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Tony_FLADEM

(3,023 posts)
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:45 PM Dec 2012

I figured out a way to get the NRA to support gun safety measures

You simply tell them innocent people who are killed because of gun violence means fewer customers for the gun industry. They will then consider the revenue that is being lost when innocent people are killed and they will start supporting gun safety measures that lower gun violence in this country.

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I figured out a way to get the NRA to support gun safety measures (Original Post) Tony_FLADEM Dec 2012 OP
What do you mean by "gun safety measures"? Recursion Dec 2012 #1
I am referring to more background checks and banning certain types of weapons that should only Tony_FLADEM Dec 2012 #2
You might have more common ground with the NRA than you think on the first one Recursion Dec 2012 #4
This is great. The NRA talking points are so transparent. morningfog Dec 2012 #12
Well I'm certainly down with that, I doubt the NRA is Recursion Dec 2012 #14
Like what weapons? rl6214 Dec 2012 #5
I'm not an expert on different types of weapons Tony_FLADEM Dec 2012 #7
Well, I don't know that most people would agree to that, but let's grant it Recursion Dec 2012 #13
Here is a video of a member of the NRA's Board of Directors threatening to shoot Obama and Hillary Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #6
Gee, that's like the Million Mom March activist who shot some kid with a TEC-9 and paralyzed him derby378 Dec 2012 #9
Is that woman currently sitting on their Board of Directors? Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #11
The NRA sells no guns rl6214 Dec 2012 #3
They are however funded by gun manufacturers Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #8
Not particularly ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #15
Unless you think $38,900,000 is nothing in particular, then yes they do donate to the NRA Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #16
NRA or the PACs? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #17
Don't try to split hairs Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #18
The NRA helps the gun industry generate revenue. That is their real purpose. Tony_FLADEM Dec 2012 #10

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
1. What do you mean by "gun safety measures"?
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:47 PM
Dec 2012

In one sense of "gun safety" the NRA is the biggest proponent of it; they give a ton of free gun safety classes.

Tony_FLADEM

(3,023 posts)
2. I am referring to more background checks and banning certain types of weapons that should only
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:52 PM
Dec 2012

be available in a combat setting.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. You might have more common ground with the NRA than you think on the first one
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:58 PM
Dec 2012

Last I checked, the NRA supports opening the NICS background check system for private-party sales (this is the "gun show loophole", though it has nothing to do with loopholes). If we could stop rhetorically beating each other up over this we would see that there's not really that much daylight between the NRA and Brady on this.

Military weapons (assault rifles, machine guns, etc.) have been for all practical purposes illegal since 1934, and have killed I think 2 people in the US since the 1950s.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
12. This is great. The NRA talking points are so transparent.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:15 PM
Dec 2012

How about requiring any private party sale to check the NICS? How about full registration for all firearms?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. Well I'm certainly down with that, I doubt the NRA is
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:17 PM
Dec 2012

If at least *allowing* it is what we can get, that's a step in the right direction, no?

Tony_FLADEM

(3,023 posts)
7. I'm not an expert on different types of weapons
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:07 PM
Dec 2012

Any type of weapon that shoots more than a certain number of bullets without having to reload most people would agree should only be used in the military.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Well, I don't know that most people would agree to that, but let's grant it
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:16 PM
Dec 2012

Let's say 10 times.

The problem is that the way most guns are built, the magazine that holds the rounds is
a separate thing from the gun and is very easy to make: it's just a box with a spring in it. It's also possible to change them pretty quickly, so 3 ten-round magazines don't take much longer at all to fire than 1 thirty-round magazine.

But, yes, it would be possible to limit all new magazines to 10 rounds, and it would be somewhat possible to go around and get the ones that people currently have (unlike the bullets themselves, the magazines don't get used up when you shoot).

It would be making precursors (to borrow a drug war term) to mass shootings more difficult to acquire. That might be effective on the margins, though our experience with the war on drugs makes me pessimistic about that. But maybe it's what we can do.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
6. Here is a video of a member of the NRA's Board of Directors threatening to shoot Obama and Hillary
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:03 PM
Dec 2012


Do you still stand by your statement that the NRA is the biggest proponents of gun safety after seeing this video of one of their national board members? If so do you believe the behavior exhibited in that video represents the type of handling of a gun that should be promoted by a gun safety organization?

derby378

(30,252 posts)
9. Gee, that's like the Million Mom March activist who shot some kid with a TEC-9 and paralyzed him
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:07 PM
Dec 2012

By your logic, the entire MMM should be held accountable for the actions of that one woman.

I'm not a member of the NRA, and I do not approve of Nugent's tirade, but you've gotta be careful with the whole "guilt by association" meme.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
11. Is that woman currently sitting on their Board of Directors?
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:12 PM
Dec 2012

You may have had a point if the NRA had fired Ted Nugent after this outburst, but he remains on their Board of Directors to this very day. Is that Million Mom March activist associated with any gun control organizations today or did they do the right thing and disassociate themselves with her?

Don't try to pretend these two situations are the same, it is very different to have a current board member than a past activist.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
16. Unless you think $38,900,000 is nothing in particular, then yes they do donate to the NRA
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:01 AM
Dec 2012
The Violence Policy Center has estimated that since 2005, gun manufacturers have contributed up to $38.9 million to the NRA. Those numbers, however, are based on publicly listed “sponsorship” levels on NRA fundraising pamphlets. The real figures could be much bigger. Like Crossroads GPS or Americans for Prosperity, or the Sierra Club for that matter, the NRA does not disclose any donor information even though it spends millions on federal elections.

And like other industry fronts, the NRA is quick to conceal its pro–gun industry policy positions as ideological commitments.

Take, for example, “The NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund.” It’s a pro–gun rights legal fund “involved in court cases establishing legal precedents in favor of gun owners.”

And who helps pick which impact-litigation cases the NRA will become involved with? Folks like James W. Porter II, a board member of the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, who doubles as an attorney whose private firm specializes in “areas of products liability defense of firearms manufacturers.” His last client, according to a search of the federal court docket, was Smith & Wesson Corporation.


http://www.thenation.com/blog/171776/does-nra-represent-gun-manufacturers-or-gun-owners#

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
18. Don't try to split hairs
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:43 AM
Dec 2012

The PACs may be seperate from the rest of the NRA by law, but for all practical purposes they represent the same murderous organization.

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