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xchrom

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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:50 AM Dec 2012

CHINA WATCHES NEWTOWN: GUNS AND AMERICAN CREDIBILITY

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/evanosnos/2012/12/china-watches-newtown-guns-american-credibility.html




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One of the arguments that authoritarian governments use to ward off the call for greater political freedom is to argue that American-style democracy is no guarantee of good policy. They point to American voters who depend on government benefits but denounce the prospect of tax increases to keep up with the costs. Defenders of China’s non-democratic system point out that even as the United States is lashed by growing effects of climate change, we have failed to compel our elected leaders to do much of anything about it. Over the years, I’ve grown used to these arguments, and my response has rarely wavered: Sure, we might make dumb choices sometimes, but we will defend, to the end, the right to make choices at all, because we believe that our collective conscience, freely expressed, will eventually lead us in the right direction. When it comes to guns, it is getting harder to muster that argument abroad. Every new shooting, every new failure of will and citizenship, slashes another hole in our credibility as a way of life.

After the Newtown attack, a Chinese commentator with a nationalist bent wrote, “When I see these democratic elites pretending to condemn the murderer, it seems absurd. You are the people who sustain the gun policy. You are also the people who condemn the shooter.” And another:

As the ‘free, democratic, human-rights-based’ land of heaven, the one that has lectured other countries everyday for a hundred years about ‘freedom, democracy, and human rights,’ even to the point of armed intervention, America should calm down and examine its own gun-control policy.

It takes a lot to make China’s government—beset, as it is, by corruption and opacity and the paralyzing effects of special interests—look good, by comparison, in the eyes of its people these days. But we’ve done it. When Chinese viewers looked at the two attacks side by side, more than a few of them concluded, as this one did that, “from the look of it, there’s no difference between a ‘developed’ country and a ‘developing’ country. And there’s no such thing as human rights. People are the most violent creatures on earth, and China, with its ban on guns, is doing pretty well!”


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CHINA WATCHES NEWTOWN: GUNS AND AMERICAN CREDIBILITY (Original Post) xchrom Dec 2012 OP
The problem is not our democracy, Chemisse Dec 2012 #1
As the US spirals into third world conditions fasttense Dec 2012 #2

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
1. The problem is not our democracy,
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:57 AM
Dec 2012

it is that our democracy is being crippled by big dollars influencing elections.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
2. As the US spirals into third world conditions
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:33 AM
Dec 2012

and becomes more unequal in wealth distribution, as crony capitalism takes over and we fully embrace corporatism and we erode into a banana republic, we will see more and more violence in the street. Look at Mexico. See how bad the violence is over there? Well, we will be worse.

It's not that democracy doesn't work, it's that capitalism doesn't work. So the democratic thing to do would be to vote in very strict gun control laws which surveys show the majority of people want. But capitalism wont allow it because weapon manufacturers are making way too much money selling those guns. So, profits are elevated above the lives of victims.

It's capitalism and democracy that can't work together. But Communism, or any kind of tyrannical government, and capitalism should work out just fine.

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