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Flabbergasted

(7,826 posts)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:28 AM Dec 2012

What do you tell a sixteen year old who wants to buy a gun?

Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:09 AM - Edit history (1)

The grandson of a friend of mine is under the impression that a gun is going to protect him.

I told her I would give her some stats that might convince him otherwise.

I saw some recently around here somewhere.

On edit I should have added when he is old enough, not immediately.


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What do you tell a sixteen year old who wants to buy a gun? (Original Post) Flabbergasted Dec 2012 OP
Time to get that junked nipped in bud. Hoyt Dec 2012 #1
I'm motivated. Nt Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #8
Don't you have to be 21 in most places? LeftInTX Dec 2012 #2
She said he wants one when he is old enough. Nt Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #5
Depends on the state. 2naSalit Dec 2012 #30
In my state 16 is the age where you can walk into a store a buy a gun cali Dec 2012 #35
Here BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #3
This is perfect thanks. Nt Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #7
As one of the fundies I am "researching" said, and I paraphrase: XemaSab Dec 2012 #4
Right. Nt Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #9
This is your rifle This is your gun This is for killin This is for fun doc03 Dec 2012 #6
This might help, somehow. elleng Dec 2012 #10
Thanks. That's great. By Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #21
"Speak to your parents about it"? or "I will speak to your parents about it"? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #11
"No" nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #12
When has tellin ga 16 year old teen "no" ever accomplished what it intended? bossy22 Dec 2012 #14
Good point. It doesn't even work with my 13-year-old. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #15
Tell the kid to talk to his parents bossy22 Dec 2012 #13
No. The kid is a minor. No. The parents are responsible. No. libdem4life Dec 2012 #16
You tell her jonthebru Dec 2012 #17
Suggest he learn a martial art instead Teamster Jeff Dec 2012 #18
True. Nt Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #23
That's a great idea. LuvNewcastle Dec 2012 #40
Get him some safety training first and foremost. ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #19
That's good thanks. Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #22
+1 whistler162 Dec 2012 #36
No. SheilaT Dec 2012 #20
I'd go Moonstruck on him arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #24
I'd tell her to expect to spend quite a bit of time with me over the next few weeks while she learns Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #25
This. Brickbat Dec 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #26
I would ask him/her what they needed it for. And if was only for recreaion or self-defense, I would ladjf Dec 2012 #27
How about taking him shooting? Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #28
Ask if he enjoys cleaning things over and over Recursion Dec 2012 #29
Tell them, HELL NO! BVictor1 Dec 2012 #31
So the obvious question is..... whistler162 Dec 2012 #37
That they aren't old enough rl6214 Dec 2012 #32
Play him this song Fumesucker Dec 2012 #33
Guns do not protect you unless you are in a war zone and they still don't Cleita Dec 2012 #34
No. That's what you tell them. kydo Dec 2012 #38
may not do much good if you live in a state cali Dec 2012 #39
Tell him no and then show him the horror stories treestar Dec 2012 #41
Sounds like something deeper is going on in his life. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #42
17 y/o niece posed with Glock in senior pics. OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #43
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Time to get that junked nipped in bud.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:31 AM
Dec 2012

Not sure exactly what you tell him though, but he might ought to talk to someone outside gun culture.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
35. In my state 16 is the age where you can walk into a store a buy a gun
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:18 AM
Dec 2012

then you can conceal carry with no license needed.

It sucks. And no, this isn't OK or Utah. It's Vermont.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
4. As one of the fundies I am "researching" said, and I paraphrase:
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:33 AM
Dec 2012

"Sure, I want my daughter to marry a man who can kick the ass of some thug who is lurking in a dark alleyway, but more importantly, I want my daughter to marry a man who won't take her down that alleyway in the first place."

Tell the kid to be the man who doesn't go down that alleyway in the first place, and he'll be fine.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
15. Good point. It doesn't even work with my 13-year-old.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:42 AM
Dec 2012

I know! Tell him "yes"! They always do the opposite!

LuvNewcastle

(16,858 posts)
40. That's a great idea.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:24 AM
Dec 2012

A lot of people buy guns in order to get a feeling of empowerment. People are much more likely to get into physical confrontations than gunfights. Knowing how to defend yourself usually reduces anxiety. Lazy, weak-minded people turn to guns to solve their problems.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
19. Get him some safety training first and foremost.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:45 AM
Dec 2012

Curiosity without knowledge is lethal. Basic safety could keep him or one of his friends alive.

Then if there is still some interest, try a marksmanship class. The drudgery of it often dissuades youngsters.

Between the two, the knowledge will diminish the mystique and risk of accident. If after that he is still interested, at least he is prepared.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
20. No.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:45 AM
Dec 2012

And it is possible to tell a 16 year old or a 13 year old no and have it stick. Of course, if you've never said no to that kid before they might not believe you.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
25. I'd tell her to expect to spend quite a bit of time with me over the next few weeks while she learns
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:56 AM
Dec 2012

all about them, what they are, what purpose they serve, the rules for handling them and the consequences of neglecting those rules. 8 Times out of ten, she will decide that it's not worth it.

Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
27. I would ask him/her what they needed it for. And if was only for recreaion or self-defense, I would
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:59 AM
Dec 2012

say no.

 

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
28. How about taking him shooting?
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:59 AM
Dec 2012

One of the largest problems regarding gun owners is their lack of respect for the weapon they use. Isolation will only increase curiosity and will, in likelihood, end in experimentation (which, with a gun, is a dangerous thing indeed.) Instead, I would suggest exposure in a controlled environment, but with gentle coaching that although a gun is a tool of empowerment, it is indeed also a tool of death. It's a teachable "With great power comes great responsibility" moment, if properly approached.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
29. Ask if he enjoys cleaning things over and over
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:03 AM
Dec 2012

Maybe even take him to a range so he can learn how tedious gun ownership can be. Lots and lots of scrubbing.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
34. Guns do not protect you unless you are in a war zone and they still don't
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:53 AM
Dec 2012

protect you. If they don't feel safe, they need to make a move to a situation where they do feel safe. However, if they really think about it rationally they will find a lot of things they can do to be safer that don't involve owning a gun. Most of this big need for protection is just paranoia. I think a protective type dog would be better than a gun and better company too.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
38. No. That's what you tell them.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:23 AM
Dec 2012

Then explain why you feel this way. You don't need graphs and charts - but have those charts and stats bookmarked and let the kid check them out when they are ready. Just speak from your heart and say the truth. Kids know bs when they hear it. But if you are truthful they will respect your opinion.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
39. may not do much good if you live in a state
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:28 AM
Dec 2012

where a 16 year old can legally purchase a gun on his/her own as well as legally carry it without a license.

<snip>

Vermont is one of only three states in America that allows anyone to carry concealed weapons without a permit. The other two states are Alaska and Arizona.

Additionally, Vermont is one of few states in the nation that allow citizens younger than the age of 21 to carry. In Vermont, anyone age 16 or older can carry handguns openly or concealed. For youths under the age of 16, parental consent is needed before a handgun can be carried.

<snip>

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Vermont-Gun-Laws.htm

treestar

(82,383 posts)
41. Tell him no and then show him the horror stories
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:44 AM
Dec 2012

and statistics about accidents, suicides, and deranged killers.

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
42. Sounds like something deeper is going on in his life.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:51 AM
Dec 2012

Sounds like a warning sign.

Bullying?

Problems w/parents?

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
43. 17 y/o niece posed with Glock in senior pics.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:54 AM
Dec 2012

Dad is armed to the teeth with every kind of gun imaginable.



Yet I'm the one in the family "that shows what's wrong with this world."

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