When the electorate can retain a memory past 6 weeks.

will be a somber victory.

Pyrrhic

because when the poor suffer it is never truly a "victory".

and the fiscal cliff becomes a moot issue.

I said from the begining I think we should go over now, and let the new Congress handle the fix. The Lame Ducks shouldn't be allowed to negotiate on a deal this important. They lost for a reason.

The problem with that is I am not sure the next Congress will do any better. WE are still going to have block heads like Ryan, Cantor, and Boner the mix.

Howard Dean is right. Going off will throw the national economy back into a recession that will last appx. 2 quarters. After that, Wall Street will settle into the "new normal", and when they realize that the increased revenue streams comming into the Treasury, along with the spending sequestration will have a net positive effect on T-bill and Bond ratings (or something to that effect) Wall Street will say, "Fuck it, lets use that as a backstop/failsafe and start investing again" and the economy will pull itself out of that recession and take off like a rocket. After that they will say, "we don't much care that our tax rate is back at the Clinton levels, cause were making money hand over fist again."

Yes, some of the cuts to human services will hurt like hell in the short term, but the GOP will probably get the lion's share of the blame for the second recession, get kicked the hell out of control of the House in 2014, and then a lot of that can probably be re-instated.

I say go over that fucker. It's the deal that the GOP WANTED for holding the debt ceiling hostage 2 years ago. Let em own that shit, (and we'll see if they're dumb enough to try THAT again lol).