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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:14 PM Dec 2012

What does Sandy Hook have to do with Benghazi?

Sandy Hook is the perfect example of the difficulty of accurately determining the facts in the hours and days right after a crisis.

Even though the attack took place right here, in Newtown, CT, the media and/or the authorities didn't get the name of the shooter right, didn't get the weapons right, didn't get the location of the mother right, didn't get the mother's occupation right, and on and on.

And yet the Obama administration is being blamed for not supplying the media with a full and accurate report of the Benghazi attack within hours of its occurrence -- thousands of miles away, in a non-English speaking country -- and where anything we said (whether true or false) could possibly put even more Americans at risk.

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What does Sandy Hook have to do with Benghazi? (Original Post) pnwmom Dec 2012 OP
Bingo! , we have a winner... Nt pkdu Dec 2012 #1
ditto bingo nt lillypaddle Dec 2012 #24
Told us the shooter killed his father.. Just saw this pertinent tweet.. Cha Dec 2012 #2
...other than firearms, yeah, pressures of instantaneous global communications libdem4life Dec 2012 #3
Yes, but MSMs irresponsible reporting on this is more than odious... Kalidurga Dec 2012 #4
Oh lord yes, our family has been through that...and the pot that helped/helps him cope. libdem4life Dec 2012 #8
I think it is a planned diversion. They are pushing the A Simple Game Dec 2012 #17
They are attempting to use any other excuse for this besides the obvious Heather MC Dec 2012 #18
YES! UndahCovah Dec 2012 #14
you've made a connection the media will never grasp or admit to. spanone Dec 2012 #5
GMTA, I just mentioned the same thing in another post. Thanks! we can do it Dec 2012 #6
. . . pnwmom Dec 2012 #20
I have a rule about major events like this Canuckistanian Dec 2012 #7
Yes, and not just 'these days.' elleng Dec 2012 #13
couldn't help but make that connection myself. Schema Thing Dec 2012 #9
I've been so happy not to have to watch Romney get involved in all of this pnwmom Dec 2012 #21
Good points... CBHagman Dec 2012 #10
Exactly. Facts emerge slowly, elleng Dec 2012 #11
Seven times as many people were killed. macacawitz Dec 2012 #12
Good point! Tumbulu Dec 2012 #15
"didn't get the name of the shooter right" ProSense Dec 2012 #16
PLUS: there was some sort of serious breech of security about the CIA safe house, so INTELLIGENCE patrice Dec 2012 #19
Even the error in your post proves your point. Jim Lane Dec 2012 #22
You got me! Thanks! n/t pnwmom Dec 2012 #23

Cha

(297,323 posts)
2. Told us the shooter killed his father.. Just saw this pertinent tweet..
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:21 PM
Dec 2012
Roger Simon

@politicoroger Four adults killed in Benghazi and right wing politicizes it endlessly. Twenty kids slaughtered in CT and right wing tells us to shut up.


http://theobamadiary.com/2012/12/15/cherish-the-children/#comments

The goplutocratic propaganda corporatemedia can go fuck themselves..

The Social Media is going to Take Over.
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
3. ...other than firearms, yeah, pressures of instantaneous global communications
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:37 PM
Dec 2012

and the media/public addiction and huge monetary value to "being first".

Even simple (if there is such a thing) car accidents or domestic eye witnesses have multiple and often conflicting versions. It comes with traumatic violence.

Maybe tell the media to go pound sand until all the facts are in??? I know, pipe dream.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
4. Yes, but MSMs irresponsible reporting on this is more than odious...
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:44 PM
Dec 2012

I don't know how much pain the caused with their inaccurate reporting. But, there are stories out now that are completely false and it's unlikely most people will bother waiting for the facts. One of the worst things IMO is that it was reported that the shooter was autistic or an aspie. That is just what we need is people thinking that autistic and people with asperger's are violent. Or that people with mental health issues are more violent than the general public. I don't think there is any way to measure the damage something like that causes.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
8. Oh lord yes, our family has been through that...and the pot that helped/helps him cope.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:07 PM
Dec 2012

I keep hoping we are evolving, but it seems rather dire at times. I keep remembering the old Billie Holliday/Blood, Sweat and Tears Song ... God Bless the Child...here or in the other world.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
17. I think it is a planned diversion. They are pushing the
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:30 AM
Dec 2012

mental health to divert from the gun issue.

You can even see it on DU.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
18. They are attempting to use any other excuse for this besides the obvious
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:47 AM
Dec 2012

no guns no shooting period

 

UndahCovah

(125 posts)
14. YES!
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:19 AM
Dec 2012

Everything the media reported for the first 6 hours or so was false. Why don't they just wait until they know what really happened?

I blame mass, instant communication culture. People want fresh info, NOW. Never mind whether or not its accurate -- people go nuts if they don't hear the "latest, this just in, exclusive..."

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
7. I have a rule about major events like this
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:55 PM
Dec 2012

NEVER, EVER trust the news accounts in the first two days to get the basic facts right.

News organizations these days are so rabid for a scoop on ANY detail, I think they just make shit up.

I'll read the true stories tomorrow.

elleng

(130,976 posts)
13. Yes, and not just 'these days.'
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:14 AM
Dec 2012

30+- years ago, before 24/7 'news,' when I was close to some stories and the vehicles were newspapers, largely local, no stories about which I knew something were immediately correct, and/or they contained significant errors of fact.

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
9. couldn't help but make that connection myself.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:13 PM
Dec 2012


And transposing those situations, Mitt Fucking Romney would have been making critical statements before we even knew that it wasn't Ryan Lanza it was Adam Lanza; before we knew that it wasn't 1 dead 3 hospitalized, it was 27 dead, and before we knew that Adam Lanza killed his mom, at home before coming to the school.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
21. I've been so happy not to have to watch Romney get involved in all of this
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:30 AM
Dec 2012

as the smirking President-elect.

CBHagman

(16,986 posts)
10. Good points...
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:18 PM
Dec 2012

...both about the nature of establishing the facts in a story and about the political exploitation of specific situations. In the U.S. tens of thousands are killed each year in gun attacks or accidents, tens of thousands die due to inadequate medical care, but has either subject attracted the notice the right-wing press and politicians have given to the attack on the consulate in Benghazi and Susan Rice's press appearances following?

macacawitz

(19 posts)
12. Seven times as many people were killed.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:10 AM
Dec 2012

But that's just a statistic. One senseless death is completely unacceptable.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
19. PLUS: there was some sort of serious breech of security about the CIA safe house, so INTELLIGENCE
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:11 AM
Dec 2012

was not reliable.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
22. Even the error in your post proves your point.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:09 AM
Dec 2012

You write that "the attack took place right here, in Sandy Hook, CT...."

Actually, it took place in Newtown, CT, at the Sandy Hook Elementary School.

I love nitpicking, and this is the rare occasion when I can nitpick an OP and yet be supportive.

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