Jump asshole.

GO OVER THE FUCKING CLIFF ALREADY!

PB

it can't hurt Obama. I think that in the long run it will result in President Obama being looked upon favorably because it was the right thing to do.

...hung around their necks than gutting social programs. Why? Simply put: You can spin the shit out of going over the fiscal cliff. If you tell Democratic voters in 2014 that you raised taxes on the rich and slashed defense spending (as would happen with the sequestration cuts), people will buy it. What's the alternative to excite voters in 2014? "More cuts, tough road ahead"?

PB

This nation elected a majority in the House. The house controls the purse strings in this nation. This means that Boehner is a major player in the ongoing drama whether we like it or not. You know what would change that? Electing a majority Democratic House of Representatives.

Also Boehner is a weak man in a weak spot. No matter what he gets out of Obama, his party in the House can't stand him and is dedicated to seeing Obama fail no matter how much Obama caves. So he can't actually deliver votes, which makes him a terrible person to have across the table in a bargaining position.

Bryant

Coup's on to throw him out of the Speaker position.

Word's out on the street too.

We are not that stupid. Huffing and puffing.

PB

Strength would have been to answer some questions and not scurry away.

partially because it does no good to get my blood pressure up ...

BUT I am considering writing a letter to the WH and more at this point.

Obama HAS a fucking MANDATE
He RAN on being a hard ass when it comes to this
He was supposed to STAND UP FOR US
He was supposed to put the RW in their place
NO COMPROMISES!!!

"Why is it you and others in Washington are so eager to talk about 'shared sacrifice,'but not so eager to talk about 'shared wealth?'"

Or at least, that the speaker of the house and the majority party in the house is powerless. Take a fucking civics class.

take a fucking look at "WE THE PEOPLE"

Yes, it was due to unfair redistricting, but that doesn't change reality.

Again. Take a fucking civics class. I don't agree with the chained CPI changes. I'd rather we have no deal at all personally.

But to claim that the President enables someone that needs no enabling is absurd. Boehner and the Republicans have legal power. It was given to them by the voters. Deal with it.

Thanks to gerrymandering, MORE people voted for the Democrats to the House, but thanks to Republican gerrymandering, they are HANGING on to a slim majority of only 17. All we need is a 25 defections to the other side, and it will ensure that Democratic Party will be ready to sit down and discuss a fair deal and pass it with ease.

The first thing I mentioned was the gerrymandering. That doesn't change the fact that they still won the election for the house at all.

PB

Don't put words in my posts just because the valid point I made doesn't fit well with your version of reality.

I don't agree with any of his demands. But the FACT is the Speaker is very powerful as is his majority party. No amount of this bullshit Obama bashing is going to change that. PERIOD.

The President keeps following around the goalposts that Boehner keeps moving. Boehner keeps moving them, the President keeps following.

Your attempt to explain it away by everyone needing "a fucking civics class"

Lame.

PB

You said that Obama was enabling Boehner. Anyone that acts like the Speaker of the god damn House, regardless of which party that person belongs too, is powerless unless the President enables them needs a fucking civics class. Meaning YOU.

you get it, Poll_Blind

your friends were mean to you at school. (She didn't buy you the boots you wanted; she made you put apple slices in your lunchbox ... or she's just plain responsible for anything bad that happens.) It's juvenile.

I honestly don't understand why people are so reductive as to collapse all the collective rage we should be feeling about Republican intransigence in the Republican-controlled House onto the person of President Obama. It bespeaks some underlying dislike of this man that goes beyond anything specific that he has done. It's fine to dislike his policies ... but to blame him for what REPUBLICANS are doing is plain crazy.

the votes he needs when he brings his plan (raising tax rates for $1 million and above) up for a vote in Congress in the next few days.
In that case he will become a "no one". He's flirting with significant potential embarrassment.

Simple as that. Boehner shouldn't and doesn't have the power to do it- unless the President keeps following around Boehner's moving goalposts.

Which he's doing.

PB

Boehner could never grandstand like this without the kind of power that he gets from Obama. Democratic leadership wouldn't be begging the Presdent not to put social security on the table, the unions and the Bold Progressives wouldn't be desperately trying to push back against these things if Obama wasn't putting them on the table.

This is not "new". This is exactly the same thing that happened last time in, what, 2009? Obama increasingly puts more and more on the table, infuriating his base and Democratic representatives- only to be turned down by Boehner.

We won.

We should start negotiating from a position of strength and our first position of strength is if the GOP doesn't cut a deal with us on our terms, the sequestration cuts go into effect Jan 1.

PB

is now trying to negotiate with the American public..................

"the House budget makes draconian cuts to long, successful programs that keep our seniors and needy alive. There is no way I will sign such cuts into law, and hopefully Mr. Boner's next offer will be a serious one. The american people have made it clear that they would rather raise taxes on the hyper wealthy than see seniors go hungry and cold, and I intend to bow to their wishes.".

Oh, wait . No he didn't.

He's doing the exact same thing right now.

With sequestration cuts coming in on Jan 1, we should be negotiating from a position of strength.

But just as an aside, you'd agree that if the President actually gave in to this blackmail- to pass this legislation coming from the House- that that would be beyond the pale, wouldn't it?

PB

PB

Seriously??

I don't think that this brand of idiocy, crazy half-cocked off-based hatred, and just sheer stupidly misplaced vitriol against a sitting Dem President can even be found at free-republic.

This OP sort of proves that the DU left-wing-tea-party coalition has officially gone off the deep end. It is now very sadly apparent, that both sides of the political extremes have gone so far out there into looney-ville that they have managed to stretch the crazy out to the point that they are holding hands now.

I don't say this very often on internet message boards but...wow. That's just flat out insane.

do you see the difference? See my previous post on this thread for an example of how to deal with Boner.

PB

pissing on him for good measure, all metaphorically of course. Hopefully the President will soon tire of this disrespect and teach Herr Boehner and every Pubs several stinging lessons.