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Stinky The Clown

(67,818 posts)
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:25 PM Dec 2012

This is really awful

Think about it. As in so many other similar incidents, these CHILDREN will carry this with them for the rest of their lives.

An ELEMENTARY school. LITTLE kids.

Gawd Fucking Damn It.

C H I L D R E N

And some fucking nut with a fucking gun. Facing down a fucking army of men with more guns and camo and ammo and metallic clicks and clips sent home and armored vehicles and seige equipment and ambulances and lock downs.

F U C K

Make it fucking stop.







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This is really awful (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 OP
Those kids will never outgrow it. It will be in their minds until they die and what kinds of shraby Dec 2012 #1
Heart breaking tk2kewl Dec 2012 #2
God, that look on the face of the little girl sufrommich Dec 2012 #4
That just tears your heart open, doesn't it. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #5
Heartbreaking. Politicub Dec 2012 #11
And 18 of them will never grow up at all... catbyte Dec 2012 #39
They'll grow up alright happynewyear Dec 2012 #44
I was talking about the 18 that died. catbyte Dec 2012 #53
The heroes in that picture are the women. I am riveted by how they are keeping the kids together riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #41
theres a photo accompanying the Yahoo! story that pnwest Dec 2012 #3
No problem. The NRA has a plan... onehandle Dec 2012 #6
I would like to see the picture above made into a poster. Mail it to every NRA member we know. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #8
It would help to openly discuss the issue of guns in our society -- nationally and even on DU. Hoyt Dec 2012 #7
I actually hate it FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2012 #9
+1 JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #29
Yes, I agree Tumbulu Dec 2012 #14
kick Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #10
I am sitting here crying GObamaGO Dec 2012 #12
On ABC here in NY HappyMe Dec 2012 #13
OK...I'm going there. There has been a drastic cut in Mental health services w8liftinglady Dec 2012 #15
That's an excellent point . . . but may or may not relate to today's incident. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #16
only heaven05 Dec 2012 #20
Seems as if you may have had a coffee issue today. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #23
you heaven05 Dec 2012 #28
Back away from the caffiene, pallie Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #32
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #35
Please turn off the TV SCVDem Dec 2012 #37
Here, read this: Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #38
Someone shooting children at an elementary school? bvar22 Dec 2012 #22
I'll agree Stinky, facts matter. It could be drugs, it could be terrorism, it could be mental health Little Star Dec 2012 #33
Very good point, at this time we have really no idea what caused this RKP5637 Dec 2012 #46
Yes, we can thank St Reagan for that nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #17
He truly launched this modern nightmare Union Scribe Dec 2012 #24
I agree, the slide started with that piece of shit Reagan n/t flamingdem Dec 2012 #27
That's when I recall most ot the shit in this country starting. He was an extremely crappy RKP5637 Dec 2012 #42
They don't remember maybe flamingdem Dec 2012 #52
I was living in MA then and I recall many of the DJ's talking about it, and then especially RKP5637 Dec 2012 #57
I have dealt with a mentally ill person in my family. sufrommich Dec 2012 #26
Ronald Reagan, IMO, was the most dangerous and worst president the US has ever had. The damage this RKP5637 Dec 2012 #36
"When I think hfojvt Dec 2012 #18
I'm swinging between despair and anger right now deutsey Dec 2012 #19
Spreading American values overseas. OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #21
26 Dead StrayKat Dec 2012 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author TrogL Dec 2012 #30
This is HORRIFIC!!! Over 100 rounds fired a witness says -- I am in tears. anneboleyn Dec 2012 #47
We have to at some point Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #55
I often wonder, is this the face of the NEW America. ... will be a great place to no longer RKP5637 Dec 2012 #31
Just another day that ends with a y Flatpicker Dec 2012 #34
I wonder SCVDem Dec 2012 #40
I have NO answer drmjg Dec 2012 #43
This is awful!! I live in CT not that it matters. This happening anywhere is awful. Filibuster Harry Dec 2012 #45
it will only be worse when the kids find out who died hollysmom Dec 2012 #48
reportedly the principal and other administrators were killed too. Again so so very sad. Filibuster Harry Dec 2012 #50
... and didn't Batshit Michigan just make it legal to carry guns to school? Myrina Dec 2012 #49
The Horror....The Horror triplepoint Dec 2012 #51
YOU DON'T FUCKING KILL CHILDREN!!!! ThingsGottaChange Dec 2012 #54
Agree so much. For me, there are two things I'm really fed up with having shoved on me and RKP5637 Dec 2012 #58
This country would be an incalculably better place hifiguy Dec 2012 #61
It would, it definitely would be. As I've seen religion and guns grow in this country, the net/net RKP5637 Dec 2012 #62
K&R ReRe Dec 2012 #56
Well, over in the gungeon some are pissed off because someone in the media CrispyQ Dec 2012 #59
They split hairs over the description of it.... ReRe Dec 2012 #63
Better wear body armor. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2012 #64
Well this is OBVIOUSLY why we need looser gun regulations in this country redStateBlueHeart Dec 2012 #60

shraby

(21,946 posts)
1. Those kids will never outgrow it. It will be in their minds until they die and what kinds of
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:35 PM
Dec 2012

consequences will it lead to before that time?

Stinky The Clown

(67,818 posts)
5. That just tears your heart open, doesn't it.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:46 PM
Dec 2012

Little kids.

Innocence lost.

Being led out by cops. Unarmed cops. Concerned and gentle looking cops. But still cops. Hands on shoulders. A LOCK DOWN and subsequent EVACUATION. Being evacuated from their SCHOOL.

Because of some FUCKING NUT.

happynewyear

(1,724 posts)
44. They'll grow up alright
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:51 PM
Dec 2012

But they will live with the scars from this episode forever. They'll never forget!

GUNS SUCK, that is all I have to say about it. They not only kill, they ruin lives forever!

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
41. The heroes in that picture are the women. I am riveted by how they are keeping the kids together
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:50 PM
Dec 2012

Their faces are drawn but not out of control - they are competently, purposefully doing their job.

That's the face of true heroes folks. Real folks in real pressure doing the read deal with our kids.

The kids needed someone to tell them what to do, where to go, and keep them safe. That's what the three women in that photo are doing.

Tears here just looking at the multitude of emotions on the faces in this pic.

Really says a thousand things without a word.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
3. theres a photo accompanying the Yahoo! story that
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:44 PM
Dec 2012

shows kids coming out single file, and there's a girl in a blue sweater who's face just broke my heart. She is traumatized. The bewildered terror on her face...
http://gma.yahoo.com/breaking-conn-school-district-locked-down-shooting-report-151955384--abc-news-topstories.html

Stinky The Clown

(67,818 posts)
8. I would like to see the picture above made into a poster. Mail it to every NRA member we know.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:55 PM
Dec 2012

This picture.

No caption needed. Just a date and place.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. It would help to openly discuss the issue of guns in our society -- nationally and even on DU.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:53 PM
Dec 2012

Instead, too many want to avoid it, or relegate the discussion to the gungeon where the 2nd Amendment supporters -- who conveniently misinterpret the Constitution -- tell us how important guns are to them and promote arming up.

 

FunkyLeprechaun

(2,383 posts)
9. I actually hate it
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:00 PM
Dec 2012

When General Discussion/LBN posts on news regarding shootings are moved to the Gun Forum. It's a huge problem in America and it does need to be discussed (I have a feeling that the pro-gunners are the ones that alert on these posts so they're hidden from the general DU population). People aren't thinking "Oh, there might be a bad guy with a gun today where I'm going." they're thinking about school, Christmas shopping, looking forward to movies and plays, etc etc.

It's so awful.

Tumbulu

(6,292 posts)
14. Yes, I agree
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:38 PM
Dec 2012

we do need to discuss this and the gun nuts need to be tombstoned or whatever they are called in DU3.

GObamaGO

(665 posts)
12. I am sitting here crying
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:32 PM
Dec 2012

While my kids are at school. I cannot even imagine the grief and trauma everyone involved is experiencing (and will continue to experience for the rest of their lives).

I have no words to express the depth of emotions I am feeling right now.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
13. On ABC here in NY
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:37 PM
Dec 2012

they said that the 1 gunman was a parent of one of the kids in that school. A couple of minutes ago the police started running off into the woods behind the school (helicopter, live picture).

w8liftinglady

(23,278 posts)
15. OK...I'm going there. There has been a drastic cut in Mental health services
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:42 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.nami.org/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm?ContentFileID=126233
"One in 17 people in America lives with a serious mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, major
depression, or bipolar disorder.1 About one in 10 children live with a serious mental disorder.2
In recent years, the worst recession in the U.S. since the Great Depression has dramatically
impacted an already inadequate public mental health system. From 2009 to 2011, massive cuts to
non-Medicaid state mental health spending totaled nearly $1.6 billion dollars. And, deeper cuts are
projected in 2011 and 2012. States have cut vital services for tens of thousands of youth and adults
living with the most serious mental illness. These services include community and hospital based
psychiatric care, housing and access to medications."


Why would we cut known beneficial treatments for mentally-ill folks?I lay the blame straight on Ronald Reagan.
http://www.nhi.org/online/issues/135/reagan.html
http://www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html#thomas.html?&_suid=135550687386809765384678804698
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
20. only
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:03 PM
Dec 2012

an insane person would do something like this. It fucking does relate!!!!! No doubt. What, a sane person did this. Is that what you mean and they are just pissed because their coffee was cold that morning, the car broke down, domestic argument? What do you mean, may or may not? Just a question.

Stinky The Clown

(67,818 posts)
23. Seems as if you may have had a coffee issue today.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:09 PM
Dec 2012

Calm the fuck down, okay? My point is clear enough. FACTS matter. Your implication is an OPINION.

F A C T S are what matter when news stories are breaking.

Now get a grip.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
28. you
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:16 PM
Dec 2012

don't tell me what to do. You find some intelligence and then get the fuck back to me. Take your waiting for facts and put that where to sun doesn't shine. You have the right name, your apologist attitude, stinks. You get a grip on reality.

Stinky The Clown

(67,818 posts)
32. Back away from the caffiene, pallie
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:23 PM
Dec 2012

I just DID tell you what to do. And by gosh, I just did it again.

You sure have a swell atitude.

And where did you serve in Viet Nam? When? What service? Where did you see action? Drafted or volunteered?

Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #32)

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
37. Please turn off the TV
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:41 PM
Dec 2012

Step away for a while.

We are all upset.

This was an act of domestic terrorism.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
22. Someone shooting children at an elementary school?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:07 PM
Dec 2012

I guarantee you Mental Health is 100% related to today's incident,
and EVERY mass shooting.
Stable, functional human beings don't do that.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
33. I'll agree Stinky, facts matter. It could be drugs, it could be terrorism, it could be mental health
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:23 PM
Dec 2012

but that's not the only option.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
24. He truly launched this modern nightmare
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:12 PM
Dec 2012

of today's GOP and the seemingly neverending misery they have wrought.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
42. That's when I recall most ot the shit in this country starting. He was an extremely crappy
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:50 PM
Dec 2012

president and tarnished the presidency. What surprises me are the fools that still worship him today.

flamingdem

(39,322 posts)
52. They don't remember maybe
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:06 PM
Dec 2012

even Obama was a tad young to get the full brunt of it.. whenever he lauds him I think.. he must be doing that sarcastically.. or he doesn't understand. I will never forget the day he was elected and the sense of gloom anyone even mildly left felt at the time.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
57. I was living in MA then and I recall many of the DJ's talking about it, and then especially
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:57 PM
Dec 2012

his trickle down economics ... and I think many of us even then did not realize in the beginning how dreadful and devastating he would be ... and to me, that was also the beginning of ME ME ME.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
26. I have dealt with a mentally ill person in my family.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:14 PM
Dec 2012

Unless you can prove that the person is a danger to themselves or others, there is very little the mental health provider can do. I'm not arguing against a good mental health policy in this country, but it doesn't stop mentally ill people from buying guns.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
36. Ronald Reagan, IMO, was the most dangerous and worst president the US has ever had. The damage this
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:40 PM
Dec 2012

actor inflicted on this country will still linger for years. I always thought of him as very creepy, and even more creepy are those that still worship Reagan today.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
18. "When I think
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:51 PM
Dec 2012

of the number of years, she is gonna have to carry in her memory,
the SAVAGERY of this idiotic little moment of yours,
I just go BERSERK!!" Billy Jack

"Human society is shot through and through with fear, jealousy, hatred, resentment, resistance, rebellion." Scott Nearing (I think, it may be John Ruskin)

"A world in which violence becomes normalized as part of the daily routine. The popular mind becomes softly inured to human degeneracy. 'Tobacco Road' and "Of Mice and Men' become popular dramas without exciting the faintest degree of public protest - except in traditional clerical circle - over the defilement which they spread." (Lewis Mumford)

StrayKat

(570 posts)
25. 26 Dead
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:13 PM
Dec 2012

26

I can't even verbally finish the count. Bam. . .bam. . .bam. . .bam. . .bam. . .

How could someone actually do this?




Can we finally talk about gun control NOW?

Response to StrayKat (Reply #25)

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
47. This is HORRIFIC!!! Over 100 rounds fired a witness says -- I am in tears.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:57 PM
Dec 2012

Seriously can't anything be done to ensure the safety of our elementary (elementary!!!) school kids??

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
31. I often wonder, is this the face of the NEW America. ... will be a great place to no longer
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:20 PM
Dec 2012

live IMO. Here, our city has an ordinance that prevents open carry, so our city is being sued because most of us think it's not necessary to walk around with six shooters and more strapped to ones sides. So, the will of the citizens in this city will probably be overturned by the state. What a moronic place to live.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
34. Just another day that ends with a y
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:23 PM
Dec 2012

In America.

I hate that it's gotten to be so routine that I can almost pencil in my moment of outrage.
This is so wrong...

drmjg

(34 posts)
43. I have NO answer
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:51 PM
Dec 2012

What have we, as a society, done to allow the loss of schools as a safe place for our children? ABC News points out this chilling statistic: There have been an estimated 31 school shootings since the shooting at Columbine in 1999.

Filibuster Harry

(666 posts)
45. This is awful!! I live in CT not that it matters. This happening anywhere is awful.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:54 PM
Dec 2012

I can't stop crying on this one. Looking at those kids, who made it safely out, and what they must be thinking. How do they get over this?? And to those parents, friends, and loved ones who lost loved ones including their child -- my , our hearts and prayers are with you.


Everytime something like this happens we think this is the one that will get our leaders to do something.
How many more have to die like this??

DAMN IT CONGRESS AND WHITE HOUSE -- DO SOMETHING. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT WHATEVER YOU DO WON'T STOP THIS BECAUSE WHAT YOU ARE DOING NOW IS NOT WORKING.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
48. it will only be worse when the kids find out who died
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:58 PM
Dec 2012

it could be a teacher or a friend. There will have to be a lot of counseling here.

 

triplepoint

(431 posts)
51. The Horror....The Horror
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:03 PM
Dec 2012

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ThingsGottaChange

(1,200 posts)
54. YOU DON'T FUCKING KILL CHILDREN!!!!
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:12 PM
Dec 2012

What the fuck is it going to take for this country to get it's shit together?!?!?!? Is this enough now? Have enough innocents been gunned down?!?!? Have enough families been destroyed? FOR NOTHING! FUCK THE NRA AND ALL THE GUN NUTS OUT THERE! I can't stop crying

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
58. Agree so much. For me, there are two things I'm really fed up with having shoved on me and
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:00 PM
Dec 2012

that's guns and religion.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
61. This country would be an incalculably better place
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:53 PM
Dec 2012

with a lot less religion and a lot fewer guns.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
62. It would, it definitely would be. As I've seen religion and guns grow in this country, the net/net
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:05 PM
Dec 2012

of it all IMO is a more unpleasant place.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
56. K&R
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:28 PM
Dec 2012

The country weeps. I really would like to know how the NRA member/enthusiasts are felling right now? Has anyone known one of these freaks, personally? I haven't (thank God), but I would like to know just how they feel at this moment? Do they feel any guilt? Do they feel "Not my problem"? Are they worrying about their "2nd Amendment rights"... since they must know how the people in this country are feeling right now: GUN CONTROL NOW! GDit!

Suspect is: Ryan Lanza, age 24, from NJ. His mother is/was a teacher at the elementary school.
It looks like he shot his father in NJ, and then came to this school where his mother works. I imagine his mother is dead too, now, along with her class?????

CrispyQ

(36,516 posts)
59. Well, over in the gungeon some are pissed off because someone in the media
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:46 PM
Dec 2012

referred to the weapon as an assault rifle.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
63. They split hairs over the description of it....
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:45 PM
Dec 2012

... and I say: a gun is a gun is a gun. All guns are assault weapons. Guns do not discriminate. Guns are psychopathic. Guns kill babies and guns kill teachers who teach the babies.

My Dear CrispyQ, I have a devilish feeling this afternoon. How do you think them over in the gungeon might react to what I said above? I'm going to sit here and hide behind this computer screen and see what happens....

Turn on MSNBC NOW... another presser coming up at the school...

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