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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:54 PM Dec 2012

Teamsters President Warns Of Brewing ‘Civil War’ In Michigan

The fight over union rights in Michigan has some peoples’ blood absolutely boiling, and Teamsters Union President James Hoffa is chief among them.

“This is just the first round of a battle that’s going to divide this state,” Hoffa told CNN on Tuesday. “We’re going to have a civil war in this state because this has been passed by a lame duck legislature.”

Michigan, which has been strongly pro-union since the founding of the United Autoworkers Union in 1935, became on Tuesday a so-called “right to work” state, which means workers are not required to pay union dues. Republicans in the statehouse passed the bills this week surrounded by angry protesters outside the Capitol.

“There was no debate,” Hoffa insisted. “This was done in five days, it was not approved by the people of the state of Michigan. If anything, it should have been on the ballot. This was a monumental decision to make and for it to be done by outgoing senators and state legislators is a tremendous mistake. What they are doing here is basically betraying democracy. If there’s any question here, let’s put it on the ballot, let the people of Michigan decide what’s good for Michigan.”

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Teamsters President Warns Of Brewing ‘Civil War’ In Michigan (Original Post) Purveyor Dec 2012 OP
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #1
Union Thug? fascisthunter Dec 2012 #2
Let's see if he makes it to 8... teamster633 Dec 2012 #3
Must be the same 'Bagger who ranted about "union thugs"... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #12
Yeah. And fucking PROUD OF IT........... socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #4
Taking food from people's mouths and putting dents into futures is violence TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #5
People don't realize it is class warfare... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #20
Fuck off. Brickbat Dec 2012 #6
What about when some SOB steals your pension? What about when doc03 Dec 2012 #7
LOL, my job has been sent to China 3 times, and I'm going to have to look up 'pension' Flatulo Dec 2012 #19
I worked almost 40 years in one company, went through two bankruptcies, doc03 Dec 2012 #21
Lots of stories like ours. Thankfully I understood early in my career that I was on my own Flatulo Dec 2012 #22
Enjoy your brief stay proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #8
*Sniff sniff* Brigid Dec 2012 #9
Wrong website sparky Marrah_G Dec 2012 #11
Solidarity. Any means necessary. nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #10
We are defending ourselves from the 1%. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #13
The GOP is taking the bread from the people's hands. Politicub Dec 2012 #14
They really pulled a fast one. I hope they don't TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #15
My Grandfather was a Shop Stewart for the Teamsters. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #16
I'm afraid some blood will be spilled before this thing is over. BlueJazz Dec 2012 #17
Frankly, I'm suprised it's gone on this long without it. eShirl Dec 2012 #26
because a picture is worth a thousand words....a picture with words... adirondacker Dec 2012 #18
Good Sign! They were Betrayed in Michigan.. the Workers' Cha Dec 2012 #23
Facta, Non Verba! Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #24
I know where MI. is. DiverDave Dec 2012 #25
How can it be legal? GermanSmoker Dec 2012 #27
FDR's Second Bill of Rights should be adopted, agreed. Laelth Dec 2012 #28

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

doc03

(35,354 posts)
7. What about when some SOB steals your pension? What about when
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:14 PM
Dec 2012

some SOB lays you off and sends your job to China? What about when some SOB locks you out of your job for 10 1/2 months? What about some SOB that does the same work as you gets paid the same and has all the benefits of a union and refuses to pay dues? What about the Pinkertons that busted peoples heads and shot them because they went on strike. What about the US government sending in the National Guard when we tried organizing unions? Is that violence?

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
19. LOL, my job has been sent to China 3 times, and I'm going to have to look up 'pension'
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:25 PM
Dec 2012

in the dictionary.

I wish I did have union protections, but engineers in the private sector are rarely if ever organized.

doc03

(35,354 posts)
21. I worked almost 40 years in one company, went through two bankruptcies,
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:35 PM
Dec 2012

two lockouts 100 days and 10 1/2 months, had a DB pension dropped on the PBGC and another DC pension terminated and my health insurance was terminated in September. Luckily I can get Medicare early next year. My plant shut down during the Bush depression and is probably going to be melted down for scrap.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
22. Lots of stories like ours. Thankfully I understood early in my career that I was on my own
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:49 PM
Dec 2012

and I worked hard to put away a bunch of money. Plus I bought a shitty little house and paid it off after 10 years. I'll survive, but barely.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
13. We are defending ourselves from the 1%.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:13 PM
Dec 2012

To all the RW fuck-turds who rant about "union thugs", GO TO HELL.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
14. The GOP is taking the bread from the people's hands.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:15 PM
Dec 2012

They are smashing dreams of union workers being able to give their kids a better life.

They're putting families on the street by removing the ability to pay for rent and mortgages.

The term overreach was invented for a reason.

I hope the GOP reaps the whirlwind.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
18. because a picture is worth a thousand words....a picture with words...
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:26 PM
Dec 2012

priceless.


haven't seen it in a while and seems so appropriate.

 

Resonance_Chamber

(142 posts)
24. Facta, Non Verba!
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:49 AM
Dec 2012

Lots of people are very upset about this yet which is understandable but IMHO it is mostly lip service.

When the question was asked yesterday ....How many here own or lease a union made car?....the vast majority of respondants BAD mouthed the union companies to justify the scab built purchase they made. Which is thier right and choice howver if you calim to suport workers you also have to actually do it.

The purahace or non union made products undermines union workers.




 

GermanSmoker

(91 posts)
27. How can it be legal?
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:17 AM
Dec 2012

To force people to pay union fees when they are not even members? Before i heard a few years ago about "Right to work laws" and so on i always thought only members had to pay. I would be suprised if this happens anywhere outside the USA.
Ok talk is easy for me cause i live in a country that has universal healthcare since the 19th century. So in my opinion the introduction of FDR's "Second Bill of Rights" would benefit workers way more than any union can.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
28. FDR's Second Bill of Rights should be adopted, agreed.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:33 AM
Dec 2012

But there is no way Congress could or would adopt it in the current political climate in the United States.

As for forcing people to pay union dues if they decide to take a job at a closed shop (all unionized workers), that's entirely legal here, and it makes good sense. Nobody is "forced" to pay union dues in the United States. If a person agrees to accept employment at a closed shop, that person is agreeing to pay union dues. If that person does not want to pay union dues, that person is free to not accept employment at a closed shop.

-Laelth

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