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Sugarcoated

(7,730 posts)
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:56 AM Dec 2012

Debate over shooting took a turn to a debate over what is an assault rifle

My stance to my husband's friend on Facebook is pretty basic: 'I, and most people don't want to take all your guns. We just want common sense gun safety laws, ie: banning assault rifles, thorough background checks, close loopholes, etc.'

His response is the slippery slope+ bullshit:

The definition of assault rifle is full auto. The bush master is semi-auto so no its not an assault rifle. You want to weaken the bill of rights go ahead but don't claim support for the 2 nd amendment while doing it. What other liberties do you have no use for? As surly as you give up this one all your others will be taken away. Oh its just the assault ones or the Saturday night special or hollow points or magazine size. Divided and concord picked apart all the while we won't go after your gun. But these are my gun and your friends gun and some stranger who does carry legally and would protect you if the need was there. But too often we cannot carry in places due to the law. And that is where the evel with bad intent go. Time and time again.
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Debate over shooting took a turn to a debate over what is an assault rifle (Original Post) Sugarcoated Dec 2012 OP
If you can assault someone with it mwrguy Dec 2012 #1
You can pry my snowball from my incredibly cold dead hands. Glassunion Dec 2012 #6
Definitions matter when policy is being made and it is good to know the difference Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #15
Given ARs are used in actual combat zones nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #17
Name one military that uses a non-select-fire semi-auto AR-15. I'll wait. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #21
Some gun-idolaters will gladly choose to criminals... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #2
Our modern day semi auto nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #3
Thompsons are fun to shoot. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #4
Like the Uzi. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #7
Very true. And they are expensive to feed.... ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #10
And expensive to buy and sell nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #14
There have been semi auto tommy guns over time ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #16
If you can use it to kill more than 2 dozen people then it's an assault rifle... Kalidurga Dec 2012 #5
I could do that with a bow and arrow ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #11
"Divided and concord picked apart" Union Scribe Dec 2012 #8
The real issue here is what is "assault" k2qb3 Dec 2012 #9
How useful do you find that position? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #12
Extremely. k2qb3 Dec 2012 #18
Just tell him ALL GUNS and don't argue minutia with an NRA disciple who does this division graham4anything Dec 2012 #13
It always does gollygee Dec 2012 #19
Control Of The Vocabulary: A Prime Gun Militant Tool Paladin Dec 2012 #20

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
15. Definitions matter when policy is being made and it is good to know the difference
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:05 AM
Dec 2012

between automatic and semi auto esp because it seems to be not widely known on this site. It is the semi automatic they are calling assault weapons and they are one shot one bullet weapons not full automatic. I am not an expert but
We have lots of really good knowledgeable people on the site who can explain it and very well if they are given a chance.
I am extra sleepy so please forgive if this is jumbled up. Night.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. Given ARs are used in actual combat zones
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:01 AM
Dec 2012

Sorry...

And yes, I know the technical differences. Before that is, you try to lecture me.

sanatanadharma

(3,739 posts)
2. Some gun-idolaters will gladly choose to criminals...
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:10 AM
Dec 2012

...if society lawfully changes enough to ban guns. Ipso facto, such gun owners can not claim to be law abiding. Their argument is that they will abide with the laws that they like and thus can't be trusted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117294735

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
3. Our modern day semi auto
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:19 AM
Dec 2012

Have the rate of fire of a tommy, which is tightly regulated by the National Firearms Gun Control Act of 1934

http://law.jrank.org/pages/8725/National-Firearms-Act-1934.html

We have done this in the past...enough of this bullshit. (Not you, our fun nutters)

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. Like the Uzi.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:49 AM
Dec 2012

But the point is...there are tight controls. We need to think of that. St Valentine Day Massacre led to that Act...it's in the books.

The tommy is legal to own. It's just a pain in the rear to do so.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
14. And expensive to buy and sell
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:00 AM
Dec 2012

With very extensive background checks. When was the last time one was used in a criminal act in the US?

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
16. There have been semi auto tommy guns over time
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:59 AM
Dec 2012

Even with the much slower rate of fire and the Cutts Compensator, they too climb skyward

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
5. If you can use it to kill more than 2 dozen people then it's an assault rifle...
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:47 AM
Dec 2012

they serve no useful purpose ban them and try to recover as many as possible that are already out there.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
11. I could do that with a bow and arrow
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:56 AM
Dec 2012

Definitions are going to be massively important. That is why the last Fed AWB failed.

 

k2qb3

(374 posts)
9. The real issue here is what is "assault"
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:55 AM
Dec 2012

It's my position that "assault" is a verb, lots of people seem to think it's an adjective.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
13. Just tell him ALL GUNS and don't argue minutia with an NRA disciple who does this division
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:00 AM
Dec 2012

also remind him

If only the shooter's first victim, a teacher, had a gun, this would have taken care of the problem.

Of course the NRA disciple don't get irony and satire (and even some on our side don't get it either).

But tell him that.
(btw-it always is HIM isn't it? not her, but him. That is always interesting.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
19. It always does
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:55 AM
Dec 2012

This is the NRA way of "baffling with bullshit." Throw out a bunch of definitions and statistics about guns until people give up and shut up.

Paladin

(28,276 posts)
20. Control Of The Vocabulary: A Prime Gun Militant Tool
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:56 AM
Dec 2012

As long as we allow the agenda-driven gun obsessives to define what an "assault rifle" is, as long as we allow them to go into drooling hysterics over the negligible difference between a "magazine" and a "clip," as long as we allow them to deflect attention from what the important issues are, they will manage to prevent meaningful gun control from being put in place. Don't be fooled by all this, they've been using this tactic for years and years.

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