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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI can't believe Lieberman's comments
He joined in with the "Violent video games are the cause" crowd.
Give us a break, Joe. The reason these weapons are used is because they are available to be used. Put it this way: you would sleep with Liz Hurley if she were to offer herself to you. But she is unavailable to you, so you will never get the chance. It would never cross your mind to try.
So make assault weapons about as available to the public as Liz Hurley is to you, and the result will be the same--as many people will be killed by assault rifles as you had orgasms with Liz Hurley.
Capito?
Panasonic
(2,921 posts)Capisce is the correct spelling.
Otherwise I approve of this poast!
Panasonic
(2,921 posts)A very old DU joke and also goes back even before DU in the netnews (NNTP feeds)
yodermon
(6,143 posts)k2qb3
(374 posts)But I'm pretty sure I couldn't build Liz Hurley in my garage.
yourout
(7,531 posts)galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)Initech
(100,081 posts)MurrayDelph
(5,299 posts)he would have blamed comic books.
NealK
(1,870 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,841 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)sheshe2
(83,791 posts)You are embarrassment to the Great State of Connecticut, and those citizens you swore to serve.
Twenty Children, Babies really, WERE SHOT TO DEATH in your state.Six adults were also hunted down and killed!!!
And you are blaming video games...not the guns that carry 30 rounds that are meant to cause the most damage in the shortest amount of time.
This is your state...and this is your only response to the carnage that happened there. Go away Joe...FU...go join the NRA whose ass you kiss. The State if Connecticut does not want you!
leftlibdem420
(256 posts)If the only alternative were Linda McMahon, I would even take her over Lieberman.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)but so are the violent videos, movies and tv. I cringe when I see very young children killing dozens on a video game. And the glut of gun violence on tv and movies cant be good.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I do not believe video games alone cause that kind of violence. Yes, the military uses software to train soldiers with video game style gaming, but that is coupled with other conditioning that the average civilian does not receive.
Honestly, there is no one cause.
I'm going to look up Path To Violence. I just heard it mentioned on 60 Minutes. Apparently it is a list of the most common things mass shooters do in the weeks leading up to their crimes. Apparently, they all have a few actions in common leading up to their crimes. I never knew that. That, to me, looks like a starting point to learn at least what to look for.
I'm sick of the scapegoating of this group of people and that group of people and reaching for anything and anyone to blame on DU. I'm going to go learn about actual signs to look for in people and try to learn more before I make any other hard set views or opinions on broad sweeping topics.
All I do know is that violent video games are not a singular cause, because many many people play them and never do such horrific acts, wouldn't dream of it.
And I know that mentally ill people are not ALL violent like many on DU have claimed. Some are, yes, but not even the majority. I went years and years and years with NO medication (because my doctors could not find the right medication because so many psychiatrists and psychologists misdiagnosed me for so long). I never once even thought of ever hurting people and I have been around guns my entire life. Guns are just part of life where I live, not held in gangsta style poses to try to look cool or carried to intimidate other people, but just around for hunting or home defense or target practice. I was never any danger to anyone and even today my family knows I know gun safety and would never use a gun to hurt people.
Yes, I am pro gun control, but also pro 2nd amendment at the same time. I do believe good gun control coupled with enforcement of those laws (which seems to be a problem with the gun show loopholes and whatnot) would help a lot. I do believe we need to have tighter laws and better enforcement of those laws, but damn, that doesn't mean I am against the Bill of Rights nor does it mean I think people should go around shooting children either. Fuck, what's with the oversimplification and extremism on both ends of the spectrum so many are exhibiting right now?
The problem I am having here on DU since this happened is that the extremists on both sides just piss me the fuck off. No wonder the admins of this site normally lock them up in the Gungeon to duke it out with each other. Talk about "unstable" people. Fuck!
My main reason for going into detail about this is that I am one mentally ill person who objects to being blamed for this as if I am some asshole sitting around plotting to kill children. Fuck that. I resent being placed in the same category as a mass murderer that way. I would never do such a thing, with medication or without. And I am not the only one.
I need a break from this current incarnation of DU and all the mindless reaching for scapegoats, the anger, the hate, all of the bullshit being said here...pronto. No one is thinking clearly and no one seems to understand that they are exhibiting signs of misplaced aggression toward people INSIDE the same political party as them. We agree on DU on far more than we disagree. Too bad so much anger is being directed at each other instead of putting blame where it belongs, with the individual person who committed this atrocity. That is the person responsible for all of this horror, sadness, grief, the destroyed lives, the lives ended all too soon, the children who had to witness it all too. Yes, that person is dead and we cannot prosecute them because they took their own life too. That is very frustrating.
Directing anger at those who are equally horrified by what happened is no way to put a stop to the terror of mass shooters. Too bad so many here are in such a blind rage that they cannot see that.
NealK
(1,870 posts)lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)I loved her very much and lost her five years ago. She was a beautiful person inside and out who never committed a violent act in her life. My only regret in my relationship with her is that I could not do more to help her. I did all that I could, but it was not enough. I totally agree with you that it is irresponsible and down-right offensive to say that mentally ill people are all violent. In my own arena, my sister's life was a living testament that disproves that assertion.
Regards,
Sam
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)people all over the world watch violent movies and play those video games, so why does the great majority of these shooting happen in the US???
Pacman and Mario are to blame!
Wolf Frankula
(3,601 posts)The man who is SO bipartisan he always votes against his own side. Give it up you old whore. You are irrevelant. Go work for Likkud, you lackey.
Wolf
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Violent media is desensitizing our children to violence. We see it at school all the time.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)We hunted and killed each other 1000s of times over.
Not in video games, but in the parks and the large cemetery near where we lived.
I just don't think the video games could make the killing more real then actually running through an actual landscape holding a weapon (toy as it was), and then killing a friend.
I recall laying dead on the ground, after having been killed, looking up at the sky, waiting for my team, or the other to win. If you were dead, you could not call out or warn your team. You were dead.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)These video games are so realistic.
Whatever it is, it is a reality that our kids are more violent today. We see it at school all the time.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I had a friend who's mother died when her husband's gun (a cop) accidentally went off.
The sister of another kid I knew was killed when her younger brother found dad's gun and was showing it off. She told her to give it to her so she could take it home. It went off, and she was killed.
A guy I worked with back in the 80s shot himself. No one was sure why.
And the guy who killed the kids and teachers this week ... he was 20 years old, not a kid.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)It was 30 years ago and he's never gotten over it. He's dealt with drug and alcohol abuse for all of his adult life.
I teach in the hood. I know lots of kids affected by violence, kids with parents in prison, kids who have seen people murdered.
But none of that changes what I see every day at school. What every teacher sees. Our kids are much more violent today than they were even 10 years ago. And the ones who spend more time playing violent video games are the worst. That's the reality. None of my life experiences can change that.
Johonny
(20,851 posts)If we are all so desensitized to this violence, why is this school shooting such a "holy fuck I can't believe it happen" to the entire society. You push reset and just keep playing a video game, so as some researchers have pointed out, something between simulated violence and an actual shooter killing your classmates doesn't compute. All weekend I just haven't seen a lot of people desensitized, instead I've seen a lot of people acutely sensitive to this act.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)It's not just the massacres. It happens every day which is far too often.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)without the same results?
Johonny
(20,851 posts)People that blame American culture have to explain why the vast majority of movies, TV shows, music and video games are available all over the western world. Yet gun violence is vastly higher here than everywhere else. If that is somehow the magic answer you have to add a lot of supporting evidence.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)nt
UTUSN
(70,711 posts)dembotoz
(16,808 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)It's one of the ways they appealed to Middle Class Baby Boomer parents after they threw Labor under the bus.
Mira
(22,380 posts)Thanks.
riverbendviewgal
(4,253 posts)looking for a job on Fox News
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)He'll be out of office within weeks.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Through games, movies and music.
This is a fact.
I don't know why anyone would want to take examination of such truth off the table when trying to determine how to prevent tragedies such as the one we have just seen.
There is also a mental health aspect.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)That is where this "glorification" started. "We're number ONE!"
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)That puts "Do Not Attempt" captions for commercials that do something no one in their right mind would attempt. It's the dumbing down Joe, not the video games.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)No? Yes? If so, aren't video games required to be rated X or something?