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malaise

(269,054 posts)
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:09 PM Dec 2012

I've been cleaning windows all morning

trying to occupy myself and understand the thought process that would allow a 20 year old to pump three to seven bullets in each of 20 children between the ages of six and seven. This is beyond comprehension.

I watched Ana singing so beautifully with her little brother; I watched Emilie's father in tears and I still have more questions than answers.

Fuck all gun lovers!

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I've been cleaning windows all morning (Original Post) malaise Dec 2012 OP
I can't get it out of my head. 99Forever Dec 2012 #1
We can regulate food but not assault rifles malaise Dec 2012 #6
We can regulate driving but not firearms. This society is totally and completely coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #11
Yep malaise Dec 2012 #12
I'm having problems getting it to resonate Blue_Roses Dec 2012 #24
It defies rational understanding. 99Forever Dec 2012 #26
He could only do that with a souped up machine gun / assult weapon. That is the big problem. The Wielding Truth Dec 2012 #2
Yes those weapons must be banned n/t malaise Dec 2012 #5
I am thinking about the fear the little kids had watching their classmates shot. texanwitch Dec 2012 #3
That's what upsetting me so much malaise Dec 2012 #4
I would bet the killer got great joy watching the fear. texanwitch Dec 2012 #8
I don't want to imagine what their little bodies look like malaise Dec 2012 #9
They will need to get help dealing with this. texanwitch Dec 2012 #15
I could tell the other kids who were interviewed were scared to death. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #23
Well some were hidden in a closet when seven kids were killed malaise Dec 2012 #36
That's haunted me ever since. Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #7
You are wasting your time trying to figure it out. Rex Dec 2012 #10
You're probably correct but malaise Dec 2012 #13
I am glad you cannot. Rex Dec 2012 #14
Here we are in a place where a principal and teachers are slaughtered trying to protect malaise Dec 2012 #16
I don't know, if you look at the preamble Rex Dec 2012 #18
There will never be tranquility with assault weapons malaise Dec 2012 #20
I agree, and the name of the weapon type says it all. Rex Dec 2012 #22
The only thing I can see is that the killer was in great pain himself and was ready to go out. texanwitch Dec 2012 #17
I fear not much, the gun lobby is too powerful Rex Dec 2012 #19
His pain is one thing malaise Dec 2012 #21
I don't know why anyone would want a gun like that. texanwitch Dec 2012 #25
I wonder if the mother for one second.. HipChick Dec 2012 #27
She may have thought she had him under control. texanwitch Dec 2012 #28
Probably not malaise Dec 2012 #31
From what I heard she had taken time off of work to stay home with him. texanwitch Dec 2012 #34
I have been unable to anything productive all day... HipChick Dec 2012 #29
It has been a hard weekend. texanwitch Dec 2012 #30
Ana and her brother malaise Dec 2012 #33
That video really got me. texanwitch Dec 2012 #37
I bawled when I saw it the first time malaise Dec 2012 #43
I thoughts are with the brother, the two looked close in age. texanwitch Dec 2012 #45
I cleaned all our windows malaise Dec 2012 #32
I sorted out some boxes of stuff. texanwitch Dec 2012 #38
I have planned a different task for every day this week malaise Dec 2012 #40
I will be keeping busy this week also, little things. texanwitch Dec 2012 #44
I left the house with my wife to go christmas shopping earlier today madokie Dec 2012 #35
Same here malaise Dec 2012 #39
Saddest Christmas for me ever madokie Dec 2012 #42
I bought in my norfolk pine tree, about 4 ft. tall now. texanwitch Dec 2012 #41

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
1. I can't get it out of my head.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:14 PM
Dec 2012

Nor can I wrap my head around how we got here. And yes, fuck all gun lovers.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
12. Yep
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:47 PM
Dec 2012

We had a case here where two gunmen walked into a classroom and told the children not to make a sound - then they shot the teacher dead and left. It's not just the USA.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
24. I'm having problems getting it to resonate
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:22 PM
Dec 2012

that these beautiful children and educators have been taken in such a horrific way. Shock came first, but as the reality of their fear and the senseless of such a heinous assault on innocence soaks in, I find that I am having a hard time concentrating on much else.

There has to be something good come out of all this eventually, because I refuse to believe that these beautiful lives were lost in vain.
..

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
26. It defies rational understanding.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:41 PM
Dec 2012

Then listening to the gun nuts...


As I looked at the pictures of slaughtered angels, I realized that the lunatics are indeed, running the asylum.

There are no words strong enough to express my distaste for every gun, for every gun owner, or anyone that supports them.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
3. I am thinking about the fear the little kids had watching their classmates shot.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:16 PM
Dec 2012

It didn't take long but it would seem a life time if you were there.

Bless the children.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
4. That's what upsetting me so much
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:20 PM
Dec 2012

Six and seven years olds watching each other bleeding and dying - no kid should have to deal with that.
I can't imagine their fear

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
8. I would bet the killer got great joy watching the fear.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:46 PM
Dec 2012

This has to be on their parents mind also.

I could only guess what the little bodies look like.

May the families find some way to deal with this, and find some kind of peace.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
15. They will need to get help dealing with this.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:54 PM
Dec 2012

I know someone who was EMT, not anymore.

He lasted almost 10 years, he has PTSD.

He told me that you can only suck it up for so long.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
23. I could tell the other kids who were interviewed were scared to death.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:15 PM
Dec 2012

None of them were in a classroom where anyone was shot. They were the ones who hid and stayed alive.

So I don't want to imagine the fear of the kids who actually witnessed the shootings.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
36. Well some were hidden in a closet when seven kids were killed
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:53 PM
Dec 2012

I hope they didn't see anything but they sure heard.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
10. You are wasting your time trying to figure it out.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:37 PM
Dec 2012

That is like trying to understand the way someone is crazy, thinks.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
13. You're probably correct but
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:48 PM
Dec 2012

I just can't fathom anyone killing 20 young children in this way. That's a new level of madness.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. I am glad you cannot.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:51 PM
Dec 2012

I would be worried if you could. I know, this is so horrific that the word pales in comparison to the deed. As a former teacher, I am trying not to think about what happened too much. It is so disturbing.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
16. Here we are in a place where a principal and teachers are slaughtered trying to protect
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:01 PM
Dec 2012

students so that the fucking NRA and their gun lovers can access any weapon they wish. Clearly their rights are more important than the safety of schools - how did we reach here.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
18. I don't know, if you look at the preamble
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:08 PM
Dec 2012

'We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.'

Seems 'domestic tranquility' and 'general welfare' are given lip service in modern times.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. I agree, and the name of the weapon type says it all.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:13 PM
Dec 2012

ASSAULT. Civilians do not need to assault anyone or anything, period. That is for law enforcement and the military.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
17. The only thing I can see is that the killer was in great pain himself and was ready to go out.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:02 PM
Dec 2012

He wanted to cause as much pain as possible on the way out for others to feel.

I don't know if any notes have been found left by him.

I know someone who killed herself, how she was feeling.

We tried to get her help, she just wanted to go.

I don't know what you can do.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
21. His pain is one thing
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:12 PM
Dec 2012

but neither his mother or the murderer should have had access to a Bushmaster

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
25. I don't know why anyone would want a gun like that.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:39 PM
Dec 2012

It isn't for hunting.

It is just for killing.

People like the killer's mother is a mystery to me.

Also keeping guns around a son who has problems, the woman was crazy.

She paid the price, she died by her own guns.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
28. She may have thought she had him under control.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:52 PM
Dec 2012

It looks like the killer was a pressure cooker ready to blow.

We don't know what the Mother was like either.

Maybe she tried to stop him when he killed her.

We will never know, the both dead.


texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
34. From what I heard she had taken time off of work to stay home with him.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:52 PM
Dec 2012

He was adult.

Unless she had a medical power of attorney there is only so much she could do.

I am guessing she was worried about something.

To bad she didn't have enough sense to get the guns out of the house.

She paid the price, and took a lot of people with her.

Hope this wakes a lot of gun owners up.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
30. It has been a hard weekend.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:40 PM
Dec 2012

So many young children being killed is so hard to handle.

I don't think there has been a dry eye in the country.

It is good to talk about it, to get it out.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
45. I thoughts are with the brother, the two looked close in age.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:09 PM
Dec 2012

How do explain that his sister is not coming back.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
32. I cleaned all our windows
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:47 PM
Dec 2012

and washed and ironed the bedroom drapes and it is a rare event for me to iron anything - I needed the distraction

malaise

(269,054 posts)
40. I have planned a different task for every day this week
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:00 PM
Dec 2012

By the way I heard that Victoria Soto's sister tweeted that she's going to meet President Obama - and she's wearing her big sister's clothes.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
44. I will be keeping busy this week also, little things.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:05 PM
Dec 2012

I think we will all be crying again when the President starts talking.

So much emotion.

Victoria Soto was a true hero, she put her safety last.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
35. I left the house with my wife to go christmas shopping earlier today
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:52 PM
Dec 2012

could not get into the spirit, sorry

I say get the weapons of war off our streets and do it now. This shows that a gun can not be trusted to do the right thing, many of the owners of said guns either

malaise

(269,054 posts)
39. Same here
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:58 PM
Dec 2012

We didn't go to a fair we pass through every year - fugg Christmas this year. I'll cook for our friends as usual, but I'm not even buying one present. We didn't go to our Union party last night and I'm staying away from all parties. I have four grand nieces and a grand nephew - all between three and eight. They shouldn't have to face this anytime, but good grief not a week from Christmas- they are what it's all about. A week out they should be looking for presents or heading for the mall with family.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
41. I bought in my norfolk pine tree, about 4 ft. tall now.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:01 PM
Dec 2012

I but some lights on it.

Couldn't do more then that right now.

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