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Whole Foods Hidden Camera GMO Sting Video banned by YouTube (Original Post) graywarrior Dec 2012 OP
A sort of greenwashing: renewables and the environment are the new "plastics" (the Graduate) NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #1
Thanks, I'm communication challenged. graywarrior Dec 2012 #2
I believe the claims. But I can see why it was banned. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #3
You Tube censors vids not proven to be authentically factual? upi402 Dec 2012 #6
So you are ok with youtube figuring out who should or shouldnt be posted instead of letting the rhett o rick Dec 2012 #11
Yes. AlexSatan Dec 2012 #22
Ah yes. Bow down to the corporate gods. Youtube is a corporation at "We THe Peoples" pleasure. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #23
Fine, since you don't like them making the rules for the site AlexSatan Dec 2012 #24
The classic corporatist argument. If you dont like what the oil companies are doing to you, start rhett o rick Dec 2012 #25
Just to clarify AlexSatan Dec 2012 #26
Seems I've gotten myself out on a limb and sawing on the wrong side of myself. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #27
Holy crap! Is there a icon I get or something AlexSatan Dec 2012 #29
Yeah yeah, just watch out next time. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #30
Yeah, well get to crackin' on all them free zero point energy machine videos then. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #13
the Reptilians are HERE!!! i saw it on youtube - it's TRUE! piratefish08 Dec 2012 #16
"We been here a long time feasting on GMOs, our preferred tucker." - Rep Tillian (R) Berlum Dec 2012 #18
It's getting REAL in the Whole Foods parking lot. /nt downandoutnow Dec 2012 #4
Can't say I'm surprised Ya Basta Dec 2012 #5
I would assume Trader Joe's has just as many GMO-based foods as ... frazzled Dec 2012 #10
Why would you make that assumption? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #12
Whole Foods is overpriced nonsense RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #7
We call it Whole Paycheck. Coyotl Dec 2012 #9
Ok. Agschmid Dec 2012 #8
they *should* be better than walmart on wages etc since they cater to a way more upscale HiPointDem Dec 2012 #14
I've never understood why anyone shops there. They've always been thieving scumbags whose Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #15
Why? Clean food. Berlum Dec 2012 #19
They don't have clean food, never have. They've been busted and busted and busted again Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #20
Not true. Berlum Dec 2012 #21
Whole Foods whimped out on the label GMO issue as well Berlum Dec 2012 #17
. Go Vols Dec 2012 #28
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. A sort of greenwashing: renewables and the environment are the new "plastics" (the Graduate)
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:45 PM
Dec 2012

For the video impaired:


[Share this Video]
This is the now-famous video that was censored by YouTube. It shows Whole Foods employees LYING about the GMOs being sold by the store.

Fact: Whole Foods is a massive retailer for Monsanto's GM corn, which is found in all sorts of products on the shelves at Whole Foods. This is the same strain of genetically engineered corn that French researchers recently linked to massive cancer tumors in rats.

As of this writing, Whole Foods has offered ZERO support for Proposition 37 and has made NO effort to require GMO labeling for the products it sells.


K/R, graywarrior!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
3. I believe the claims. But I can see why it was banned.
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:55 PM
Dec 2012

None of the allegations are supported by any facts. For example, the speaker says that 30% of Whole Foods products contain GMOs. But then the video doesn't cite any authority for that statement.

I don't think much of Whole Foods, so I wouldn't be surprised if this were true.

But think about it: if you owned a "Martha's Deli" in Los Angeles, and someone posted a video on Youtube saying that 10% of the pork sausage that Martha's Deli's sells is actually cut with fatty burger beef, and that soup advertised as MSG free actually contains MSG, wouldn't you expect Youtube to at least require such harmful allegations to be backed by references? It would open the doors for anyone with a beef (pardon the pun) against a business to post a damaging video full of lies.

So I think it's a good thing that there are some rules to the videos being posted. A lot of damage can be done.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
6. You Tube censors vids not proven to be authentically factual?
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:16 AM
Dec 2012

I'm no lawyer... but it's a crazy free-for-all there and that's why it's popular.

Even Wikipedia isn't 100% factual. It's crazy ass You Tube, not the NY Times. That hey banned this is troubling.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
11. So you are ok with youtube figuring out who should or shouldnt be posted instead of letting the
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:05 AM
Dec 2012

court system settle it via liable suits? Really? REALLY?

 

AlexSatan

(535 posts)
22. Yes.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:28 PM
Dec 2012

If WF notified them it was libelous (and there is a reasonable chance it is) and youtube left it up, they could be liable.

Youtube owns youtube. They get to decide what is posted there and what isn't.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
23. Ah yes. Bow down to the corporate gods. Youtube is a corporation at "We THe Peoples" pleasure.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:23 PM
Dec 2012

We allow corporations to be formed for the betterment of our society. We rule they dont.

Corporatism is the bane of democracy.

 

AlexSatan

(535 posts)
24. Fine, since you don't like them making the rules for the site
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:26 PM
Dec 2012

the provide to people for FREE, please provide the url to your video hosting site. We will start using that one instead.

Do you honestly not understand the difference between having the freedom of speech versus letting someone use your stuff to get their message out?

You do realize that people don't HAVE to use youtube, right?

Ever lent your car to someone? Did you expect them to treat it responsibly and not do a bunch of damage with it (causing your insurance rates to go up)? Or did you just say "Dude, do whatever you want"?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
25. The classic corporatist argument. If you dont like what the oil companies are doing to you, start
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:42 PM
Dec 2012

your own. If you dont like what NBC broadcasts, start your own network.

I believe that corporation exist at the pleasure of "WE The People." Apparently you disagree.

Citizen's United Uber Alles.

 

AlexSatan

(535 posts)
26. Just to clarify
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:54 PM
Dec 2012

So you believe that, since youtube lets some people post things there, they have to let everyone post anything they want? Even if it subjects them to criminal or civil penalties?

And if not, you would rather see them totally gone.

Do I have that right?

Does that apply to Dem Underground as well? Should DU have to allow people to post real names/addresses, etc, and not hide any posts?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
27. Seems I've gotten myself out on a limb and sawing on the wrong side of myself.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:00 PM
Dec 2012

You have a point and I will concede. I guess I let my anti-corporatism chip on my shoulder get the best of me.

 

AlexSatan

(535 posts)
29. Holy crap! Is there a icon I get or something
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:23 PM
Dec 2012

for actually winning an argument. This is certainly the first time its happened here on DU (for me) and probably my entire time on the Intertubes!

Seriously, though, kudos to you. It takes a big person to actually admit the other person has a good point. Most either futilely hang onto their losing argument or never respond.

Nice having the discussion with you.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
30. Yeah yeah, just watch out next time.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:50 PM
Dec 2012

Seriously, from a quote I read somewhere:
"I get comfort from those that agree with me and growth from those that dont."

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
10. I would assume Trader Joe's has just as many GMO-based foods as ...
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:03 AM
Dec 2012

Whole Foods carries. There's some real crap there, too.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
8. Ok.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:33 AM
Dec 2012

I don't feel that this is false advertising.

Whole Foods along with Trader Joe's are by far much better than say Walmart/Target/and even my good old Wegmans when it comes to sourcing, employee benefits/wages, etc.

I also feel it's unfair to really label the employees propagating the lies (all the employees mentioned that they did carry GMO's) do you know how many SKU's are in that store? These people are coming in with direct questions about certain products and it's not really fair to ambush like that.

You are what you eat, read the label. If you can't pronounce it it's probably something you need not ingest (not in all cases).

On Edit: Thank-you for posting this video it was nice to watch. And on second edit some employees did not know/or were wrong... but some really tried and it's still ambushy.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
14. they *should* be better than walmart on wages etc since they cater to a way more upscale
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:21 AM
Dec 2012

demographic.

but let's face it; they're not *that* much better.

i'd guess they have higher profit margins, actually, despite their better wages/benefits.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
15. I've never understood why anyone shops there. They've always been thieving scumbags whose
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:28 AM
Dec 2012

whole appeal is if you're dumb enough to grossly overpay for groceries, that makes you cool.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
20. They don't have clean food, never have. They've been busted and busted and busted again
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 07:31 AM
Dec 2012

for years. They do pick the nicer looking produce, but they sell same crap you can buy around the corner for half the price. One thing I did notice in LA was that I was frequently hit on there, so maybe it was the next thing for people to hook up.

But the food? Feh.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
21. Not true.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:06 AM
Dec 2012

Their food is far cleaner than the average run-of-the-mill market. It's not all clean, but a much higher percentage than at your local purveyor of HFCS + GMO foodlike substances.

But, de gustibus...as they say...suit yourself.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
17. Whole Foods whimped out on the label GMO issue as well
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:49 AM
Dec 2012

They have allowed themselves to be corrupted by the love of money.

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