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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:47 AM Dec 2012

What makes America’s gun culture totally unique in the world, in four charts

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/15/what-makes-americas-gun-culture-totally-unique-in-the-world-as-demonstrated-in-four-charts/

he deadly shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary is provoking another heated round of the same conversation that the U.S. has after every mass shooting: is there something particular or unusual to our gun culture? The answer, based on this comparative data from the international Small Arms Survey, is that yes, American gun ownership rates are positively unparalleled.

These three charts show America’s gun ownership as compared to the rest of the world. In every chart, the U.S. is colored red so that it’s easy to spot. It’s also, you’ll notice, by far the highest number on every chart. This first chart shows the rate of privately owned guns per capita in every nation in the world, ranked from least to most.



Americans don’t just have more guns that anyone else – 270 million privately held firearms. They also have the highest gun ownership per capita rate in the world, with an average of about nine guns for every 10 Americans. The second highest gun ownership rate in the world is Yemen; yes, Americans have nearly twice as many guns per person as do Yemenis, who live in a conflict-torn Arab nation still dealing with poverty, political unrest, a separatist Shia insurgency, an al-Qaeda branch, and the aftereffects of a 1994 civil war.

This next chart just shows the gun ownership per capita rate for the “developed” countries, or the members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). That basically means the world’s rich countries. Some of them, such as Switzerland and Finland, are actually among the highest-ranking countries in the world by gun ownership rates. But the U.S. is still way, way ahead. Keep this chart in mind the next time someone compares U.S. gun ownership to Switzerland or to Israel.

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Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
1. "Gun ownership" in Switzerland is overrated due to the militia system.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:57 AM
Dec 2012

I have a fully automatic assault rifle locked away in my home - I've had no real choice in this (could have taken penalties and simply not gone, not an option for me) and I therefore do not consider myself a gun owner. I'm just someone stuck with an assault rifle until I finally get out of militia service in a couple of years. Discount all such cases in Switzerland and the ranking moves more to the median (although, believe it or not, Switzerland has it's own gun nut culture and there's enough people with guns even when military weapons are disregarded...).

Point being: Not all gun "ownership" is equal. Discount heavily regulated militia weapons around the world and the US become even more of an anomaly.

And while Switzerland has a high rate of gun-related deaths, most of them are suicides and accidents. There's only one case that I can remember that resembles an "American-style" massacre since I've lived here for the first time in 1992. Keep that in mind while looking at the graphs - it makes the US case just that much more anomalous...
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
3. do you have the key to that locked up gun? you could use it to go out & mass murder if you
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:15 AM
Dec 2012

chose to, yes?

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
4. Believe it or not, locking it is quite optional (criminal charges if theft aided by negligence)
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:57 AM
Dec 2012

And yes, up to a few years ago, that would have been possible. Then the good voters of Switzerland decided that maybe it would be a good idea to take away the standard-issued 50 rounds of ammo that they send you home with (of course, like in the US, these things only happen after people get killed).

As far as I know (and this part is heavily debated here), I could go and purchase ill-fitting ammo for the rifle, although it is illegal, many gun shops would probably sell a small amount (although, by law, such a sale would have to be recorded and only carried out after a real-time background check). But most would call the police if I'd asked for thousands of rounds.

If I'd be desperate to massacre people, I could slowly siphon off a couple of bullets each year during mandatory training (although it as a federal offense to remove ammo from gun ranges while in military service or on ranges tasked with military training).

So yes, technically, it would be possible. But it would be very hard to stock up on enough ammo from local sources needed for a massacre, and each individual act of acquisition would be illegal, compounding the sentence (dead people don't care, I know).

Most gun related deaths here are accidents or suicides, and when military weapons are criminally misused it's most often in the context of domestic violence. (Comes in handy for the ill-tempered folks who decide it's time to kill wife and kids.) After a spree of such incidents of domestic killings it suddenly dawned upon the good people of Switzerland that taking away the ammo might actually save some lives (and it certainly did, although I don't base that upon a scientific study, just upon how seldom "Guy kills kids and wife with military weapon"-headlines have become.

To be clear - this is not advocating for either side of the argument. I'm vehemently anti-gun, but I always feel the need to point these things out when comparisons of gun ownership are made. In many a conversation with relatives and friends back in the US, I get the impression that some think of Switzerland as "little America" when it comes to guns. That's simply not the case, and that's my point here.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
5. I'm not advocating for either side either, I don't have a gun & don't like guns. But I'm familiar
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:09 AM
Dec 2012

with a 'culture' where gun ownership was high but gun violence was low -- the farming community my parents were raised in.

Thus my basic belief that gun ownership per se is not the root cause of such mass shootings.

I don't think switzerland has had a high murder rate in living memory -- is this the case? And if I understand you right, gun laws have been tightened over the years, in the wake of some mass shooting, is that right? If so, when did that shooting happen?

Also, I'm wondering why provide a militia with guns but no/little ammunition?


Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
6. Wiki says 6.4 gun deaths per 100'000, making Switzerland 16th, 3 spots behind the US
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:31 AM
Dec 2012

Yes, gun laws have gotten stricter - as I mentioned, policy changed and you do not get a standard-issue 50 rounds to take home after military service. Also, the laws for civilian gun ownership have been tightened when they overhauled the criminal codes for possessing weapons.

Last year there was a comprehensive initiative that wanted to amend gun laws, tightening registration (central national register - registering is now done by cantons, the equivalent of states in the US), forbidding private citizens to possess fully automatic weapons, and ending the tradition of keeping the military-issued rifles at home. It was defeated 56% no to 43% yes.

Nevertheless, some changes had been made in 2010 independent of that initiative, in order to be compatible with EU law - this was mostly about banning weapons other than guns and about tightening registration mechanism (having every repair and modification on each gun registered etc.)

The last "American style" massacre (the term I used in the last post) was in 2001 when a guy stormed a local city parliament and killed 14 people. That started allot of the discussion. There hasn't been anything comparable since then.

Most of the discussion about guns in Switzerland, though, is not based on these rare cases. The debate is focused on suicides with these weapons (somewhere around 300 a year - Switzerland has very high suicide rates - and even more importantly, domestic violence done with military-issued weapons (there were 20+ such incidents in Switzerland since 2001, a quick googling session tells me).
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
7. "gun deaths" includes accidents & suicides. gun homicides = .58/100,000
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:39 AM
Dec 2012

interesting point about the suicide rate. it seems a country/culture either has one or the other, rarely both. unless it's some kind of social collapse a la russia after the collapse of the ussr.

but you didn't answer the question about what the point of having a militia gun without ammunition (or much ammunition) is. if there's some kind of national emergency what would you do?

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
9. Swiss compromises - defeating the intent of the law while making both sides happy...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:52 AM
Dec 2012

They idea of having the gun and the ammo, in case of emergency, is that you'd be able to fight your way to the local army/militia assembly point in case of war. But that kind of strategic rationale has been worthless since the First World War (geography being the main point...)

So.. why do Swiss people still have their rifles in their closets? - My take:

1) Ideology: There's something about that rifle in the closet that is taken to be culturally fundamental... It has allot to do with our founding myths and the myths we created to keep us going (being neutral, "but vigilant" during World Wars raging around us).. This is quite similar to what makes guns so omnipresent in the US, I guess...

2) A practical reason: Aside from having to do 3 weeks of military training almost every year, a member of the Swiss military must practice on a range once a year. If you'd force people to store their weapons in arsenals, the attendance rate would drop dramatically. It's quite convenient if all you have to do is open your closet. (Although attendance rates are steadily dropping even with things as they are. I haven't gone in years - I just pay the fines, which increase yearly. I think I paid 1'200 francs (almost 1:1 in USD) for not going last time, so you can figure from that how motivated I am about this issue) ....
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
10. it's kind of funny to imagine swiss fighting their way to the local armory...in these times...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:05 AM
Dec 2012

but interesting explanations, both cultural and practical.

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