The nation would just need to get by with what's already out there?

I thought I was quite clear where I stand. What part is it that you fail to understand?

I don't disagree with where you stand. Just wondered what you believe might be possible.

What a bunch of these naysayers that have responded failed to notice, is that nowhere did I say there could be no negotiating.

Is my starting point extreme? Damn right it is. Intentionally so. If there was a position further to the extreme I'd take it. I don't give up ground BEFORE the negotiations even begin, so I guess I'm not a "normal Democrat."

This is not a panacea solution, but I think it's a good starting point.
You want to shoot targets? Get a target pistol.
Want to shoot game, get a hunting rifle.
If you want a gun that is designed to kill people, what did you have in mind?

A target pistol does not need a 15-round magazine with hollow point bullets.
They aren't designed to kill people and could be designed to minimize lethality.
Hunting rifles aren't designed for a firefight.

You can kill somebody with a golf club but it wasn't designed to crush skulls.

My proposal is a starting point for discussion.
If is is built and advertised for combat, what is it doing on the open market?

... and guess what?

So can I.

I'm thinking that you have a lot of allies, but few among gun owners.
I don't think we'll make a lot progress unless we can engage them in a constructive conversation.
I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I do believe that your position is next to impossible to bring to fruition as stated.
Specifics help. All weapons? All guns?
Bows and arrows can be lethal weapons .... People have been killed with paint-ball guns.
If you cede no ground, OK, but what exactly is your ground?
Asking for clarity is all.

Misread your post

Yes you can say that rifles and shotguns don't fall into that category, but point one at a person and pull the trigger...that person is just as dead!

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Think that you're an anti-gun nut...and are just as fanatical as the gun nuts!

You have your starting position, that's great...what are you willing to ban next? What else don't you agree with, that perhaps is currently protected by the US Constitution or US law?

Provide a list, be honest...because if you're willing to go this far with guns then you're likely willing to go as far with other things you hate!

times change.

Not interested in your lame attempt to threadjack my OP.

And personally I think you are gun psycho.

All the chest beating does is drive the other side to do the same.

"I cede no ground."

And with that attitude, you won't win any, either. If the OP hadn't noticed, anti-gun people don't really have a whole lot of ground to cede at this point.

Don't we have to WIN some ground first before we have some to not cede??

And this attitude of yours ain't gonna help.

Is it defeatism to acknowledge that gun control reform, like just about anything else, is likely to come about through a series of compromises? That calling for an all out ban on all guns is not going to be taken seriously by anyone? And that no matter how emphatically you poke your chest out, that does not mean anyone is going to listen to you?

And GOD, I wish you could say 'grow the fuck up' on here without getting shut down.

... the fuck you want for all I care. I don't abuse the alert system to deal with shitheads. Have at it.

I live in the wild west, which is still wild enough that people outside the city need their long guns to shoo bears and cougars out of the trash cans. It has to be a gun rather than a firecracker because of the one animal in a million that charges. People out here also rely on that elk or deer in the freezer when they can get hunting licenses away from trophy hunters from the cities, it's a poor state.

I realize this would have done nothing to stop Lanza since he killed those kids with his Mama's Bushmaster instead of his hand guns. However, banning long guns is going to serve people west of the Mississippi, especially, very poorly.

Large ammo clips need to go away, though, along with handguns.

I would conceed that I will settle for ownership of some guns specifically used in sports hunting. Other than that, no guns period.

I guess after the upteenth gun massacre, my views on gun ownership changed drastically. I want to ban them, too. I'm sick of hearing about someone who people would never suspect of harming anyone going off one day and massacring people as they work, shop or sit in school.

I'm sick of hearing stories like the one about a former co-worker who drove to California with her new husband for their honeymoon, along with their toddler and newborn, and how as soon as they pulled up to the curb, her husband grabbed the gun from the trunk to show his brother, and how that gun discharged and killed the baby sitting in her car seat. That beautiful baby she brought into work to show everyone right after she was born.

I'm sick of hearing my current co-worker tell me how she took her rifle and confronted someone near (not ON) her property who was in sitting in their own car, and how she will kill anyone who steps foot on her property. She almost shot her husband one night because he works late and she thought he was a burglar. They keep guns propped up by their door and in their bathroom. This won't end well.

I'm sick of the NRA wiping their asses with the 2nd Amendment, as if it only belongs to them and their gun fetishist members. Fuck them. Fuck gun culture. I'm done with it!

My dad used to keep a gun around the house, and my mom ended up with it. One day my sister and I got into my mom's dresser drawer to look at it. Nothing happened, but my mom gave that gun back to my dad, and years later he used it to take his own life.

I didn't come to my current stand in one fell swoop, it has driven home to me, much like you, over a lifetime of seeing the horrors that guns CAUSE. I have had more than my fill of the NRA excuses for the slaughter happening every day in this Nation. Every member, every gun owner, and every asshole hiding behind a completely warped and twisted interpretation of the 2nd amend. has the blood of those 20 babies on their hands.

We all did.

You fail to note the "other side" has already started from the polar opposite of your position. Lo and behold, current law is smack in the middle.

And it's not good enough.

What now, genius?

Piss off, "genius."

Not a good idea, because the right-wing will start to pick and choose which amendments they don't like. We need to find real commonsense solutions that are actually workable.

We still have rural poor in this country and that's the only meat their kids see on the table. I suppose they could revert back to spears and arrows, but that wouldn't be very practical in this day and age. I don't see any reason for city people to own guns unless they are public servants like police or firemen.

Before you say "the supreme court," recall that the supreme court has already ruled that individuals have the right to keep and bear arms. I see another go at the subjet by the SCOTUS as highly unlikely.

Your move.