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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMr. President, remember that history will record it was you who raised the Medicare age !
An act that brought early death to countless Americans and politically crippled the Democratic Party.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/obama-medicare-eligibility-age_n_894833.html
Credit to DUer KPete for posting this then.
http://swampland.time.com/2012/12/04/obama-boehner-to-meet-with-governors-on-fiscal-cliff/
Really, it's time to stop acting like Obama's willingness to cut social programs is a hallucination. He talks the beltway talk about it. Always has. So it not only isn't crazy or mean or rightwingy to keep warning him not to, it is a necessity.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)talking about this said that his past offer to raise the eligibility age is undermining current negotiations. Couldn't find that when I went back and looked. But negotiation does work that way. If you've already said you'd give something, it's taken as a given that it's still on the table, somewhere.
This is why Democrats and liberals SHOULD be yelling about this now, rather than simply giving Obama the benefit of the doubt.
He doesn't need our faith. He isn't a deity. He's a politician. He needs public opinion to tell him what to do.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Thanks for posting that.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)He can't run again. So we don't have much leverage as liberal netroots activists. A far better approach is to do what we can to turn public opinion against this and use all of the channels the White House has set up for communication to send respectful emails and comments about why we think this is a bad idea. Especially good are personal stories about how you or someone you know will be effected. I think it's a good idea to add a line about how he can't really want to be remembered as the president who does this. The point is, the message has to come from more than just a bunch of angry bloggers.
What gives me hope is that while he's not as liberal as I want him to be, President Obama is usually sensible and doesn't want to support something that doesn't make sense. And multiple studies have shown recently why this doesn't make sense. Like you said, he doesn't want his legacy to be the president who threw Grandma out in the street. I would like to also believe he genuinely cares about not hurting poor seniors, but that is besides the point.
Remember, in 2011, the Supreme Court had not yet ruled that the states could opt out of the Medicaid expansion. So the president believed that at least the poorest seniors ages 65-67 would have a fallback. Hopefully that, combined with his stronger political position, the studies showing that it won't save much money, and pressure from a broad swath of the American people will be enough to convince him not to do this.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)spanone
(135,854 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,776 posts)RagAss
(13,832 posts)former-republican
(2,163 posts)not some of the political pundits.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)From what I've heard, the administration believes that the ACA would take up the slack.
I can't remember all the details but this was discussed on Ed Schultz last week.
Personally, I'm not super concerned because I think ultimately we're headed for single payer.
And I don't think it's that far off either,,,,,,,
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Before the Supreme Court ruled that states could opt out. They may not still believe that. But keep up the public pressure...he needs to see how much opposition there is, and not just the usual suspects. We need to get small business owners who would be harmed by this to speak up about how much it would cost their business.
leftstreet
(36,109 posts)The Ruling Class does, and will
He'll be remembered as the first African American US President. Period
gateley
(62,683 posts)satxdem
(131 posts)Healthcare reform, bin laden, first president to come out in favor of sam sex marriage, repealing dadt, hate crimes act, nuclear arms treaties and etc. Being black will be on there, along with many more thing. Being black isn't the only thing he has done as president.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I am glad someone here remembers his accomplishments instead of throwing in the towel based on something he might do (but seems open to being persuaded not to do).
satxdem
(131 posts)I had to say something, I get tired of hearing that all Obama has done was be black in the whitehouse. Republicans love saying it, it is even sadder to hear from democrats. You don't have to support him, but to act as if he's done nothing is foolish. But I suppose I am bias because I support the president.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)he'd offered to bomb Canada last year.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)http://www.politicususa.com/Beck-Obama-Canada.html
On his FNC program today Glenn Beck claimed that Barack Obama is going to bomb the Canadian oil pipelines to nationalize the oil and gas industries
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I thought he said it wasn't being considered now...he didn't say never but I didn't see anything about him saying specifically "until 2013."
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Sadiedog
(353 posts)to either SS or Medicare. What changed? Are they no longer as concerned with older voters?