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erpowers

(9,350 posts)
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:39 PM Dec 2012

Florida's Python Challenge

In an effort to either reduce or eliminate the state's Burmese Python population the Florida Department of Wildlife and Fisheries has created a Python Challenge. The website for the challenge says that the purpose of the challenge is to make the public aware of the danger the Burmese Python can cause to the Everglades ecosystem.

In this challenge people who register and pay a $25 fee will be allowed to kill seemingly as many pythons as they like. The person who kills the most Pythons will win $1,500. The person who kills the longest Python will win $1,000.

So, what is the opinion of DU members?

http://pythonchallenge.org/

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Florida's Python Challenge (Original Post) erpowers Dec 2012 OP
it's macabre, but idiots releasing those snakes into the wild are fucking up the ecosystem there... dionysus Dec 2012 #1
According the people at the Naples Zoo, that's urban folklore. Cary Dec 2012 #11
be that as it may, it's still an invasive species that shouldn't be there. dionysus Dec 2012 #14
I understand and appreciate that Cary Dec 2012 #17
How do you ethically eradicate an entire species? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #27
Good question. Cary Dec 2012 #29
Beyond killing them quickly hack89 Dec 2012 #30
This isn't eradicating a species. It's readicating members of a species that are misplaced into an flamin lib Dec 2012 #37
The snakes don't know that they were misplaced. n/t Cary Dec 2012 #38
I know, right? Laffy Kat Dec 2012 #53
That story was also on one of the reality shows that dealt with FL animal control officers. n/t woodsprite Dec 2012 #23
What does ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #2
I Was Thinking The Same Thing... Dread Pirate Roberts Dec 2012 #8
Is it wrong to hope Laxman Dec 2012 #12
LOL wryter2000 Dec 2012 #35
i'm okay with it barbtries Dec 2012 #3
It seems to me that this is an effort to exploit cheap labor... Earth_First Dec 2012 #4
Would you rather have an excise tax on bird feed and pet food to raise revenue HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #20
+1 wickerwoman Dec 2012 #43
Sad, but it's an invasive species montanto Dec 2012 #5
Sometimes animals need to be killed. And think of all the cool boots that will be made. slackmaster Dec 2012 #6
Not funny. I like snakes. I used to have boa constrictors as pets. n/t RebelOne Dec 2012 #34
I lived for two years in a house with two large Burmese pythons. They were cool to have around. slackmaster Dec 2012 #39
They're becoming a real problem Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #7
It is a species which doesn't belong in the ecosystem Yo_Mama Dec 2012 #9
Anyone who objects to dealing with this destructive invasive species MineralMan Dec 2012 #10
I am tired PD Turk Dec 2012 #22
DUzy!!! longship Dec 2012 #24
Thanks PD Turk Dec 2012 #31
Wouldn't bother me. I like snakes. RebelOne Dec 2012 #36
Florida needs to create a gene-altered mosquito that attack and kills pythons Brother Buzz Dec 2012 #13
This is past necessary! Rocky888 Dec 2012 #15
Taste like chicken...!! nt Bigmack Dec 2012 #16
Unfortunately, they are a little high in mercury. FarCenter Dec 2012 #19
Wow... are you ever right... Bigmack Dec 2012 #50
These snakes could devastate the Everglades DirkGently Dec 2012 #18
Rather than just killing them Retrograde Dec 2012 #21
I hope no British comedy stars get caught up in this... Archae Dec 2012 #25
I have zero problem with dealing w/an invasive species, War Horse Dec 2012 #26
This a pure time and manpower issue hack89 Dec 2012 #28
This makes me so sad wryter2000 Dec 2012 #32
I am all for this. This is an invasive species that is destroying the native wildlife. okwmember Dec 2012 #33
Better idea, drop the fee and pay a $100 bounty on every python brought in dead. MadHound Dec 2012 #40
Florida also has a problem with feral hogs. ... spin Dec 2012 #41
Invasive species. I'm for it. distantearlywarning Dec 2012 #42
I have such a phobia towards snakes, I have no problem with the idea. arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #44
The snakes don't belong in the Glades or Florida. I am ok with the bounties. nt bluestate10 Dec 2012 #45
Ok with me. They are gobbling up wildlife. I figured the Gov would call out the Natl Guard. nt raccoon Dec 2012 #46
Can they be trained to eat nutria? hedgehog Dec 2012 #47
LOL LeftInTX Dec 2012 #52
I think it has to be done Marrah_G Dec 2012 #48
Yes please quaker bill Dec 2012 #49
The damned things are loaded with mercury.... Bigmack Dec 2012 #51

Cary

(11,746 posts)
11. According the people at the Naples Zoo, that's urban folklore.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:57 PM
Dec 2012

I have been there several times now. They have a nice snake show every day. According the handlers Hurricane Andrew destroyed an exotic snake warehouse in the Everglades in 1992 and there have been DNA studies that have linked the pythons to the ones in the warehouse.

I don't know if that's true, but I've heard the personnel at the Naples Zoo say that. Several handlers, over about a 4 year period, have told that story. And they also say that the problem is grossly overstated.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
17. I understand and appreciate that
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:21 PM
Dec 2012

I'm still not 100% convinced of the ethics of hunting them down like that.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
30. Beyond killing them quickly
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:14 PM
Dec 2012

I am not sure there is much more that could be done if you want to kill a huge number of snakes in a relatively short period. Florida recommends a shot to the head or decapitation.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
37. This isn't eradicating a species. It's readicating members of a species that are misplaced into an
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:36 PM
Dec 2012

ecosystem where they do not belong. To kick the question back at ya', How is it not ethical to eradicate a foreign species that is devastating indigenous species?

Regardless of how they got here they don't belong here and are a real danger the existence of native species.

Laffy Kat

(16,383 posts)
53. I know, right?
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:01 PM
Dec 2012

I'm a total softy and this bothers me to no end. Sure do wish there was an alternative.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. What does ...
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:42 PM
Dec 2012

the python that kills the most humans get?

What about the human that kills the most humans while trying to kill the most pythons?

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
3. i'm okay with it
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:44 PM
Dec 2012

though i wouldn't be taking part, i think they pose a real threat to the ecosystem. at least that's my understanding, correct me if i'm wrong.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
4. It seems to me that this is an effort to exploit cheap labor...
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:46 PM
Dec 2012

Rather than hire extra fish game and wildlife employees to deal with exotic pet enforcement and population control/eradication; they are using this as a method of cheap labor by knowingly targeting a demographic which will likely eat this up as 'sport' the entire way...

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
20. Would you rather have an excise tax on bird feed and pet food to raise revenue
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:30 PM
Dec 2012

to pay for the FW employees to protect native birds, pets, and miscellaneous nongame wildlife from these things?

I know that jobs are needed, and I'm sympathetic. But I also have no problem with using volunteer labor for conservation projects. Getting volunteers into nature on these projects creates awareness and a sense of being a necessary part of natural lands stewardship.

As a matter of full disclosure, I've worn out a couple Sandvik safety axes as a volunteer controlling wood weeds on prairie restorations and wetland protection.





wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
43. +1
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:08 PM
Dec 2012

Also is it a great idea to send every untrained Tom, Dick and Harry into the swamp chasing after dangerous snakes?

montanto

(2,966 posts)
5. Sad, but it's an invasive species
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:48 PM
Dec 2012

in an ecosystem where it can really thrive and damage the native species. Better to kill them off.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
39. I lived for two years in a house with two large Burmese pythons. They were cool to have around.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:50 PM
Dec 2012

Rampaging in the wilderness and displacing native species, they're not so cool.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
9. It is a species which doesn't belong in the ecosystem
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:54 PM
Dec 2012

And is spreading rapidly. No matter who does it, the only way to curb the spread is to kill the snakes. The snakes are killing off the natural fauna.

They've tried pretty much everything already, except paying a fixed fee for each snake turned in, which is where they'll end up.

Also, they are trying to make a splash with this program to get the public to be more aware about the problem so that more snakes aren't released into the wild.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
10. Anyone who objects to dealing with this destructive invasive species
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:54 PM
Dec 2012

should have one of the pythons released in their house. That oughta do it.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
36. Wouldn't bother me. I like snakes.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:28 PM
Dec 2012

I had two pet boa constrictors loose in my house. I could never find them. They only came out when they were hungry.

Rocky888

(297 posts)
15. This is past necessary!
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:10 PM
Dec 2012

I am 6th generation Floridian. I have have camped in the Glades most of my youth. The idiots that brought these snakes into this country/state to sell o ompletely uneducated idiots should be held accountable for the distruction of the florida Eco wildlife system. Every bill that a democrat drafted, never made it to the floor, til recently, and it was shot down by the rethugs. It would hurt business bullshit. The exotic animal business backed by Alec ......... This hunt s the best news I have heard here in florida, since election.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
50. Wow... are you ever right...
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 07:54 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.livescience.com/8528-mercury-invasive-pythons-menu.html

I'm going to post this as reply to the whole thread, too.

I've eaten snake, but not those monsters.

What the hell are they gonna do with the damned things?

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
18. These snakes could devastate the Everglades
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:22 PM
Dec 2012

It may be inevitable, with climate change and so forth, but I can't fault an attempt to protect gators, birds, and other native species getting gobbled up by giant pet-store escapees and their offspring.

We screwed it up so we should try to fix it. I just read where they're dropping giant packages of blue rat poison on the Galapagos, because rats are wiping out 100% of turtle eggs or some such.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
21. Rather than just killing them
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:30 PM
Dec 2012

Why not have a Python cook-off? Award prizes for the best recipes using python (they probably taste like chicken), maybe with categories like "Best Python Chili" or "Best Python Barbecue". Or a python fashion show, with workshops on making python vests of belts.

The highlight of the events will be a public shaming of the stupid idiots who thought it was a good idea to first buy an exotic species and then release it into the wild.

War Horse

(931 posts)
26. I have zero problem with dealing w/an invasive species,
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:53 PM
Dec 2012

but such a contest by The Department of Wildlife and Fisheries sounds like an admittance of failure to me.

I'm torn on this. Sure, get the locals to take care of business if need be, but stuff like this can get out of hand easily.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
28. This a pure time and manpower issue
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:56 PM
Dec 2012

they have to kill them faster than they can breed. You really think the Department of Wildlife and Fisheries has that kind of man power?

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
32. This makes me so sad
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:24 PM
Dec 2012

It's necessary. All those beautiful snakes destroyed because stoopid humans had pets they couldn't take care of and released them.

So many idiots get reptiles without thinking about their care.

okwmember

(345 posts)
33. I am all for this. This is an invasive species that is destroying the native wildlife.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:25 PM
Dec 2012

There is no other option but to kill as many as possible. Given the number of eggs being laid, I'm just afraid its too little too late.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
40. Better idea, drop the fee and pay a $100 bounty on every python brought in dead.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:53 PM
Dec 2012

Open it up to anybody, even if they are from out of state. I guarantee that Florida's python problem would disappear in five years.

spin

(17,493 posts)
41. Florida also has a problem with feral hogs. ...
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:41 PM
Dec 2012

They do a lot of damage to the environment as they are also an invasive species.

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
42. Invasive species. I'm for it.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:04 PM
Dec 2012

The Everglades is a delicate eco-system.

I also read recently that they have caught a few Nile Crocodiles outside Miami in the last year!

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
48. I think it has to be done
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 07:12 PM
Dec 2012

I'm not sure if they will ever be able to stop the invasion of this species. We humans are pretty good at fucking things up royally

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
49. Yes please
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 07:17 PM
Dec 2012

As a wetlands ecologist who works in FL, the fewer 20'+ snakes I run into the better. The native 8'+ snakes are good enough for me.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
51. The damned things are loaded with mercury....
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:00 PM
Dec 2012

Above I posted that they taste like chicken. I've eaten snake on occasion.

FarCenter answered that they are high in mercury.

Was he ever right!

http://www.livescience.com/8528-mercury-invasive-pythons-menu.html

"...highest mercury levels of any animal in the park —up to 3.5 parts per million. By comparison, the state of Florida considers fish containing more than 1.5 parts per million of mercury unsafe to eat.."

That's gonna complicate the control of those things. Lots of hunters might go out if there's the possibility of a whole lot of edible meat, but if you can't even eat them.....

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