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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 01:40 AM Jan 2012

Barney Frank re: Newt: “He would be the best thing to happen to Democrats since Barry Goldwater ..."

Barney Frank jabs Newt Gingrich: A long-simmering feud
Posted by Rachel Weiner at 03:34 PM ET, 11/28/2011

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“I did not think I lived a good enough life to see Newt Gingrich as the Republican nominee,” the 30-year House veteran said. “He would be the best thing to happen to Democrats since Barry Goldwater ... It’s still unlikely, but I have hopes.”

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“I despise Gingrich because of the negative effect he has had on American politics.”

He elaborated to biographer Stuart Weisberg, saying Gingrich had helped destroy bipartisan cooperation in the House and was “the meanest and most destructive political figure I have ever seen.”

The fact that Gingrich was easily offended, “the thinnest-skinned character assassin I ever met,” Frank added, “just encouraged me to keep going after him.”




http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/frank-jabs-gingrich-a-long-simmering-feud/2011/11/28/gIQANPaj5N_blog.html

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Barney Frank re: Newt: “He would be the best thing to happen to Democrats since Barry Goldwater ..." (Original Post) kpete Jan 2012 OP
It's really hard to say at this point, but Kalidurga Jan 2012 #1
Watching Newt beltanefauve Jan 2012 #39
Barney nails Newt! Lugnut Jan 2012 #2
“the meanest and most destructive political figure I have ever seen” pinto Jan 2012 #3
Boy, I'd have a hard time accepting that stmt while Cheney is still around n/t Sheepshank Jan 2012 #32
Damn, great article, Barney Frank has him pegged to a T. Guy Montag Jan 2012 #4
WOO! Skittles Jan 2012 #5
Gotta love Barney. Paka Jan 2012 #6
+1 WheelWalker Jan 2012 #40
the mistake the left has made the last 20 years is not recognizing newt is totally radio certainot Jan 2012 #7
He is so right KT2000 Jan 2012 #8
newt is what the republicans want... madrchsod Jan 2012 #9
Right on to that. The base loves his nastiness. Let's hope the rest of the country finds it spicegal Jan 2012 #10
Brilliant malaise Jan 2012 #11
What Barney says is true, but ... bayareaboy Jan 2012 #12
I'm on the fence. Newt's more likely to lose. But he's so scorched earth. Bucky Jan 2012 #13
I see your point, but perhaps we will have to have the repubs just blow themselves up in the CTyankee Jan 2012 #16
The comparison of Republicans to Nazis is tiresome & inaccurate Bruce Wayne Jan 2012 #20
DUzy!!! KamaAina Jan 2012 #37
OK, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry...super sorry! CTyankee Jan 2012 #38
That's exactly how I feel Inuca Jan 2012 #27
i also think of McCain and Bush, how McCain was seen as the tougher opponent, but one on one McCain JI7 Jan 2012 #49
That's a Tiffany Based Toughness! Hubert Flottz Jan 2012 #14
K&R. I despise Newt for the same reason. Overseas Jan 2012 #15
I'm thinking that Romney would be better for us at this point...... marmar Jan 2012 #17
When Barney skewers someone they stay skewered. He knows where the vulnerable spots are. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #18
Lord knows how many skewers are lost in those folds of flesh Bruce Wayne Jan 2012 #22
Go, Barney, go!! Bruce Wayne Jan 2012 #24
Except Newt is more of a Captain Ahab than is Barney..... yellowcanine Jan 2012 #25
I see him as more of a white whale (although "doughy fuckwad" will remain my preferred appellation) 11 Bravo Jan 2012 #31
Moby Dick was a noble creature. There is nothing noble about Newt. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #34
GOP response in three.... two.... one.... AlbertCat Jan 2012 #19
Indeed. chervilant Jan 2012 #23
Great. Republicans just fell MORE in love with Newt! CoffeeCat Jan 2012 #21
My thoughts exactly. This will be a badge of honor for Newt Ishoutandscream2 Jan 2012 #26
so Newt's got to be the guy! AlbertCat Jan 2012 #29
Why do you think he made the comment? jeff47 Jan 2012 #35
Newt and moderate should not be used in the same sentence unless Romney is in the middle of it MACARD Jan 2012 #36
They'll take a Pittbull over a Lab any day. LiberalLovinLug Jan 2012 #41
Which is precisely how they reacted in South Carolina tblue37 Jan 2012 #47
K&R HopeHoops Jan 2012 #28
k&r for the truth. n/t Laelth Jan 2012 #30
sshhhhhhh Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #33
I would love to see an President Obama vs. Newt debate The Green Manalishi Jan 2012 #42
k and r Stuart G Jan 2012 #43
k ick and rec...nt. Stuart G Jan 2012 #44
K&R n/t PhoenixAbove Jan 2012 #45
It is clear that the gods smaked Newt square in the face ooglymoogly Jan 2012 #46
So soon we forget Sarah Palin? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #48

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
1. It's really hard to say at this point, but
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 01:48 AM
Jan 2012

I think Romney is trying very hard to be the best thing to happen to Democrats. People are starting to understand the nature of vulture capitalism, I wish I could say it is because we are educating them, but it seems that Newt has covered that for us.

Guy Montag

(126 posts)
4. Damn, great article, Barney Frank has him pegged to a T.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:34 AM
Jan 2012

My favorite quote from the piece:

"The fact that Gingrich was easily offended, “the thinnest-skinned character assassin I ever met,” Frank added, “just encouraged me to keep going after him.”

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
7. the mistake the left has made the last 20 years is not recognizing newt is totally radio
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:51 AM
Jan 2012

all a GOP politician has to do to succeed is ride the limbaugh bandwagon.

it gets pounded into 100 mil earholes every week.

that's why the GOP is fried- they rode the limbaugh bandwagon off the cliff....

unfortunately, because the left has ignored that fact, we're all getting dragged over- we already have.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
8. He is so right
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 05:25 AM
Jan 2012

We can trace the intransegence of the repub party to his time in the House and especially as Speaker.
One of the first things he did as Speaker is hand out a reading list so all members could be expected to think as he did. Those who didn't were pushed out of their committee positions. He always seems to think he has been elected God.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
9. newt is what the republicans want...
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 06:59 AM
Jan 2012

someone who is capable of destroying what is left of our republic.

spicegal

(758 posts)
10. Right on to that. The base loves his nastiness. Let's hope the rest of the country finds it
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:14 AM
Jan 2012

offensive and inappropriate for the POTUS.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
12. What Barney says is true, but ...
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 08:47 AM
Jan 2012

I still want to see the Republican't folks going on for a while, so that more folks comprehend how special they are.

Although you all know that while they are doing this the Democratic folks must get back power from the states for fair elections and make sure that the De Supreme Court doesn't pencil whip us like 2000. You all know that the republican'ts can not play fair!


Bucky

(54,013 posts)
13. I'm on the fence. Newt's more likely to lose. But he's so scorched earth.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 08:54 AM
Jan 2012

Newt just feels toxic to me. We've seen how Romney has a glass jaw; I'm pretty sure Obama can take him. On the other hand, Gingrich does so much damage to public character, I think it'd be disastrous for the country to have him out as the standard bearer for a major party, whipping up hatred and planting seeds of resentment that would germinate for years. Maybe I want a Republican who will lose with a little bit of grace, like McCain. Or maybe I want to hope that Republicans will get burned out on all that futile hate mongering if they finally do nominate a master at the game like Gingrich.

Mostly, I wish Republicans would grow up and start putting the country first.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
16. I see your point, but perhaps we will have to have the repubs just blow themselves up in the
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:33 AM
Jan 2012

campaign in order to rid this country of the disease it spreads. Look what we had to do to finish off the Nazis. We leveled a good part of Germany but the Nazis were gone...

Bruce Wayne

(692 posts)
20. The comparison of Republicans to Nazis is tiresome & inaccurate
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:33 AM
Jan 2012

For instance, Nazis were supportive of labor union rights, opposed child labor, and supported free summer camps for the nation's youth.

Um... I think I lost my point somewhere in there

Inuca

(8,945 posts)
27. That's exactly how I feel
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 12:22 PM
Jan 2012

Newt is probably a "safer bet", more likely to be defeated by BO. But it would be unbearably ugly. And things are never certain.... in the odd chance that Newt wins.... I can't even thing about it! But it's mainly what you said, the main is poison and spews poison, he is distructive in th extreme.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
49. i also think of McCain and Bush, how McCain was seen as the tougher opponent, but one on one McCain
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 12:08 AM
Jan 2012

comes off weaker in things like debates and speeches. Romney is the same way.

the thing with Gingrich is he would come off tougher and nasty but i think there are some who will spin it as something good.

the way Bush's negatives were turned into being just like everyone else. after having BUsh for President the stupid isn't seen as positive anymore which is why Perry didn't do well.

but i can see Gingrich's nasty tough act as being considered something good.

indies are easily fooled.



Overseas

(12,121 posts)
15. K&R. I despise Newt for the same reason.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:27 AM
Jan 2012

He's the one who promoted amping up mean speech with his GOPAC memo http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm
and then took it way off the rails rallying the craziest Republicans with his many racist dog whistles.

marmar

(77,081 posts)
17. I'm thinking that Romney would be better for us at this point......
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:41 AM
Jan 2012

....... because he so represents what most of America despises now.


yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
18. When Barney skewers someone they stay skewered. He knows where the vulnerable spots are.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:44 AM
Jan 2012

Of course Newt presents a target rich environment.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
19. GOP response in three.... two.... one....
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:57 AM
Jan 2012

"Barney's just a fag. Who cares what he thinks."

(presented in coded messages as well as flat out like the above)




This will not resinate as much as in the past, but...
As long as the GOP owns the airwaves, we're in trouble.

You'll notice the dismissive "long time simmering feud" meme... making it all sound personal and of no "real" importance. Like it's "They just don't like each other".

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
23. Indeed.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:39 AM
Jan 2012

The source--The Washington Post--is notorious for using dismissive memes when dissing Democrats.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
21. Great. Republicans just fell MORE in love with Newt!
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:35 AM
Jan 2012

Republicans want a junk-yard dog as their candidate. Not all Republicans, but the crazy faction
of the party that votes in high numbers does.

The base of the Republican party does not believe in Mitt, his policies nor his ability to beat Obama.
And frankly, when I look at Mitt--he comes across as some namby-pamby, warmed-over anchorman
who probably couldn't pour himself a cup of coffee without getting lost in confusion.

The base is reacting to Romney's perceived "moderate" stances, and also his wussy factor. They intuitively
understand that Romney is not the sharpest tool in the shed and that he just doesn't seem to have a spine.
He doesn't inspire them.

The Republican base wants a mean bastard who will blow Obama away in a debate. Remember how angered
we were at George Bush? When you're that angry--you want a candidate with a comparable degree of passion
and emotion. Newt has it. Mitt is a human dumpling.

All of these stories about how mean Newt is--will only make the Republican base jump into his arms even more.

Ishoutandscream2

(6,662 posts)
26. My thoughts exactly. This will be a badge of honor for Newt
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:56 AM
Jan 2012

The knuckledraggers will eat this up. Barney "Fag" hates Newt's guts, so Newt's got to be the guy! These are actually empowering words for the neanderthals.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
29. so Newt's got to be the guy!
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 12:48 PM
Jan 2012

Good.

'Cause the Big Boys of the GOP don't want Newty as prez.
And they will have what they want.

They don't listen to their base. They use their base.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
35. Why do you think he made the comment?
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:12 PM
Jan 2012

It's great politics. Gets the Republicans to shoot themselves in the foot.

MACARD

(105 posts)
36. Newt and moderate should not be used in the same sentence unless Romney is in the middle of it
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jan 2012

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Newt can rally all of the Die Hard fundamentalist, and he can get them to vote for him. Newt also has Special Favor, he is Ordained as A representative of the Ku Klux Klan, the Nation's premier Racist Organization. Newty is also most likely (though I cannot confirm it) Poster Fuhrer of the Neo-Nazis. In short Newt has the full support of the Crazies and when Santorum drops out all Santorums support will probably go to Newt.

the Problem of being a Gingrinch is that he is so radical that he will alienate the moderates and force them to vote For President Obama.

Short and Sweet: Newt may win the GOP Nomination but he cannot win a Presidency.

Before I learned About Bain Capitol and before Colbert was thinking about running, Romney was my favorite out of the Republican candidates, his being moderate will alienate the Republican Base but can win the hearts of more Americans.

Short and Sweet: Romney may not have the capacity to win the GOP Nomination but he has a good chance of winning the presidency, as long as President Obama Doesn't Wield the Bain Capitol card as the Sword that Newt Gingrich did, cutting through the Dreams of the would be President, leaving a bleeding Carcass of GOP hopes To further Fester into the cancer that is Gingrich's Cackling I told you so.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
41. They'll take a Pittbull over a Lab any day.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jan 2012

I agree.
The contemporary right wing voter, listens to Rush, watches FAUX News to prop up their "reality". So you can bet if the Grinch wins out, he'll be lauded 24/7 and defended against "liberal lies and rumours".

But more than that. The Koch brothers, Murdoch, and reps like McConnell and the like have used all of their influence to radicalize traditional Republican voters where NOTHING is more important than to defeat the socialist muslim gay-loving Kenyan in the next election. Republican voters, even when not under this kind of constant brainwashing, have proven time and time again that what is good for the others goose is not always good for their gander. Divorced a sick wife for a younger model?....no problem. Affairs with the second wife and desire for an "open" marriage?....so what. $300,000 ethics violation fines and losing his previous speakers job?....whatever.

IMO, Gingrich would be the toughest opponent to take on. Because he'd stoop lower than any other candidate. There is a kind of power you have when you have no shame to hold you back. And the new breed of bagger Repubs would lap it all up and anyone denouncing the predictable lies in his SuperPac ads, would be branded liberals and liars (the assimilation goes without saying to the flock)

I'd say be careful what you wish for Barney.

tblue37

(65,387 posts)
47. Which is precisely how they reacted in South Carolina
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 11:54 PM
Jan 2012

when he went into a sputtering tantrum when someone dared to mention his second wife’s claim about his demand for an open marriage. It just made them love him more.

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
42. I would love to see an President Obama vs. Newt debate
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 06:56 PM
Jan 2012

I think it would be good for President Obama, good for the Democratic party and good for the country

I have faith in Obama, and I know that Newt, once the harsh light of reality is focused on his pasty slimy ass will look even more like the despicable turn he is.

This is a real choice, folks and that is a Good Thing.

ooglymoogly

(9,502 posts)
46. It is clear that the gods smaked Newt square in the face
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 10:14 PM
Jan 2012

with an iron skillet.....What Grayson said..."Gingrich is what stupid people (pugs) think is intelligent"... paraphrasing.

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