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global1

(25,253 posts)
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:20 PM Dec 2012

This Whole Guns Issue Thing Can't Be Good For Repugs.......

already they seem to be on the wrong side of almost every important issue facing this country now. This gun issue - in the wake of this latest tragedy - can't be good for them. It seems the sentiment of the American People is that they want something to be done to perhaps protect them better from these insane ambushes of innocents in malls, movie houses, places of worship, schools, etc.

Standing up for guns now as most Repugs do - seems contrary to the will of the People. It can't be good for them and could push them further away from the electorate going forward.

Am I over-thinking this?

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This Whole Guns Issue Thing Can't Be Good For Repugs....... (Original Post) global1 Dec 2012 OP
They want something effective done, not just "something" Recursion Dec 2012 #1
The fiasco was that there was a built-in sunset clause in the law. Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #4
No, the fiasco was that most people thought it banned semi-automatic rifles Recursion Dec 2012 #7
No, the fiasco was the sunset clause AND that it didn't go far enough. Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #9
It didn't go far enough because there's no realistic way to go get all the semi-auto rifles Recursion Dec 2012 #12
Marijuana doesn't kill from a distance (or kill at all). Guns do. Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #14
How much they kill has nothing to do with the point, and I don't see why you think that's relevant Recursion Dec 2012 #15
No issue is good for them BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #2
Faux had a chorus line of pro-gun idiots on this morning... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #3
They are not just on the wrong side but they created the issues. Skidmore Dec 2012 #5
It will be good for gun sales though. Turbineguy Dec 2012 #6
They just repeat what they're told to say. CJCRANE Dec 2012 #8
You are. It's hardening support for them by people Warpy Dec 2012 #10
actually you are under-thinking bossy22 Dec 2012 #11
No - I'm Not Saying That What Americans Want Is Gun Control - They Want To Feel Safe And Protected.. global1 Dec 2012 #17
Let us hope. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #13
Sure it is. The gun manufacturers and the NRA will no doubt increase their Aristus Dec 2012 #16

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
1. They want something effective done, not just "something"
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:23 PM
Dec 2012

If we turn this into a repeat of the 1994 assault weapons ban fiasco, people will be upset. Again.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
4. The fiasco was that there was a built-in sunset clause in the law.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:25 PM
Dec 2012

They were right for banning them, but they should've STAYED banned.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. No, the fiasco was that most people thought it banned semi-automatic rifles
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:27 PM
Dec 2012

rather than requiring those rifles not to have bayonet lugs and flash suppressors.

The weapons in both the Aurora and Newtown shootings would not have been illegal under the '94 ban.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. It didn't go far enough because there's no realistic way to go get all the semi-auto rifles
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:37 PM
Dec 2012

I would like there to be no semi-automatic rifles in civilian hands in the US (and I'm a "gun nut" by DU standards), or at least none with quickly-removable magazines.

I think actually doing it is as quixotic as our attempt to ban marijuana has been, would be as ineffective, and would carry with it as many unintended bad consequences.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
14. Marijuana doesn't kill from a distance (or kill at all). Guns do.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:44 PM
Dec 2012

Using weed to make ANY point here is foolish.

That said, a moratorium on the manufacture of ALL guns for, let's say 5 years, would remove a SHITLOAD of them from the streets.

Of course, before you start expressing concern for the employees of these manufacturers, I would recommend a government-funded retooling of these factories. Perhaps they can make coffins?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. How much they kill has nothing to do with the point, and I don't see why you think that's relevant
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:47 PM
Dec 2012

The only point is that both pot and guns are easy to make, easy to conceal, and widely desired by a lot of people.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
2. No issue is good for them
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:24 PM
Dec 2012

And, no, I don't think you're over-thinking this, because their primary response here is arming teachers, which should serve as a reminder how irresponsible and worthless they are in general.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
3. Faux had a chorus line of pro-gun idiots on this morning...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:24 PM
Dec 2012

...so, no, I don't think you're overthinking this.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
5. They are not just on the wrong side but they created the issues.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:25 PM
Dec 2012

The Republicans have harbored every poisonous snake they could cuddle up to. Now let them suffer the bites.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
8. They just repeat what they're told to say.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:28 PM
Dec 2012

No Repub got to where they are by thinking for themselves.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
10. You are. It's hardening support for them by people
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:36 PM
Dec 2012

who love their guns, and yes, a lot of people out there have exactly that relationship with firearms.

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
11. actually you are under-thinking
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:37 PM
Dec 2012

You outright assume that what they want is gun control (thats what I take away from your paragraph). In the end that may be the case but we don't know. IT could be that public sentiment falls more in line with armed school security, locked class room doors, etc.... My personal opinion is- that overall attitudes towards gun control will not really change. You might see a small bump in gun control support but it will fade. This does not mean legislative action cannot be taken

global1

(25,253 posts)
17. No - I'm Not Saying That What Americans Want Is Gun Control - They Want To Feel Safe And Protected..
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:30 PM
Dec 2012

Now that could encompass a lot of things - like education, better mental health care, better security in schools, more enforcement of current laws and yes - may incorporate some sort of so-called 'gun control' like maybe an assault weapons ban. This whole issue needs to be looked at from many perspectives - but it seems like the Repugs are dug in and perhaps prisoners to the NRA. They seem to make this an issue only about the prospect of taking away 2nd Amendment Rights and gun control. To me that puts them on the wrong side of this issue as with many other issues they have taken sides on. That is what I think can't be good for them. Isn't it interesting that most of the Sunday shows had a hard time getting Repug Senators and Congresscritters to come on and discuss this today.

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
16. Sure it is. The gun manufacturers and the NRA will no doubt increase their
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:52 PM
Dec 2012

bribes to the anti gun-control office-holders to fend off any hint of a change in the attitudes against gun control legislation.

There won't be enough room under the tree for all of the cash, expensive dinners, private jet excursions, yachting trips, golfing junkets, and think-tank appointments that pro-gun Congressmen can expect in the coming weeks and months...

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