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littlemissmartypants

(22,695 posts)
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:53 PM Dec 2012

Are Earthquakes and Fracking Wastewater Injection Wells Related?

Two new papers tie a recent increase in significant earthquakes to reinjection of wastewater fluids from unconventional oil and gas drilling. The first study notes “significant earthquakes are increasingly occurring within the United States midcontinent.” In the specific case of Oklahoma, a Magnitude “5.7 earthquake and a prolific sequence of related events … were likely triggered by fluid injection.”
The second study, of the Raton Basin of Southern Colorado/Northern New Mexico by a U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) team, concludes “the majority, if not all of the earthquakes since August 2001 have been triggered by the deep injection of wastewater related to the production of natural gas from the coal-bed methane field here.”

http://ecowatch.org/2012/earthquakes-fracking-wells/




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Are Earthquakes and Fracking Wastewater Injection Wells Related? (Original Post) littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 OP
They were frackingin Guy Arkansas and they were having dozens of BlueToTheBone Dec 2012 #1
Yep. n/t littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #2
Yes, I am convinced that they are... NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #3
Yes. ananda Dec 2012 #4
Both earthquakes and sinkholes. teddyhcraig Dec 2012 #5
Short answer....yep AnOhioan Dec 2012 #6
yes putitinD Dec 2012 #7
Probably not. The first hydraulic fracturing was done in Illinois 60 years ago and they've had zero pop topcan Dec 2012 #8
Guess again... littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #9
Except for a couple of those, they all occured LONG before any fracking was done. pop topcan Dec 2012 #10
References? n/t littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #11
Don't hold your breath… Champion Jack Dec 2012 #16
So the American Geophysical Union meeting entertains "hysteria and crappy pseudoscience?" caraher Dec 2012 #13
You are confusing the issue. First of all the fracking you are talking about from 60 years ago is Agony Dec 2012 #14
Bingo! Champion Jack Dec 2012 #15
Let's rewind...Why did you say "zero" earthquakes? Welcome_hubby Dec 2012 #17
That was the finding in the Ohio earthquakes recently. femmocrat Dec 2012 #12

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
1. They were frackingin Guy Arkansas and they were having dozens of
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:56 PM
Dec 2012

earthquakes a day. They made them stop and now...no earthquakes.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
3. Yes, I am convinced that they are...
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:04 PM
Dec 2012

...And I spend a lot of time with people in the energy industry, though none who are engaged in fracking.

Fracking, Shale Oil, Oil Sands, and Deep Water Ocean extraction will be the death of this planet.

 

pop topcan

(124 posts)
8. Probably not. The first hydraulic fracturing was done in Illinois 60 years ago and they've had zero
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:34 PM
Dec 2012

earthquakes (which suggests the question, what is the big whoop about a few 2.3 earthquakes that don't even break any dishes in the cupboard?)

I really think the 'science' that purports to condemn the technology is on par with the creationist claims that the Grand Canyon was formed 6000 years ago in the "great flood".

 

pop topcan

(124 posts)
10. Except for a couple of those, they all occured LONG before any fracking was done.
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:51 PM
Dec 2012

Do you want to blame the New Madrid quakes on it too? I accept the facts on global warming/climate change because there's scientific evidence for it. There is nothing but hysteria and crappy pseudoscience to bolster the claims of significant problems much less damage from subsurface fracturing.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
13. So the American Geophysical Union meeting entertains "hysteria and crappy pseudoscience?"
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:46 PM
Dec 2012

Did you actually read the link in the OP? What research can you point to that says specifically what is "pseudoscience" in the work of the US Geological Survey? What specifically is flawed about their studies?

You've so far offered your opinion that we shouldn't care about small magnitude quakes and the incorrect claim that Illinois has had no quakes since the date you tell us they first used hydraulic fracturing in that state. That's not enough to overcome the presumption most fair-minded readers will have that invited papers at big scientific meetings are generally backed more by data than by "crappy pseudoscience."

Note that it's entirely possible (likely, even) that antifracking activists might exaggerate the implications of this research. But you are impugning the research itself here, and I see no warrant for that. The potential for some group to misuse a scientific research result is no indictment of the science itself.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
14. You are confusing the issue. First of all the fracking you are talking about from 60 years ago is
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:54 PM
Dec 2012

nothing like what we are talking about today. Your low volume fracking of vertical wells does not present the same problems that the High Volume Slick Water Horizontal Hydraulic Fracking being used for unconventional gas development today present. Completely different issues, 5 million gallons of frack fluid per well vs 100's of thousands for example.

The earthquakes under discussion are being caused by toxic shit flowback wastewater injection wells NOT hydraulic fracking used for well development. Your comparison with creationism is just bullshit.

Cheers!

 

Welcome_hubby

(312 posts)
17. Let's rewind...Why did you say "zero" earthquakes?
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:35 PM
Dec 2012

Let's try not to disappear the part where you made up the falsehood that zero earthquakes had occurred in Illinois since 1952. Why did you say zero? Was it lack of desire to do research?

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
12. That was the finding in the Ohio earthquakes recently.
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:11 PM
Dec 2012

There are lots of links on Google. Here is just one from today, actually:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/ohio-fracking-earthquakes-cause-determined_n_1334808.html

"COLUMBUS, Ohio — A dozen earthquakes in northeastern Ohio were almost certainly induced by injection of gas-drilling wastewater into the earth, state regulators said Friday as they announced a series of tough new rules for drillers." More at above link.

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