76. Get the Secretary of Explaining Shit out there too.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:11 PM
Dec 2012

Take to the airwaves and the internet. Keep up the pressure from everywhere and get Big Dog out there as often as possible. People love him and he's just really good at getting the points across.

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