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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:02 PM Dec 2012

Raise your hand if you think Obama urged Rice to step aside

...cuz I just want to see how much "WRONG" there can be in one place.

She was his choice, and they were ready to go to war for her.

They did NOT want to wind up in a situation that would create an open Senate seat in Massachusetts.

They did NOT want to give McCain any kind of a victory.

And finally, her stepping aside leaves open the argument that something was, in fact, shady about what happened in and after Benghazi. The administration absolutely does not want that at all.

So yeah, no.

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Raise your hand if you think Obama urged Rice to step aside (Original Post) WilliamPitt Dec 2012 OP
how bout choosing a liberal/progressive democrat for the job. does obama know any besides msongs Dec 2012 #1
Different question WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #2
raising my hand Enrique Dec 2012 #3
Sometimes, you've got to pick your battles. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #13
Yes. H2O Man Dec 2012 #4
You know what would help: ProSense Dec 2012 #5
Kerry will get clobbered here WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #6
And Kerry will get clobbered by some of the same smegma smears who have been ... 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #17
It was the right thing to do. Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #7
No way. bunnies Dec 2012 #8
I don't think so, but I don't think they necessarily came to joeybee12 Dec 2012 #9
Do you mean is politics involved? lunatica Dec 2012 #10
I missed the nomination. GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #11
One hand up zipplewrath Dec 2012 #12
When has Obama stood up for any of his appointees? Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #14
"keeping his powder dry" warrprayer Dec 2012 #15
Obama hates rice!!!! JoePhilly Dec 2012 #16
I find myself disagreeing with you again, William. LiberalAndProud Dec 2012 #18
Of course he did. lightcameron Dec 2012 #19
Tom Brady for SOS WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #20
Put in Tebow and you will get there. Brady or not. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #31
I dunno bigtree Dec 2012 #21
I think maybe Obama has been waiting for the right replacement to run in Mass. dmosh42 Dec 2012 #22
Not going to happen unless it has to WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #23
I don't think so NT AlexSatan Dec 2012 #24
Ah, Benghazi . . . fadedrose Dec 2012 #25
well, a lot of the talking heads believe he did not want the fight /nt still_one Dec 2012 #26
A lot of talking heads thought there were WMD in Iraq in 2003 WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #27
Good point. They have also been saying the last week we would not go over the fiscal cliff. We're still_one Dec 2012 #28
Keeping hand down rock Dec 2012 #29
If he did, he has a right to as your President. In no way would I fault him if he did! arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #30
I don't think that President Obama urged her out Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #32
I don't think he did either... 2naSalit Dec 2012 #33

msongs

(67,421 posts)
1. how bout choosing a liberal/progressive democrat for the job. does obama know any besides
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:04 PM
Dec 2012

john kerry, a sitting senator who would give up a valuable seat to accept?

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
13. Sometimes, you've got to pick your battles.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:58 PM
Dec 2012

It sucks, but sometimes, you've got to make a hard decision.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. You know what would help:
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:13 PM
Dec 2012

If people stopped smearing everyone under consideration by the President. Every name mentioned launches a witchhunt.

Ray McGovern: Say No to Susan Rice: Here's Why
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021928492

Don’t jump to conclusions about Susan Rice
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2012/12/13/dont-jump-to-conclusions-about-susan-rice/

I fully expect everyone to begin smearing Kerry...again.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
17. And Kerry will get clobbered by some of the same smegma smears who have been ...
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:12 PM
Dec 2012

touting him as a good choice! The word "hypocrisy" truly has become a synonym for "Republican".

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
7. It was the right thing to do.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:21 PM
Dec 2012

Rice is not so wonderful that she was worth the distraction and the huge expenditure of political capital.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
9. I don't think so, but I don't think they necessarily came to
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:27 PM
Dec 2012

her defense recently or strongly...they saw which way the wind was blowing and Rice knew she didn't have the support.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
12. One hand up
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:45 PM
Dec 2012

I presume she was asked. To some extent, regardless of the exact order, if they wanted her they probably could have persuaded her. The end result, regardless of order, is that she's out.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
14. When has Obama stood up for any of his appointees?
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:01 PM
Dec 2012

This administration is a top up loyalty only.


Everyone else gets cut from the raft as soon as any repug has a tissy.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
18. I find myself disagreeing with you again, William.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:20 PM
Dec 2012

Having Rice withdraw from consideration eliminates an unnecessary distraction. What will Graham and McCain have to bellyache about now? Truth be told, the greater majority of the electorate really could not care less who is named SoS. This ends the news cycle on this kerfuffle, and that's a net gain.

(hand raised)

lightcameron

(224 posts)
19. Of course he did.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:55 PM
Dec 2012

A confirmation hearing would only have highlighted the Benghazi issue more than it already is/will be. And, as you put it: The administration absolutely does not want that at all.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
31. Put in Tebow and you will get there. Brady or not.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:09 PM
Dec 2012

That should be just enough to start a flame war.

bigtree

(85,999 posts)
21. I dunno
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:04 AM
Dec 2012

I think he wanted someone with more recognized gravitas. We'll see who he ends up choosing, but Rice was no Clinton, as far as our allies would be concerned. The value of having the wife of a former U.S. president lobby nations around the world cannot be overstated. I think choices like John Kerry would provide someone who is recognizable on the international circuit, trusted, and with noticeable influence. I'm not sure Rice provided that.

I do think the president signaled that he wanted someone else and gave Rice the opportunity to withdraw, rather than have it appear he passed her up. Standard stuff. I don't see why holding that opinion should be some untoward thing worthy of derision or ridicule. It could be that Mass. and the president have worked out a way to keep Kerry's seat or have reassured the president about the risk of the open seat challenged by the republicans.

Also, McCain is a nobody. He had almost no influence in the last election and he's mostly a sad joke in the Senate that Democrats riff off of. What currency is a McCain 'victory?'

And, yes, he could have won with Rice.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
25. Ah, Benghazi . . .
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:30 PM
Dec 2012

The deaths occurred there at an embassy, the official State Dept. headquarters of the US ambassador. I kept listening for State's explanations from the day the very sad news came on, and personally thought it was part of the embassy demonstrations across the mid-east map, but nothing came from State except a statement of regret about the deaths.

I understand that Mrs. Clinton will testify (finally) next week. I wonder why Rice was asked about it to begin with on Meet the Press.

It seems that shady describes the entire affair very accurately.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
27. A lot of talking heads thought there were WMD in Iraq in 2003
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:39 PM
Dec 2012

and thought Romney was a shoo-in in 2012.

So.

still_one

(92,278 posts)
28. Good point. They have also been saying the last week we would not go over the fiscal cliff. We're
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:44 PM
Dec 2012

going over I think

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,417 posts)
32. I don't think that President Obama urged her out
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:16 PM
Dec 2012

I think that this was her decision alone. President Obama was very openly supportive of her when the Republicans started up their shenanigans but I think, in the end, she decided that she didn't want to force the WH into a long, drawn out battle that would unnecessarily distract everybody from other more important things. In short, she was thinking of the big picture- the country- instead of herself, like most of the people on our team. I don't know what the Republicans' goals were in trying to defeat Rice for the position but I hope that it rings like a hollow victory to them.

2naSalit

(86,679 posts)
33. I don't think he did either...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:27 PM
Dec 2012

I suspect that they discussed it and I wonder if he really was planning on nominating her. There was a lot of hoopla from talkingheadville but he never said, one way or the other, what he was thinking. I think she was given the Sunday talk show rounds to keep the eye off of a lot of details while the CIA head was being neatly removed from all considerations via a pile of fodder in the form of a tawdry "affair". He got off easy.

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