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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:44 PM Dec 2012

Gun Violence Will Only Stop When We Address The Violent Currents in Our Collective Consciousness

It's a philosophical conversation that needs to happen.

It’s the holistic view that encompasses all the various components: guns > mental illness > dysfunctional families >society > violence.

Unfortunately, a huge stumbling block is that so many people who are otherwise open-minded and truly believe we are all connected either don't believe there is a Collective Consciousness or if they do, don't see the implications of it.

If you start from the position there is a Collective Consciousness then you accept that one ripple in the mass pool of our Group Mind ultimately effects us all.

Think of the ocean with inlets all around the bodies of land. Our bodies are the shoreline. The Collective Consciousness is the ocean and our minds are its many inlets. Effluence/Pollution in one inlet ultimately effects the entire ocean especially considering the way resonance occurs amongst an entire group’s members.

Even harder to overcome is the resistance so many have to the concept that, since the Collective Consciousness exists beyond physical space, our thoughts and personal behavior can negatively impact the whole.

We need to have a philosophical discussion. And it needs to go beyond individual, segregated elements and demonization.

Be the change you want to see in the world. If we want peace then we need to habitually seek out peaceful thoughts & behaviors. Try to take an honest look at what tv shows, music & games we habitually focus on. Are they violent? If they are, why not try more peaceful alternatives? Do we as a society and as individuals really value peace in EVERY aspect of our being?

When confronted with violence do we do our best to transmute that energy & not perpetuate it?

There is a philosophical conversation that needs to happen.

I wish I was better able to elaborate the subject or in a position to help facilitate it.

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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
3. You mean like Prohibition decreased alcohol consumption? Or the "War on Drugs" decreased drug use?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:50 PM
Dec 2012

I do think there should be restrictions. I don't think they alone will solve anything.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
7. Yes because they are exactly equivalent.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:55 PM
Dec 2012

I forgot how many mass murders attacked schools with whiskey. Good point

ThatPoetGuy

(1,747 posts)
8. Yes, because it's so easy to make an assault rifle with a backyard distillery.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:14 PM
Dec 2012

Australia banned guns, and they didn't face ANY of the problems America's right wing wants you to believe in.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
10. There have been mass shootings in many countries outside the US. Denmark last year, for instance.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:59 PM
Dec 2012

Simply banning guns does nothing to solve the underlying problem.

It may be an important step but it ignores the larger, underlying issues.

Dunblane, Scotland 16 children and one teacher killed at Dunblane Primary School by Thomas Hamilton, who then killed himself. 10 others wounded in attack.

Sanaa, Yemen Eight people (six students and two others) at two schools killed by Mohammad Ahman al-Naziri.

Taber, Alberta, Canada One student killed, one wounded at W. R. Myers High School in first fatal high school shooting in Canada in 20 years. The suspect, a 14-year-old boy, had dropped out of school after he was severely ostracized by his classmates.

Veghel, Netherlands One teacher and three students wounded by a 17-year-old student.

Branneburg, Germany One teacher killed by a 15-year-old student, who then shot himself. The shooter has been in a coma ever since.

Jan, Sweden One student killed by two boys, ages 17 and 19.
March 5, 2001

Freising, Germany Two killed in Eching by a man at the factory from which he had been fired; he then traveled to Freising and killed the headmaster of the technical school from which he had been expelled. He also wounded another teacher before killing himself.

Erfurt, Germany 13 teachers, two students, and one policeman killed, ten wounded by Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, at the Johann Gutenberg secondary school. Steinhaeuser then killed himself.

Vlasenica, Bosnia-Herzegovina One teacher killed, one wounded by Dragoslav Petkovic, 17, who then killed himself.
October 28, 2002

Carmen de Patagones, Argentina Three students killed and 6 wounded by a 15-year-old Argentininan student in a town 620 miles south of Buenos Aires.

Montreal, Canada Kimveer Gill, 25, opened fire with a semiautomatic weapon at Dawson College. Anastasia De Sousa, 18, died and more than a dozen students and faculty were wounded before Gill killed himself.

Tuusula, Finland An 18-year-old student in southern Finland shot and killed five boys, two girls, and the female principal at Jokela High School. At least 10 others were injured. The gunman shot himself and died from his wounds in the hospital.
Feb. 8, 2008

Kauhajoki, Finland A 20-year-old male student shot and killed at least nine students and himself at a vocational college in Kauhajok, 330km (205 miles) north of the capital, Helsinki.

Winnenden, Germany Fifteen people were shot and killed at Albertville Technical High School in southwestern Germany by a 17-year-old boy who attended the same school.

Azerbaijan, Baku A Georgian citizen of Azerbaijani descent killed 12 students and staff at Azerbaijan State Oil Academy. Several others were wounded.

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil A 23-year-old former student returned to his public elementary school in Rio de Janeiro and began firing, killing 12 children and seriously wounding more than a dozen others, before shooting himself in the head. While Brazil has seen gang-related violence in urban areas, this was the worst school shooting the country has ever seen.

Tyrifjorden, Buskerud, Norway A gunman disguised as a policeman opened fire at a camp for young political activists on the island of Utoya. The gunman kills 68 campers, including personal friends of Prime Minister Stoltenberg. Police arrested Anders Behring Breivik, a 32-year-old Norwegian who had been been linked to an anti-Islamic group.

Toulouse, France Mohammed Merah, a French man of Algerian descent, shot and killed a rabbi, two of his children, and another child at a Jewish school. Police believe he had earlier shot and killed three paratroopers. Merah said he was a member of Al Qaeda and that he was seeking revenge for the killing of Palestinian children.



Read more: Time Line of Worldwide School Shootings — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html#ixzz2FG6ZA8Do

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
13. Population of your sample, about 6.5 billion
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:06 PM
Dec 2012

Population of our sample, about 350 million.

And yet you managed to still find fewer. Almost as if gun control laws work.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
4. Thank you. Thank you!
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:50 PM
Dec 2012

This is the conversation we need to start having.

I'm being beaten by people on this forum for suggesting that this is a parenting problem.

It all looks so complicated. It isn't. But if one wants to look just at parenting, we see the root causes of ADD. We see children being raised by their own peers, instead of by parents. And even when raised by parents, the economic inequality, passing along of abusive experiences to children, lack of health care, high paced modern society, all add up to emotional traumas that are at the root of these problems.

I think your post really nails the heart of this discussion.

arthritisR_US

(7,288 posts)
6. Damn fine OP, IMHO. We changed our collective
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:53 PM
Dec 2012

conscience with respect to smoking and drinking and driving so it can be done. The collective will has got to be there and perhaps the deaths of these beautiful babes will be the catalyst for change.

arthritisR_US

(7,288 posts)
11. Absolutely! Don't buy into the NRA dogma,
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:01 PM
Dec 2012

change the meme. I'm so sick of 2nd Amendment BS trumping the lives of babes

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
12. I couldn't agree more, KittyWampus. You left of one VERY important component: POVERTY
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:47 PM
Dec 2012

A big part of what creates havoc and desperation leading to drugs/crime/mental illness is the insecurity that comes with poverty or even sometimes the threat (fear) of poverty in a capitalist society where there is no soft landing place. I agree we need to rethink the whole direction this world is headed, and which the corporate media is so quick to glorify with endless coverage.

It's time for this conversation to begin in a major way.

And one suggestion (on edit):

I think we should present it to the NRA/GOP:

You've got ONE YEAR from the day of the shooting in Connecticut to come up with a PLAN, and some LEGISLATION that is acceptable to a great majority of America on how to prevent this type of massacre WITHOUT outlawing guns, and WITHOUT increasing police protection at every school. If the NRA/GOP cannot do that, then we all agree that gun ownership should be SEVERELY limited, and hunting guns should be licensed to ONLY those who have had a psyche evaluation, and after going through several layers of clearance. The psyche evaluation would need to be re-done every year for the license to be renewed.

If they want to have guns be legal, they have to come up with a way to make the rest of us safe.

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