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DFW

(54,409 posts)
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:12 PM Dec 2012

I can't believe Lieberman's comments

He joined in with the "Violent video games are the cause" crowd.

Give us a break, Joe. The reason these weapons are used is because they are available to be used. Put it this way: you would sleep with Liz Hurley if she were to offer herself to you. But she is unavailable to you, so you will never get the chance. It would never cross your mind to try.

So make assault weapons about as available to the public as Liz Hurley is to you, and the result will be the same--as many people will be killed by assault rifles as you had orgasms with Liz Hurley.

Capito?

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I can't believe Lieberman's comments (Original Post) DFW Dec 2012 OP
Nitpick. Panasonic Dec 2012 #1
post n/t agracie Dec 2012 #5
It's a old joke Panasonic Dec 2012 #7
Usenet. ;P yodermon Dec 2012 #31
haven't tried... k2qb3 Dec 2012 #2
And my magazine certainly does not have more than 5 rounds. yourout Dec 2012 #4
Read "On Killing" by Grossman. Educate yourself. galileoreloaded Dec 2012 #3
He's been touting that shit since the early 90's. Not surprising at all. Initech Dec 2012 #6
Sixty years ago MurrayDelph Dec 2012 #8
And those moving pictures on a screen. NealK Dec 2012 #14
Just shocking. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2012 #21
And before that, dime novels JHB Dec 2012 #35
Really Joe...Seriously? sheshe2 Dec 2012 #9
He's gone in a few weeks, and good riddance... leftlibdem420 Dec 2012 #40
There can be more than one cause. Having guns available is certainly part of the problem rhett o rick Dec 2012 #10
He has always been in that camp. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #11
Well said. NealK Dec 2012 #13
This is the wisest post on DU right now! - n/t lbrtbell Dec 2012 #33
My sister just one and one-half years older than I had mental health issues Samantha Dec 2012 #44
as someone else reasoned CatWoman Dec 2012 #12
Yeah. NealK Dec 2012 #15
But But This is Joe Lieberman Wolf Frankula Dec 2012 #16
I disagree. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #17
During the 70s and 80s, my friends and I reenacted our favorite WWII moves, over and over. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #32
It's the realism aspect proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #38
In the 80s, in high school, I had a kid put a gun to my head. That's pretty real. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #39
I have a friend whose dad accidentally killed his mom. He's a mess. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #41
The kids coming out of that school didn't look all desensitized Johonny Dec 2012 #43
So violent video games explains the 163 killed per week due to guns in 2010? neverforget Dec 2012 #18
Then why are those same games played by people in other countries PA Democrat Dec 2012 #19
this is pretty much my question too Johonny Dec 2012 #24
Are they consumed at the same rate? loyalsister Dec 2012 #25
Joementum just BE AWAY n/t UTUSN Dec 2012 #20
he is a putz color him gone dembotoz Dec 2012 #22
Most "Third Way" idiots spout the "Video Games are the Devil" shit. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #23
I'm happy I got to read something so worthy of a healthy chuckle tonight. Mira Dec 2012 #26
Joe is an old man riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #27
Just ignore him bluestateguy Dec 2012 #28
do Canadians and Japanese not play the same games as we do ? JI7 Dec 2012 #29
There is a glorification of murder and violence in our society. Skip Intro Dec 2012 #30
You left out WAR Politicalboi Dec 2012 #37
"Holy" Joe is a fucking roller... Taverner Dec 2012 #34
I wonder if we are the only country Politicalboi Dec 2012 #36
Have there been studies on this? Seems to me it would desensitize people to violence. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #42
 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
7. It's a old joke
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:57 PM
Dec 2012

A very old DU joke and also goes back even before DU in the netnews (NNTP feeds)

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
9. Really Joe...Seriously?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:19 PM
Dec 2012

You are embarrassment to the Great State of Connecticut, and those citizens you swore to serve.

Twenty Children, Babies really, WERE SHOT TO DEATH in your state.Six adults were also hunted down and killed!!!

And you are blaming video games...not the guns that carry 30 rounds that are meant to cause the most damage in the shortest amount of time.

This is your state...and this is your only response to the carnage that happened there. Go away Joe...FU...go join the NRA whose ass you kiss. The State if Connecticut does not want you!

 

leftlibdem420

(256 posts)
40. He's gone in a few weeks, and good riddance...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:29 PM
Dec 2012

If the only alternative were Linda McMahon, I would even take her over Lieberman.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
10. There can be more than one cause. Having guns available is certainly part of the problem
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:29 PM
Dec 2012

but so are the violent videos, movies and tv. I cringe when I see very young children killing dozens on a video game. And the glut of gun violence on tv and movies cant be good.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
11. He has always been in that camp.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:39 PM
Dec 2012

I do not believe video games alone cause that kind of violence. Yes, the military uses software to train soldiers with video game style gaming, but that is coupled with other conditioning that the average civilian does not receive.

Honestly, there is no one cause.

I'm going to look up Path To Violence. I just heard it mentioned on 60 Minutes. Apparently it is a list of the most common things mass shooters do in the weeks leading up to their crimes. Apparently, they all have a few actions in common leading up to their crimes. I never knew that. That, to me, looks like a starting point to learn at least what to look for.

I'm sick of the scapegoating of this group of people and that group of people and reaching for anything and anyone to blame on DU. I'm going to go learn about actual signs to look for in people and try to learn more before I make any other hard set views or opinions on broad sweeping topics.

All I do know is that violent video games are not a singular cause, because many many people play them and never do such horrific acts, wouldn't dream of it.

And I know that mentally ill people are not ALL violent like many on DU have claimed. Some are, yes, but not even the majority. I went years and years and years with NO medication (because my doctors could not find the right medication because so many psychiatrists and psychologists misdiagnosed me for so long). I never once even thought of ever hurting people and I have been around guns my entire life. Guns are just part of life where I live, not held in gangsta style poses to try to look cool or carried to intimidate other people, but just around for hunting or home defense or target practice. I was never any danger to anyone and even today my family knows I know gun safety and would never use a gun to hurt people.

Yes, I am pro gun control, but also pro 2nd amendment at the same time. I do believe good gun control coupled with enforcement of those laws (which seems to be a problem with the gun show loopholes and whatnot) would help a lot. I do believe we need to have tighter laws and better enforcement of those laws, but damn, that doesn't mean I am against the Bill of Rights nor does it mean I think people should go around shooting children either. Fuck, what's with the oversimplification and extremism on both ends of the spectrum so many are exhibiting right now?

The problem I am having here on DU since this happened is that the extremists on both sides just piss me the fuck off. No wonder the admins of this site normally lock them up in the Gungeon to duke it out with each other. Talk about "unstable" people. Fuck!

My main reason for going into detail about this is that I am one mentally ill person who objects to being blamed for this as if I am some asshole sitting around plotting to kill children. Fuck that. I resent being placed in the same category as a mass murderer that way. I would never do such a thing, with medication or without. And I am not the only one.

I need a break from this current incarnation of DU and all the mindless reaching for scapegoats, the anger, the hate, all of the bullshit being said here...pronto. No one is thinking clearly and no one seems to understand that they are exhibiting signs of misplaced aggression toward people INSIDE the same political party as them. We agree on DU on far more than we disagree. Too bad so much anger is being directed at each other instead of putting blame where it belongs, with the individual person who committed this atrocity. That is the person responsible for all of this horror, sadness, grief, the destroyed lives, the lives ended all too soon, the children who had to witness it all too. Yes, that person is dead and we cannot prosecute them because they took their own life too. That is very frustrating.

Directing anger at those who are equally horrified by what happened is no way to put a stop to the terror of mass shooters. Too bad so many here are in such a blind rage that they cannot see that.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
44. My sister just one and one-half years older than I had mental health issues
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:55 PM
Dec 2012

I loved her very much and lost her five years ago. She was a beautiful person inside and out who never committed a violent act in her life. My only regret in my relationship with her is that I could not do more to help her. I did all that I could, but it was not enough. I totally agree with you that it is irresponsible and down-right offensive to say that mentally ill people are all violent. In my own arena, my sister's life was a living testament that disproves that assertion.

Regards,

Sam

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
12. as someone else reasoned
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:42 PM
Dec 2012

people all over the world watch violent movies and play those video games, so why does the great majority of these shooting happen in the US???

Wolf Frankula

(3,601 posts)
16. But But This is Joe Lieberman
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:05 PM
Dec 2012

The man who is SO bipartisan he always votes against his own side. Give it up you old whore. You are irrevelant. Go work for Likkud, you lackey.

Wolf

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
17. I disagree.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:07 PM
Dec 2012

Violent media is desensitizing our children to violence. We see it at school all the time.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
32. During the 70s and 80s, my friends and I reenacted our favorite WWII moves, over and over.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:04 PM
Dec 2012

We hunted and killed each other 1000s of times over.

Not in video games, but in the parks and the large cemetery near where we lived.

I just don't think the video games could make the killing more real then actually running through an actual landscape holding a weapon (toy as it was), and then killing a friend.

I recall laying dead on the ground, after having been killed, looking up at the sky, waiting for my team, or the other to win. If you were dead, you could not call out or warn your team. You were dead.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
38. It's the realism aspect
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:19 PM
Dec 2012

These video games are so realistic.

Whatever it is, it is a reality that our kids are more violent today. We see it at school all the time.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
39. In the 80s, in high school, I had a kid put a gun to my head. That's pretty real.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:27 PM
Dec 2012

I had a friend who's mother died when her husband's gun (a cop) accidentally went off.

The sister of another kid I knew was killed when her younger brother found dad's gun and was showing it off. She told her to give it to her so she could take it home. It went off, and she was killed.

A guy I worked with back in the 80s shot himself. No one was sure why.

And the guy who killed the kids and teachers this week ... he was 20 years old, not a kid.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
41. I have a friend whose dad accidentally killed his mom. He's a mess.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:38 PM
Dec 2012

It was 30 years ago and he's never gotten over it. He's dealt with drug and alcohol abuse for all of his adult life.

I teach in the hood. I know lots of kids affected by violence, kids with parents in prison, kids who have seen people murdered.

But none of that changes what I see every day at school. What every teacher sees. Our kids are much more violent today than they were even 10 years ago. And the ones who spend more time playing violent video games are the worst. That's the reality. None of my life experiences can change that.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
43. The kids coming out of that school didn't look all desensitized
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:43 PM
Dec 2012

If we are all so desensitized to this violence, why is this school shooting such a "holy fuck I can't believe it happen" to the entire society. You push reset and just keep playing a video game, so as some researchers have pointed out, something between simulated violence and an actual shooter killing your classmates doesn't compute. All weekend I just haven't seen a lot of people desensitized, instead I've seen a lot of people acutely sensitive to this act.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
18. So violent video games explains the 163 killed per week due to guns in 2010?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:13 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

It's not just the massacres. It happens every day which is far too often.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
24. this is pretty much my question too
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:35 PM
Dec 2012

People that blame American culture have to explain why the vast majority of movies, TV shows, music and video games are available all over the western world. Yet gun violence is vastly higher here than everywhere else. If that is somehow the magic answer you have to add a lot of supporting evidence.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
23. Most "Third Way" idiots spout the "Video Games are the Devil" shit.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:29 PM
Dec 2012

It's one of the ways they appealed to Middle Class Baby Boomer parents after they threw Labor under the bus.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
30. There is a glorification of murder and violence in our society.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:58 PM
Dec 2012

Through games, movies and music.

This is a fact.

I don't know why anyone would want to take examination of such truth off the table when trying to determine how to prevent tragedies such as the one we have just seen.

There is also a mental health aspect.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
36. I wonder if we are the only country
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:12 PM
Dec 2012

That puts "Do Not Attempt" captions for commercials that do something no one in their right mind would attempt. It's the dumbing down Joe, not the video games.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
42. Have there been studies on this? Seems to me it would desensitize people to violence.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:40 PM
Dec 2012

No? Yes? If so, aren't video games required to be rated X or something?

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