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Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:17 PM Jan 2012

Rachel may have just broken the law on the air

ARGH!



I went to Culinary School in New York and, as part of the program, was (20 years ago) a certified food handler in that state.


At that time it was illegal to serve raw eggs such as the one in Rachel's drink.

It maybe that the health code has changed since that time or that because she consumed it herself, and did not serve it to another, the law may not apply.



As a side note, if she had added the egg yolk and the lemon juice first the acid would have helped kill any salmonella that might have been in the egg white. This does not have any bearing on the possible violation in the health code but it would have been a little safer for her to consume if prepared that way.

Also, I think it is/was a crazy law made by people who didn't really understand what it was they were legislating.

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Rachel may have just broken the law on the air (Original Post) Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 OP
She didn't sell it, or serve it to anyone else. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2012 #1
If it were, the Cookie Dough Police would rake in a fortune. gkhouston Jan 2012 #5
They're even wose than the Phone Cops! pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #17
I don't remember seeing pasteurized eggs in the grocery 20 years ago. gkhouston Jan 2012 #2
"law made by people who didn't really understand what it was they were legislating" Thaddeus Kosciuszko Jan 2012 #3
No she didn't. bluedigger Jan 2012 #4
Bzzzt! No commerce, but thanks for playing. jberryhill Jan 2012 #6
nm looks like everyone else made my points Tunkamerica Jan 2012 #7
Don't worry; she didn't. Brickbat Jan 2012 #8
seriously? wtf? mulsh Jan 2012 #9
They do sell pasteurized in-shell eggs BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #10
Yes, I tried them gvstn Jan 2012 #19
My husband was talking over the radio when she was mixing it up cilla4progress Jan 2012 #11
Did Sylvester Stallone break the law in Rocky when he drank raw eggs? Generic Brad Jan 2012 #12
She didn't use the yolk. She was using the egg whites. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #13
You have about a 1 in 20,000 chance (0.005%) of finding an egg with salmonella Major Nikon Jan 2012 #14
I'll alert the media. stevedeshazer Jan 2012 #15
Orange Julius just wasn't the same after they stopped putting raw eggs in them. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #16
I thought it was just the yolk that was unhealthy JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #18
She said they serve it at a bar there EC Jan 2012 #20
We used to have Orange Julius with a raw egg... Historic NY Jan 2012 #21
LOL at your footnote! pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #22

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
2. I don't remember seeing pasteurized eggs in the grocery 20 years ago.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:21 PM
Jan 2012

I do see them in some stores now, although they're still not common. If I wanted to make a dish containing raw eggs, that's what I'd use.

on edit: And if I wanted only egg whites (or half an egg white), I'd consider using meringue powder.

 
3. "law made by people who didn't really understand what it was they were legislating"
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:22 PM
Jan 2012

Yeah...is there an underlying message that I'm missing?

bluedigger

(17,087 posts)
4. No she didn't.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:22 PM
Jan 2012

Her demonstration was intended for personal consumption only. Unless they plan on making eggs a Controlled Substance, you may consume them as you wish when you prepare them for yourself.

Tunkamerica

(4,444 posts)
7. nm looks like everyone else made my points
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:27 PM
Jan 2012

seriously? so if i made cookies in my kitchen at home... i couldn't taste the batter? how does the grocery sell raw eggs if they're illegal? Homemade eggnog is illegal?

it's obviously just for restaurants and the like.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
9. seriously? wtf?
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:30 PM
Jan 2012

if you're so all fired pissed off why don't you call the local heath officials and bust Rachel?

BumRushDaShow

(129,228 posts)
10. They do sell pasteurized in-shell eggs
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:31 PM
Jan 2012

Kinda expensive but... http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Factsheets/Focus_On_Shell_Eggs/index.asp#12

Also see this: http://www.foodsafetysite.com/educators/competencies/general/foodprocessing/processing2.html

Whole Eggs Pasteurized in the Shell - Traditionally, eggs sold to customers in the shell have not been pasteurized. However, new time/temperature pasteurization methods are making this possible. Egg whites coagulate at 140°F (60°C). Therefore, heating an egg above 140°F would cook the egg, so processors pasteurize the egg in the shell at a low temperature, 130°F (54°C), for a long time, 45 minutes. This new process is being used by some manufacturers, but it is not yet widely available. Pasteurizing eggs reduces the risk of contamination from pathogenic bacteria, such as Salmonella, which can cause severe illness and even death. Pasteurized eggs in the shell may be used in recipes calling for raw eggs, such as Caesar salad, hollandaise or bé arnaise sauces, mayonnaise, egg nog, ice cream, and egg-fortified beverages that are not thoroughly cooked.


Didn't want to stick a brand in but there are a few...

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
19. Yes, I tried them
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 01:03 AM
Jan 2012

And they were perfectly fine. No change in consistency or anything like that.
I don't eat raw eggs except possibly if I tasted cookie dough but that would be rare.
I'd have no qualms about buying them again although I see no need for my purposes but they were a fine egg.

cilla4progress

(24,756 posts)
11. My husband was talking over the radio when she was mixing it up
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:33 PM
Jan 2012

(I hate it when he does that!)

What was the alcohol she used in her "Millionaire"?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
14. You have about a 1 in 20,000 chance (0.005%) of finding an egg with salmonella
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 12:20 AM
Jan 2012

Even if you ate that 1 in 20,000 egg, the chances of getting sick are even smaller. If you did get sick, salmonellosis is almost never fatal in otherwise healthy adults.

I don't stay up at night worrying about raw eggs. Perhaps some do.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
16. Orange Julius just wasn't the same after they stopped putting raw eggs in them.
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 12:25 AM
Jan 2012

I used to LOVE those things!

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,356 posts)
18. I thought it was just the yolk that was unhealthy
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 12:45 AM
Jan 2012

And she managed to remove the yolk without breaking it.

Besides, I didn't see anyone actually drink anything.

EC

(12,287 posts)
20. She said they serve it at a bar there
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 01:27 AM
Jan 2012

and that's where she got the recipe. So I'm guessing it's legal in New York.

Historic NY

(37,452 posts)
21. We used to have Orange Julius with a raw egg...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 02:34 AM
Jan 2012

wasn't bad. Ny tighten up on eggs and cooking. I like mine up and they get crazy over temps too.

However, the resurgence of eggs as a cocktail ingredient has been met with stiff resistance from governmental food agencies. The Pegu Club, a high-end cocktail hangout in Manhattan, was recently hit with an infraction serious enough to warrant a court appearance.

The New York City Health Department cited the club for serving its special Earl Gray MarTEAni, a drink containing raw egg white, without telling the customer who ordered it that it contained raw egg.

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2010/02/nyc-cracks-down-on-eggs-in-cocktails/

http://www.tablematters.com/index.php/bottle-sections/bz/bz3

* note because of Rick Santorumn I gave up searching for the stuff that makes drink foam.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
22. LOL at your footnote!
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 02:44 AM
Jan 2012

We Left Coasters also remember the good old days of Orange Julius.

When I make a ramen soup or a can of Campbell's Chicken Noodle, I still throw in a couple of raw eggs at the end and let them cook just enough to cook the white and leave the yolk runny. A trick that I learned from Vietnamese cooks.

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