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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have never fired a gun
When I find that somebody owns a gun I typically no longer associate with them. I look at them as deviants of some sort.
I personally feel that gun owners are primitive and anti-social people. I don't think that rationally, but it is my prejudicial gut reaction to guns.
I think Obama's constitutional analysis is wrong, and that the 2nd Amendment does not secure a personal right, but only a states right, and thus can not be been properly incorporated under the 14th Amendment. It limits the federal government vis-a-vis the states and only the states. (That's what the militia language means. A state can, of course, enshrine a personal gun right in its state constitution. A ban on inter-state commerce in guns may be constitutional feasible... I'd consider it. Gun control states have a right to be protected from guns made elsewhere.)
Yet whenever DU boils over into gun frenzy I often find myself more on the side of the offensive gun nutsand many are indeed offensive gun nuts.
That is how bad 90% of the anti gun argument is. The dishonesty, the reaction formation, the fake history, the fake physics, the outlandish self-righteousness, the moving goal posts, the name-calling...
It's sick.
Obviously guns have to be better regulated in some way.
Equally obviously, telling gun owners they all have blood on their hands is on par with yelling "baby killer" at women entering an abortion clinic.
It feels really good for the protesters. It is fun. It is a statement of, "I am a good, wonderful person, and you are evil."
It is, however, not persuasive. It is anti-persuasive... it repels many who are not part of the mob.
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Budgies Revenge
(216 posts)I am a gun owner. I'm a single woman who lives with her two dogs in an area that was once pretty rough. I work in my studio late into the night in a fairly secluded area in the country, so I also have a conceal/carry permit. I consider myself a liberal and a Democrat and I am proud of it. I, and many like me, have been called just about every ugly name imaginable and blamed for this tragedy simply because I own guns.
I understand that emotions are running high right now. I understand there is an urge to do something, anything that will prevent tragedies like this from happening again. But here's the problem, if people on this site can't even talk to each other about guns in a civil manner, how is this country going to be able to have a debate about what should be done? You will not be able to change people's minds by calling them baby killers and wackos. It's not going to work. Hell, just hearing that talk on this site is making ME more resistant to talking about gun legislation--and I don't want to become more resistant.
tblue
(16,350 posts)I always asked if their were firearms there and felt no compunction about it.
I will never perceive gun owners as victims of gun control advocacy. I do blame gun proponents for these tragedies, for making gun manufacturers profitable, for putting anything before the safety of innocent people. I do and I won't change and I will never apologize for it. When you (anybody) can guarantee you will never have a devastating emotional or psychological crisis, and that neither will anyone who enters your home, then maybe it will be less than immoral to have a weapon designed only to kill and maim in your personal possession, IMHO. Otherwise, you reap what you sow.
LeftInTX
(25,383 posts)Asking if the parents have firearms
cali
(114,904 posts)but whatever you (or I) feel or think about the 2nd Amendment is immaterial. The individual right to bear arms has been upheld repeatedly by the SCOTUS. Don't see that being reversed.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)seriously, just read it.
you're wrong to broad brush gun owners, though I think often your description is accurate. I mean the usual suspects are digging in their heels.
leftlibdem420
(256 posts)My heart bleeds like Bernie's, but I have loved ones -- proud progressives and proud skeptics no less -- who live in the country and use a couple of guns as tools. They're not assault rifles. They're not machine guns. They're not semi-automatics. The idea that they would use their guns to harm our family's younglings is as unimaginable to me as the idea that I would ever be a right-winger.
lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)I fired guns a few times in my youth. As a result, I gained a healthy respect for them, yet I didn't freak out at the mere thought of them.
When TV bombards you with images of homicidal maniacs on TV series, movies, and news stories, you're bound to have a fearful response. You should go to a shooting range and meet real people who just happen to enjoy using guns. Then you wouldn't have that "gut reaction" you describe, because you would see that most gun owners are just everyday people who share a hobby.
I don't want a gun around, simply because I'm too accident-prone. And I think the NRA is extremist. But my past experiences aid me in viewing the gun debate without fear influencing my thinking.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Poisoning the well.
Not to say that every single extreme anti-gunner is a troll but it's my opinion that a lot of them are.
Judi Lynn
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