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Simply question. It is the day after the election. We have lost the Presidency and both the House and Senate. It has been a big year for the GOP. How did it happen?
spanone
(135,836 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)We were caught flat footed AGAIN when the election in 2004 was stolen. Are we prepared for another stolen election? Or are we going to capitulate to the authoritarian masters again?
BrentWil
(2,384 posts)While I disagree with Gore V. Bush (Should have just counted all the votes and did so on the same standards, even if it blew the timeline) it isn't that likely. If we lose, it is most likely that we will lose because they get more votes.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)You need to chose a side.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...that they were at least close enough to steal. That's bad enough.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)mess with the election system, and let the SCOTUS decide on the presidency is outrageous. I guess each freedom we lose isnt enough to fight for. "and then they came for me."
BrentWil
(2,384 posts)And stolen isn't a word I would use. I think we simply tied an election and lost another one.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)As happened in OH and was certified by Ken Blackwell.
BrentWil
(2,384 posts)The economy turns down and they pick Mitt instead of Newt.
I think it is a simple answer, actually.
NAO
(3,425 posts)BrentWil
(2,384 posts)They need a few more to actually win.
gateley
(62,683 posts)the Republican platform makes sense? Are they included in that 30%? Or those who will vote Republican no matter who, but again, aren't rabidly anti-Obama?
NAO
(3,425 posts)I don't think so. That's about as likely as Democrats who were not rabidly anti-Bush in 2004.
gateley
(62,683 posts)just voting like their parents always did, and politics weren't discussed much. Just -- vote for the Republican. So they do.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)his policies.
But you're going to be in deep shit for even positing this methinks.
BrentWil
(2,384 posts)It is just a hypothetical...
And I disagree.. We have to be all over Newt or Romney. Super Pac are there for us and we have to use them.
MichaelMcGuire
(1,684 posts)'playing the man, not the ball'
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)Not enough votes, you lose.
If people can't see how dangerous and destructive the GOP is, what can you do?
Of course, the Dems have to do what they can to try to get the word out in no uncertain terms what it will mean to have the GOP in power.
None of this 'professional courtesy' crap, or 'taking the high road' - it needs to be made clear that the GOP will DESTROY the social protections and safety nets that took so many years to build.
BrentWil
(2,384 posts)People have to understand that this could and will mean the end to Social Security and Medicare.
NAO
(3,425 posts)he is not Obama.
Seriously. The conservatives were bracing themselves to vote for ...ack... Romney, who by their own description is not even a "real" conservative...if it came down to it, anybody to get Obama out.
If they were prepared to vote for that pompous, stiff, super-rich vulture capitialist who is also a member of a "cult", then they can vote easily for Gingrich
BrentWil
(2,384 posts)NT
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)They find all kinds of ways to lose that you thought never previously existed.
RZM
(8,556 posts)I can't place the other two. Who are they?
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)scrubbing minorities and liberals off voting rolls improperly, the usual GOP vote-stealing scenarios.
Broderick
(4,578 posts)It was on energy and it was good. Anyway, there is no way we lose. No possible way IMO.
RZM
(8,556 posts)That's the one way the Dems can lose.
Years ago I covered a school funding campaign for a small local paper. One of the pro-levy people said 'we can't just do 100 percent of what's required to win. We have to do 150 percent of what's required.'
That's how you win. Leave nothing to chance.
Broderick
(4,578 posts)Get your point. I am an optimist and I think being positive and enthusiastic is important. Losing is not an option.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Obama will not walk the way he did in 2008. It's going to be a real fight this time. If we sleep on the Republican nominee, they will steamroll us. It's going to be a battle.
I'd say that Obama has a 65 percent or more chance of reelection. But anything short of 100 is not a sure thing.
Obamacare
(277 posts)The 08 election was hardly a cake walk for Obama. I remember shortly after the rethug convention, McCain was leading in the polls. Obama, didn't bounce back until after a few debates. The MSM was saying the same exact thing they are saying now, which the independants are voting for Mittens. There was all this talk about McCain pulling more indys, thank God that didn't happen in the end.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)then I'll tell you.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I see no other possibility
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)They parrot failings of the administration and Democrats in general, and simply fail to get out the vote. The African-American and Hispanic vote is simply not enough to take Obama or the Democrats over. We need a good chunk of whites.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It doesn't matter what the cause - whether or not artificial.
People think the president has a gas price magic wand, and they do not understand the basics of how much petroleum there is, where it is, and the true cost of extracting and refining it.
They do know. To the penny. How much they pay for gasoline.
Rex
(65,616 posts)It can happen!
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)They are already setting the groundwork for voter suppression bills across the country.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)I've read several of your posts. Not by stalking, just by running across them.
Your OPs and all responses I can recall are never positive toward democrats. You seemed to have a thing for Grinch a day or two ago.
Is the publican party so hard up for ideas and oppo research they sent you here to talk to the intelligent crowd?
I don't mind it, it's just terribly transparent.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Historically, if the Dems GOTV, we win. There seem to be more of us than them.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)vote at a rate much lower than they did in 2008
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)The economic indicators are good right now. But they aren't that good and they could turn bad at any point in the next 9 months. The european debt crisis, the price of oil, a major natural disaster, any of these things could have horrible affects at this point, and they are almost completely out of the control of the administration.