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joeunderdog

(2,563 posts)
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:59 PM Dec 2012

Seriously, how many lives have been saved by assault weapons since the ban was lifted?

Has anyone ever defended themselves effectively with an assault weapon in a way that a simple handgun wouldn't have sufficed?

So what is the sane, rational argument to make them legal? (Spare me your purist 2nd Amendment Rights crap.)

In the end, isn't the psychological devastation of an entire country after a tragedy like this a damn good reason to ban them? What's that worth? Does the NRA have stats on that? I didn't think so. We are all psychologically suffering from this--what about protecting us?

IF the NRA sells guns for our protection.. BAN assault weapons.

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Seriously, how many lives have been saved by assault weapons since the ban was lifted? (Original Post) joeunderdog Dec 2012 OP
Did shootings end when the assault weapons ban was in place? davidn3600 Dec 2012 #1
Countries with strict gun laws have far fewer murders Savannahmann Dec 2012 #2
Those countries also have lower violence in their society and culture davidn3600 Dec 2012 #8
We have a violent society because people keep shooting each other. Squinch Dec 2012 #15
Yeah...you know what...you are 100% right davidn3600 Dec 2012 #16
Yeah... you know what... without guns, violence in a civilized society in NEVER took the form Squinch Dec 2012 #17
Maybe I missed it--What is the answer to the question? Last Stand Dec 2012 #3
How many murders are committed by assault weapons a year in this country? former-republican Dec 2012 #4
The problem is under the ban justanidea Dec 2012 #5
Are you referring to a semiautomatic rifle? former-republican Dec 2012 #6
The AWB didn't do what I think you think it did n/t Recursion Dec 2012 #7
That's the problem when you let people make laws that are uninformed about firearms former-republican Dec 2012 #14
Problem is that an assault weapon was not used according to reports Jersey Devil Dec 2012 #9
I googled it. Several. Zax2me Dec 2012 #10
Are they worth the collective psyche of a nation? Last Stand Dec 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author former-republican Dec 2012 #11
It's cosmetics features that was regulated former-republican Dec 2012 #13
 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
1. Did shootings end when the assault weapons ban was in place?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:04 PM
Dec 2012

Im not in favor of just passing random laws because it sounds like something is being accomplished.

Vast majority of shootings are not involving assault weapons. You can accomplish what this school shooter did with a couple shotguns and a few glocks.

Gun violence is a very complicated issue in this country. The assault weapons ban will accomplish absolutely nothing.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
8. Those countries also have lower violence in their society and culture
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:17 PM
Dec 2012

Saying you can stop or reduce violence by taking away guns is like saying you can reduce obesity by taking away the silverware.

The problem is ingrained in our society and our culture. We have a violent society in America. We have violence everywhere we look. Banning weapons won't change that.

Squinch

(51,004 posts)
15. We have a violent society because people keep shooting each other.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:47 PM
Dec 2012

Your argument is moronic.

And dear, when you use the "spoons don't make you fat" argument, you tip your hand about where you get your news.

The problem is ingrained in our gun culture. Give it up.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
16. Yeah...you know what...you are 100% right
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:50 PM
Dec 2012

We never had violence in civilization before guns were invented.

Squinch

(51,004 posts)
17. Yeah... you know what... without guns, violence in a civilized society in NEVER took the form
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:21 AM
Dec 2012

of a single psycho going into a school and slaughtering a bunch of babies.

To have violence like that, where one psycho decides to take out as many people as he can, you need a gun or an explosive. And most of them choose guns.

Your arguments are hollow and ridiculous and offensive and grotesque in light of what happened today. And what happened on countless days before this.

Now talk about the spoons again. And listen to yourself. And wonder why you can stand to allow yourself to spout such imbecilic nonsense.

Last Stand

(472 posts)
3. Maybe I missed it--What is the answer to the question?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:08 PM
Dec 2012

What constructive purpose do they serve?


We know all too well what kind of DEstructive purpose they serve.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
4. How many murders are committed by assault weapons a year in this country?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:10 PM
Dec 2012

They are the most regulated weapon sold in the country.

As far as I know only one incident of a homicide has been committed with an assault weapon in the last 30 years or so.

I should add a legally bought one.

 

justanidea

(291 posts)
5. The problem is under the ban
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:12 PM
Dec 2012

Any magazines over 10 rounds were banned. And the typical simple handgun holds between 12 and 17. The only guns with less are revolvers and tiny pocket guns.

So if anyone has used a standard full sized handgun to defend themselves since 2004, the answer to your question is yes. People have defended themselves.

Oh and assault weapons were still legal during the ban

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
14. That's the problem when you let people make laws that are uninformed about firearms
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:31 PM
Dec 2012

It's feel good stuff to their constituents instead of addressing the real problems in crimes in America.

You still have members here thinking AR15's are automatics.
You have members that think having only a revolver would stop mass murder.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
9. Problem is that an assault weapon was not used according to reports
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:17 PM
Dec 2012

I and several others here have read that the assault rifle was actually found in the shooter's car after the shooting was over.

Response to joeunderdog (Original post)

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
13. It's cosmetics features that was regulated
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:26 PM
Dec 2012

Assault weapon (semi-automatic) refers primarily (but not exclusively) to firearms that possess the cosmetic features of an assault rifle (which are fully-automatic). Actually possessing the operational features, such as 'full-auto', is not required for classification as an assault weapon; merely the possession of cosmetic features is enough to warrant such classification as an assault weapon

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