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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDon't oversimplify: Guns, mental illness, family strife, and culture of violence are ALL to blame.
I dare say that so many people's desire to push their pet theory at the exclusion of everyone else's has prevented us from doing anything about it.
It's a complex problem with many contributing factors. It's time we dealt with them all in the same big conversation.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)So we have to take what we can get.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Those nations with the worst disparity between the very rich and the very poor are more violent, have lower levels of social trust and higher levels of mental illness than nations where the disparity between the very rich and the very poor is much lower.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)about it and they basically sank in favor of the simple 'it's too many guns!" stuff.
inequality ties into bullying in schools, increased economic and status competition, and a host of other factors directly related to mass shootings. 30% of mass shootings are workplace shootings; another 23% are revenge shootings with economic and status motives.
potatoslayer
(36 posts)Poverty leads to desperation.
Desperation leads to crime.
Easy access to guns make crime easier.
More crime leads to more bloodshed.
More bloodshed leads more fear.
More fear leads to less civility.
Less civility leads to less tolerance.
Less tolerance leads to less patience.
Less patience leads to more violence.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)increases status insecurity and malevolent competion.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)time getting ourselves out of this mess we have created since the 80s.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I agree that there are many pieces to this puzzle. Lets do what we can to remove the ones that we can.
Throwing up your hands with a "It is to complex to do anything about" attitude is absurd. Break the complex problem down into it's less complex parts and do something about those.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)the only reason we "cannot" control the others is because the PTB don't want to control them.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Because you jumped to that conclusion it is obvious that you are biased on this subject.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)the ptb use any tragedy to impose more restrictions on the population while ignoring root causes because that would impose regulations on *them*.
frank380
(27 posts)This individual walked into a a school and murdered little children. He was really freakin far from normal. He was criminally insane, and nothing was done about it. Apparently nobody even thought he was dangerous. And he was pretty wealthy so they could have any mental health treatment they wanted. Apparently he didn't want it.
Just like the guy who murdered 38 elementary school children in Michigan 1927 with home made bombs. He was 55 years old and he was the school board treasurer.
If we could get control of the criminally insane we could stop all of these suicide/murder attacks. All of them are actually crazy people. But I don't have any idea how to do that.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)that's progress that saved lives.
We aren't going to outlaw guns, but that doesn't mean current law is the ONLY law that can pass constitutional muster.
We can't prevent mental illness, but we can mitigate it.