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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy Ezra Klein is wrong
I tend to agree with Smartypants on this.I am not listening to the pre-emptive poutrage. My faith is in Our President.I happen to think that Ezra Klein often provides valuable information at his blog that is worth reading. But yesterday he did something really dumb...he made a prediction about what the so-called "fiscal cliff" deal will look like.
The harder question is what Republicans will get on the spending side of the deal. But even thats not such a mystery. There will be a variety of nips and tucks to Medicare, including more cost-sharing and decreases in provider payments, and the headline Democratic concession is likely to be that the Medicare eligibility age rises from 65 to 67.
And of course, that prediction set off the expected rounds of pre-emptive poutrage.
We have no way of knowing who those "smart folks in Washington" are that Klein talked to. But I - for one - have to question their intelligence. That's because there is NO WAY that this is the sum total of a deal.
What those "smart folks" are forgetting is that there is more on the table to this so-called "fiscal cliff" than the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. There's also $1.2 trillion in spending cuts that kick in on January 1st - half of which hit defense spending. There's no mention of what would happen to all of that in this supposed "deal."
And what about all those other things President Obama had in his proposal...everything from extending unemployment benefits to more stimulus spending to ending the use of the debt ceiling as a hostage-taking strategy?
Perhaps those "smart folks" expect that President Obama would agree to give in to Republican demands to eliminate the cuts to defense spending - all while giving in on a lower tax rate for the wealthy AND lowering the age of Medicare eligibility AND giving up on all of his other proposals. But that would be stupid. And this President is anything but stupid.
Now, the poutragers will claim that this is likely because it would fit their frame of a President who caves. But we've already busted that meme.
The only way those items Klein mentions would be included in a deal President Obama agreed to would be if he got MUCH more in return.
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2012/12/why-ezra-klein-is-wrong.html
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But many will only see this or that and say "He caved."
Just like the last time ... On the one side of the ledger, U/C extension, extension of tax holiday, increase in food stamp programing, ended Don't, Ask Don't tell, SALT treaty, (and a couple other things I can't name off the top of my head) ...
On the other side of the ledger, extension of tax cuts for the wealthy ...
General Consciencious: Complete and Utter Cave!
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)And I for one am happy Not to be one of them!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)here's how Klein defined the proposal after he wrote that piece: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021945161
The proposal is absurd!
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Isn't that what we hate about the liberal media, that they only talk to those legendary smart folks in Washington and have no clue WTF is going on in the other 99% of the country.
I would guess that Obama knows a bit more about what is going on than Ezra Effing Klein.
Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)"some people say".
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Bingo!
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:05 PM - Edit history (1)
If President Obama is considering backing down from the promises that he made to the people that voted for him, the President is making an enormous mistake that will hurt the democratic party for decades.
What needs to happen are the following:
The maximum rate on high wage earners must go back to the Clinton income tax rates.
The Medicare Tax Cap must be eliminated so that high earners pay across the entire calendar year, like all low wage earners.
The Capital Gains tax rate must be raised to 20% from 15%.
If the first two of those can't be gained, going off the Fiscal Cliff is the only option left.
On edit, I said Ezra Klein led Chris Hayes show, the person that led the show was Steve Kanacki.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)To justify their support of raising the eligibility age and lowering the cost of living increases for future generations. The Washington post has had many articles over the past few years championing cuts to ss and Medicare. Every time the Post prints such an article it takes a few days or weeks for folks like Robert Riech, Krugman, Dean and others to put out articles pointing out the falsehoods and problems with the Washington Posts way bullshit.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)they had an unethical arrangement where they would publish Pete Peterson propaganda disguised as news stories.
And guess what, Ezra Klein was there to tell liberals not to worry about Peterson:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/07/pete_peterson_speaks.html
Pete Peterson speaks
Benjy Sarlin has a good interview with Peter G. Peterson, the deficit-hating billionaire who many liberals see as one of the primary threats to Medicare and Social Security.
In the interview, Peterson comes off as more reasonable than all that: An all-purpose deficit hawk as opposed to a small-government conservative trying to achieve his ends by talking up the debt. Peterson would cut entitlements, to be sure, but he'd also take a carbon tax, more taxes on the rich, defense cuts and more. "I remind you that we have a case study in the 1990s, where taxes on people like me, my marginal taxes, were increased and combined with spending caps and 'pay as you go' rules, we had one of the great decades of our history and ended up with a budget surplus," he says. Fair enough.
One of Peterson's arguments to progressives has always been that you want to plan to deal with the deficit sooner rather than later, as the neediest constituencies are often the first to suffer when Congress has to find money quickly. The last few months have been proof of his point: Medicaid and food stamps and unemployment insurance are staggering while Congress debates whether they'll keep all of the Bush tax cuts or just most of them. That isn't to endorse any particular solutions to our fiscal woes, but there's no guarantee that emergency action will be more equitable than early action.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)to any of his arguments, in themselves.