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bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:48 PM Dec 2012

I a have a question on the old semi-automatic weapon ban (1994-2004)

Did it ban possession of the said weapons acquired back when they were legal? Or did it only ban the sale, manufacture and distribution of such guns? In other words, did people who bought the guns legally pre-1994 have to turn them in to the government once the new law came into effect?

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flcookie

(1 post)
6. Banned Rifles
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:00 PM
Dec 2012

I believe this if the rifle (Carbine) that was used in WW11.
The very one that Obama and the UN are banning from being returned to the US for gun collectors, etc.
My sister-in-law's uncle invented this rifle, and it's a shame that it can't be sent back to it's "home country".
He was called "Carbine" Williams 'til the day he died....

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
2. no, banned only new manufacture and possession, apparently.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:54 PM
Dec 2012

During the period when the AWB was in effect, it was illegal to manufacture any firearm that met the law's flowchart of an assault weapon or large capacity ammunition feeding device, except for export or for sale to a government or law enforcement agency.

The law also banned possession of illegally imported or manufactured firearms, but did not ban possession or sale of pre-existing 'assault weapons' or previously factory standard magazines that were legally redefined as large capacity ammunition feeding devices. This provision for pre-ban firearms created a higher price point in the market for such items, which still exist due to several states adopting their own assault weapons ban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
5. So such a policy could take years to realy yield benefits
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:58 PM
Dec 2012

1. There would be a big rush to buy them up before the law hit the books.

2. There would be a black market to trade and sell the existing guns; or traffic them into the US illegally.

3. Due to scarcity and illegality, their value would go up; that might be good if it priced many people out of owning them, but as we see. plenty of these spree killings happen in affluent communities done by people who have the means to buy quite a large arsenal.

4. Over many years these weapons would eventually vanish, but it would take awhile.

I'm still weighing the utility of this policy. I ask you all to give me some space.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
11. Yep. 'Bout a century.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:09 PM
Dec 2012

Most any gun if it is even half way cared for is good for several decades if not centuries.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. The Assault Weapons Ban allowed weapons produced before the ban was in effect to be sold
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:55 PM
Dec 2012

after the ban. No one had to turn in a weapon (or magazine) that was legal before the ban.

Please See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

Lasher

(27,597 posts)
4. The 1994 Gun Control Act did not ban all semi-automatic firearms.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:57 PM
Dec 2012

However, it did grandfather ownership of guns that it prohibited sale, manufacture, and importation of.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. It banned manufacture or importation of....
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:06 PM
Dec 2012

1. Semi-automatic rifles with three or more of the following characteristics:
* Folding stock
* Pistol grip
* Detachable magazine
* Bayonet lug
* Threaded barrel
* Flash suppressor

2. Semi-automatic pistols with two or more of the following characteristics:
* A magazine in front of the grip
* A barrel shroud
* A threaded barrel
* An unloaded weight of more than 4 pounds

3. Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following characteristics:
* Folding stock
* Pistol grip
* Detachable magazine
* Internal magazine with 5 or more rounds

4. A specific list of brands and models (mostly cheap, shoddy handguns made by a few of the "bad apple" gunmakers; it was basically a way to put those specific companies out of business, which is fine with me).

Note that except for the magazine capacity features, every single one of these is on there not because they have any safety issues, but because suburban people find guns with those features "look scary". In particular, the pistol grip is significantly safer than the traditional grip.

The result was that AR-15's (the rifles that look like M-16's) and SKS's (the rifles that look like AK-47's) had to have their bayonet lugs taken off. And yet I keep hearing over and over that I must be "crazy" for thinking it was a stupid law.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
9. It banned manufacturing and importing firearms with certain characteristics
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:08 PM
Dec 2012

It didn't ban possession, or transfers of used firearms.

In other words, did people who bought the guns legally pre-1994 have to turn them in to the government once the new law came into effect?

No. The end result was a huge expansion in the number of manufacturers of perfectly legal not-quite-assault weapons, a proliferation of interest groups, and sales of millions more firearms that were similar to the banned ones.

SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
10. The AWB was almost entirely cosmetic
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:09 PM
Dec 2012

it did ban manufacturing of new large clips, but did NOT ban the possession of the pre existing ones.



Assault weapon (semi-automatic) refers primarily (but not exclusively) to firearms that possess the cosmetic features of an assault rifle (which are fully-automatic). Actually possessing the operational features, such as 'full-auto', is not required for classification as an assault weapon; merely the possession of cosmetic features is enough to warrant such classification as an assault weapon. Semi-automatic firearms, when fired, automatically extract the spent cartridge casing and load the next cartridge into the chamber, ready to fire again; they do not fire automatically like a machine gun; rather, only one round is fired with each trigger pull.
In the former U.S. law, the legal term assault weapon included certain specific semi-automatic firearm models by name (e.g., Colt AR-15, TEC-9, non-select-fire AK-47s produced by three manufacturers, and Uzis) and other semi-automatic firearms because they possess a minimum set of cosmetic features from the following list of features:


A semi-automatic Yugoslavian M70AB2 rifle.


An Intratec TEC-DC9 with 32-round magazine; a semi-automatic pistol formerly classified as an Assault Weapon under Federal Law.
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
12. It wasn't a semi-automatic weapon ban at all..
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:10 PM
Dec 2012

semi automatics have never been banned, only certain weapons which looked scary were banned, the exact same weapons with a couple of cosmetic feature changes were perfectly legal. And, as others have stated, "pre-ban" guns were perfectly legal to sell, as were high capacity magazines made prior to the ban.

 

k2qb3

(374 posts)
14. It banned cosmetic features on some rifles and the sale of new magazines over 10 rnds.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:10 PM
Dec 2012

The weapons were still available, you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a ban compliant AR and one that wasn't.

"pre-ban" rifles and magazines were readily available and fully transferrable.

The "post ban" new production rifle sold '94-04 would have its bayonet lug removed and the stock would not be adjustable for length, that's about it.

You could still buy the parts to build rifles in illegal configuration, they actually got cheaper because there was less demand for the parts.

High capacity magazine prices increased in certain cases, particularly for glocks because they hadn't been on the market long enough for a big supply to become available, but most semi-auto designs are old and there are many millions of the magazines available for them.

That's more true today, since the magazine ban gave people a reason to stock up and magazines are cheap. There are hundreds of millions of high capacity magazines in private hands today.

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