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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:29 PM Dec 2012

I don't see how limits on the number and type of firearm infringe on the 2nd Amendment.


And I'm all for the idea that the 2nd Amendment refers to the right of American citizens to own guns, as individuals.

My reason for limits? You can't shoot more than one gun at a time.
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Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
2. They use the 'foot in the doorway' arguement
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:35 PM
Dec 2012

I've talked to some of these paranoid idiots and they really believe that ANY restriction will snowball into having their guns confiscated. And, no, I'm not calling all gun owners paranoid idiots. I actually do know some responsible gun owners - my brother being one of them. But these peoplewho are now hoarding what ever they can get their hands on, scare the hell out of me.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
3. NRA feels that ANY gun laws at all infringe on the 2nd Amendment. ANY.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:27 PM
Dec 2012

I've had gun nuts tell me that they should also have the right to own grenades and bombs.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
5. It's justified, based on the statements of gun control orgs and pols..
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:37 PM
Dec 2012

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993

We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. . . . We'll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of guns in the United States -- is going to take time. . . . The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition-except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors-totally illegal.

Pete Shields, founder of Handgun Control, Inc. which is now the brady campaign


I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about, is that it will happen one very small step at a time, so that by the time people have "woken up" to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the beginning of the banning of semi-assault military weapons, that are military weapons, not "household" weapons, is the first step."

Stockton, California Mayor Barbara Fass

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by the police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state." Michael Dukakis

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
8. Dukakis hasn't been in political office in decades. Reno is long gone, and I don't believe your
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:20 PM
Dec 2012

quote of her anyway(do please provide a legitimate link).

Your post only proves that there are or were 4 Americans who want a gun ban. In the case of Shields, he doesn't give a fig about anything but handguns - can't you read??

You use the opinions of 4 people to justify personal ownership of GRENADES AND BOMBS?? You need help.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
9. That was a subset of quotes..
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:39 PM
Dec 2012

specifically addressing the 'one slice at a time' approach. (Well, Dukakkis wasn't quite so shy, but I thought it apropos.)

I said nothing about grenades and bombs, I was addressing the 'slippery slope' position.

“If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.”

And…

“When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans ... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities.”

Both quotes from President Clinton.

We have long memories.

eta: Sorry, I meant the original response to the poster above you! Mea culpa!


arthritisR_US

(7,288 posts)
6. You are absolutely correct, there is no infringement. But,
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:41 PM
Dec 2012

in the neuronally challenged minds of some, it is.

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