tracking to see who has what gun might be a better start

We are stuck with this we really need to focus on SAFETY. It's hard for even the NRA to argue against strengthening some kind of safety measures.

argue against it unless it is more guns..

markers in explosives so they could be traced, the NRA opposed it. I think Wayne LaPiere called the FBI Jack booted thugs when GHWB suggested some kind of gun laws. GHWB actually dropped his lifetime membership in the NRA.

on edit: Give me an example where the NRA has recommended any kind of sensible laws to keep guns out of the wrong hands.

There are two kind of taggants, those to aid in detection and those for post event analysis. The former is in place and has been for some time for explosives. The latter has been shown to have no value. The real issue is environmental saturation. Few realize just how much of the building material has explosives used in production. Also several studies have shown that black powder and smokeless powder have negligible use in bombs. I think only the Swiss even have them in explosives. Nobody is using them in firearms ammunition. NRA did oppose them in ammunition for cost and potential safety risks.

I believe the NRA supported some of the NFA, GCA of 1968, and open NCICs checks for private transactions.

The reality is that while everyone is dog piling on the NRA, they are ignoring that 4 million members and much fewer who contribute to the political side (they are different whether some acknowledge it or not) can not and do not have that much influence directly. There is much broader support for private firearms in this country, especially in rural areas and flyover country than many want to acknowledge.

explosives, in that case it was fertilizer and the NRA was dead set against it. They always have some lame excuse, nobody uses black powder for bombs, taggets could damage barrels or it could be unsafe. The FBI can't even have access to firearms sales records to search for terrorists because the NRA is opposed to it. They would rather protect a terrorist than bend an inch. Fuck the NRA they are nothing but an arm of the Republican party.

Per it, they took no position except on black powder and smokeless powder.

There is a massive government study on impacts, costs, and effectiveness. It can be found on Google. A guy I knew from SAIC worked on it...a dry read.

No one is doing post event taggants except the Swiss and not always even for then. Somehow I think the EU would go with it if they thought it was useful no matte what the NRA thought.

I am not so sure about the records access for LEOs...I have certainly saw them accessed heavily, but they are limited in content.

They opposed the removal of lead from bullets (the lead was damaging wetlands when hunters missed) because this was am "unjust regulation of our gun rights." I guess asking for bullets to be environmentally friendly is one step away from slavery and patriotic americans being sent to the camps.


http://summitcountyvoice.com/2012/08/15/nra-opposing-efforts-to-regulate-lead-hunting-ammo/

Wishful thinking on my part. It doesn't even take NRA propaganda to create an extremist.

any record of the sale, the serial number of the gun or who they sell it to..

The girl who bought the guns should have been charged with being an accessory to each murder.

The Harris parents who allowed weapons to be built in their garage should have been charged as accessories.

There are many cases where a child commits a crime with a parent's gun. The parents should face serious charges with long jail terms.

It is time to get tough.
We are tough on the bartender who pours a drink for someone who later gets a DUI . Get tough with gun enablers.

telling them their children are dead?

What about the millions of children who hear about this and wonder if it can happens to them.

What about the families that must sit down at a table and talk to their kids about what done do when some crazy asshole walks into their school with a gun and starts shooting.

Registration of all guns is not infringing on gun owners rights.

Prohibiting people being treated for mental illness from having access to their guns or anyone else's isn't infringing on gun owners rights.

Twenty children and six adults, (including the shooter) had all their rights taken away by guns, permanently. Millions of parents and children in a society that has more concern for a gun owner's right to own and transfer his weapons without interference by regulation are not living in a free society.

The second amendment is not supposed to trump 1 and 3 through 27.

the gun owner is subject to equal punishment.

Maybe it would scare people out of owning guns in the first place, but I would be content with it scaring them into properly securing their toys.

those people many of you have identified as complicit. Hang a few of them a watch how fast we get regulations on sales.

I've said essentially this for years. But there must be standards, not simply the fact that someone was deceived.

It was like when I was a bartender I was liable if I served someone who was drunk and subject to a very hefty fine. Sometimes you just can't tell and without being able to administer a breathalyzer or blood test, you are liable even when you felt you had made a reasonable judgement. So the end result is that I sometimes refused service to people who were probably functional because I had to make a decision that wasn't always accurate.

Paintguns and "Airsoft" air guns but no gun powder powered weapons. Craig's list?...maybe.