A clip is something I use for my pretty hair, and a magazine is an ancient artifact that can be found in the waiting room at a doctor's office.

Clips are also little pieces of movies, often used for publicity.

some gun types seem awfully touchy about this stuff...

They are just misinformed, I'm just trying to inform people so they can use the correct term.

It's always the gun grabbers using the term clip. I have no patience for them and their inaccurate and misleading information they just repeat and repost without ever lifting a finger to confirm what they are posting is true.

It is an insulting term completely disrespecting of their own life history and journey.

Come on man, you know better than that. All you do is make yourself look bad when you talk like that.

Not all of them vote republican.

I hope in time you learn to respect your fellow man, all of them.

not fooling anyone

That's bizarre.

but it's actually pretty sad. Life is a whole lot bigger than the geeky obsessions some fall prey to.

I'd advise people to use the correct one, but if they don't what can I do?

.... losing credibility in the eyes of some who do know the difference.

Does it matter to you?

Truth hiding in the shadows.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

they take offense as if non gun nuts should know the nitty gritty and specialized terms in their hobby.

that is of course your choice.

I have no idea why someone would be willfully wrong, but there you go.

... as an experiment to see how fast they can change the language. Many of the major media news anchors have been repeatably informed of the difference and they continue to use "clip." I have heard that Rupert Murdoch (who is supposedly anti-gun) is insisting that Fox News hosts use the term clips just so he can rub the noses of the gunners, and show how quickly he can change the language.

... it's merely a belief that I hold based on observation and experience. Not everything can be backed up up by a link on the internet. Some people actually try to come up with stuff themselves. Take it for what it's worth to you. Probably nothing.

your valid point will be largely ignored by knowledgeable posters who support gun rights.

If you often post on threads that discuss gun control it is also useful to understand that everything you read on the Brady Campaign web site or hear on the 24/7 cable news is not accurate and in fact is sometimes totally false. Of course those who post in favor of gun rights have would also be wise to realize that what they read or hear from pro-gun sources gun also be lies and propaganda.

Firearm is not rocket science and anyone can quickly learn the basics with just a little effort. Google is your friend.

But as I have explained, I have no problems if you chose not to learn the fundamentals of a topic you wish to discuss. I will try to figure out your meaning and carefully consider your point.

in knowing the lingo so you are asking for something that will never be.

If you were talking about a car you'd look awfully silly if you kept calling the engine the gas tank.

if I got one. So I started calling them mags.

But when I had a small .22 pistol years ago, others always referred to the loading thing with the bullets in it...they called it the clip. It looked like a mag in your pictures, only smaller...and the bullets weren't exposed like in your pic of a clip (but I think I could see if there were bullets in it?).

So I thought maybe mags held more bullets, while a clip held just a few, or clips were smaller in size or something. I also thought maybe a clip didn't come in high count.

But thanks for the clarification. The loading thing I stuck in the .22 look like a small mag, as I recall. But that was a long time ago.

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I think the reason some feathers may be ruffled is that some may detect a bit of an 'attitude' in the way you posted the info.
Again thanks for making the difference clear. I surely didn't know.
Now..... I CAN tell the difference between Mozart and Hayden. :&gt )) Which is not so easy for many...

Some people like my wife do not like guns.
She will never learn the correct name of gun parts. A car is something she lets into her life. A gun will never be a part of her life so she will not make the effort to learn about them. She is like most people who do not like guns.

If you were talking about a car and you kept calling the engine a motor.

Two different things that the words for are so often incorrectly interchanged that their misuse is usually ignored.

.... in years. Are you an engineer? We are usually the ones that are anal about such things.

Kinda like missile vs rocket, though that's getting pretty blurred also.

As in motor-boats (referring to the internal combustion "motor" on a boat), motor-cycles, motor-mounts, motor-cars, motor-speedway, motor-clubs, motor-works, etc. Motor is really just a generic term, modified by the term engine.

And more often than not I use the word motor when referring to an engine. Even though I know it is technically incorrect.

Just as I use the word clip, as do many (if not most) gun owners I know, when referring to a magazine. If it is so often used incorrectly that there is no doubt as to what you are speaking of then it isn't worth fighting over.

who might make the same point as you did but used incorrect terminology.

The words are used interchangeably by non-specialists and non-gun nuts. A stripper clip (like what you load say an M1903 Springfield with) vs a box magazine (like what you load an AR15 with) have a similar function. My advice is to un-twist your knickers.

I'm just trying to educate people. I have no idea why someone would willfully use the wrong term.

....just to piss of people who want to nitpick about extremely minor issues nobody else cares about.

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Pro-gun and anti-gun people both make this mistake.

Barking at a vacuum cleaner. You will get spit on and called names and you might as well try to tell a freeper that evolution is more probable than creationism. They don't want to hear it and they don't really want to have a rational discussion of the issue. They just want to bark. I tried a few days ago. Waste of time.

Good luck though.

The issue is guns that can kill a dozen people in a matter of a few seconds with no opportunity for people to bring down the shooter.

The issue is not what ever kind of word games you want to play. That is just a diversionary tactic and I don't think a lot of people have any patience for that kind of disingenuous posting here.

One term is correct and one term is incorrect.

It is up to you which you want to use, but I suggest that if you want your meaning to be clear you should use the correct one.

which you are ignoring.

A lot of us would prefer not to have to talk about guns at all, let alone worry about precise terminology. It doesn't matter. The point is, we are discussing guns which can take out a whole bunch of people in a very short time. Guns like this do not seem necessary for civilian usage. Why don't you respond to that?

The terms are arbitrary, and are not central to the issue.

I don't see how I am distracting from the issue by supplying basic information. I'm sorry you feel that way.

if you're still ignorant of that fact.

legislation? You actually missed the majority of responses here saying that for many reasons, they had no intention of studying up to please gun geeks? LOL. Well- NOW you know.

It is understandable that not everyone would know it. What I don't understand is the attitude of those who seem to desire to be wrong.

when gun control advocates "learn" this simple concept, another (semi auto vs auto) will be introduced, then another (gun show loophole) , and another. Until the gun geeks shit their pants in delight. Because the NRA taught them to disrupt.

If you can't recall seeing that here, or having it explained to you many times, then it is you who are too ignorant, too dense to talk to. And now, you don't have to be shocked if anyone accuses you of derailing, or disrupting. You're welcome!

seriously in gun-control discussions if you won't listen when he educates you on the finer points of navel lint???

of all semi-auto firearms with as well as lever action and pump rifles and of course double action revolvers.

Even a six shot double action revolver can be reloaded quickly using a speed loader. A .357 magnum revolver is an extremely deadly weapon.

If you did so, we would not need to discuss items like magazines and magazine capacity.

Clip:



Magazine:

Heard at the firing range:

&quot BLAM!-BLAM!-BLAM!) I can't believe those libruls call them clips. (BLAM!-BLAM!-BLAM!) Huh-huh! They don't know shit about guns! (BLAM!-BLAM!-click.) Shit, I'm out of ammo. Gimme another clip!"

I didn't intend that statement as an insult to you or anyone here on DU.

For "Who the fuck gives a shit?"

It doesnt matter to them, and they'll quickly say that it doesnt matter, but to me it makes their arguments weaker when they dont know how to say what they truly mean. Some people dont know the difference between semi-automatic and full auto. It doesnt really matter, so dont bang your head against the wall waiting for people to get it right.

However, I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to correct the apostrophe-ignorant on their mistakes, and I wouldn't be so ridiculous as to say their lack of apostrophes makes their arguments weaker. I think insisting they find apostrophes as important as I do would be a sign of obnoxious self-absorption.

I guess it's all in your point of view.

All the NRA apologists and other gun enthusiasts getting all twisted in their knickers about proper use of terminology is simply a re-direction tactic. A tactic to take the conversation off the real issue that more guns mean more deaths as is statistically proven. If they can divert the conversation to how people and the media are mis-using the terms assault weapon or clip vs. magazine then they divert the conversation from the real issue. The issue that guns are too easily available to people in the US.

It doesn't matter if the gun is a full auto or a semi-auto or what you call it on the evening news. A person wielding that gun can still fire off hundreds of rounds in a few minutes either way. Sure, with the full auto a person can just point and spray bullets. With the semi they have to repeatedly pull the trigger. But one to eleven bullets into the body of a kindergartener didn't really get stymied by the fact the person with the gun had to repeatedly pull the trigger now did it?

So quit with the whole "your terminology is wrong" crap. Who cares? Dead is dead is dead. Those kindergartners are all dead no matter if you call it an assault rifle or just a rifle; no matter if you call it an automatic or semi-automatic. They are all still dead.

That is true of anything isn't it? If I started calling a basketball a football you'd assume I knew jack-shit about basketball.

a football is called a football? When a real football is really a football, not a football.

But don't quote me on that.

much more recently rugby..

you did not know all the proper terminology.

We all do, all the time. What makes guns more special than the finer points of the debt ceiling, for example? Gimmee a break with this crap now.

And then I wouldn't make that mistake again

than guns.

Point is, I'm entitled to voice my opinion even if I call a clip a cupcake. Those kids in Connecticut won't get any less dead.

I just explained to you the difference between the two and you continue to use the incorrect word. Why? I just don't understand the mind-set. Are you being wrong on purpose? If so, to what end are you doing it?

You're entitled to voice whatever you want to. You are also entitled to make as many incorrect statements as you like, that doesn't mean they'll go over well.

an ammo magazine is often referred to as a "clip".

Deal with it.

Still a mistake, sir.

Now you are saying that, unless someone uses this distinction between the terms "clip" and "magazine", you cannot take their comments seriously when they discuss gun control.

After we watched twenty 6 year olds mowed down in their first grade class.

Are you for real?

9-11 was horrible, but if someone called it a football attack instead of a terrorist attack you'd look at them sideways wouldn't you?

I don't understand how this basic request burdens you at all. If anything it would make you more persuasive.

refer to the planes that crashed on 9-11 as 747's instead of the correct 767's," wouldn't you think I was an asshole?

I'd infer that the person who made the original statement was, indeed, the asshole.

important to you and we continue not to care about it.

Saves people the effort of opening the post to look at it to find it blank

Guns with high-capacity ammo make it much easier for people to kill other people quickly. To easily put several rounds into a kindergartner in mere seconds.

Quibble with that and try not to take it seriously.

That is an awfully acidic reply for a thread about basic information.

To many people, the terms are interchangeable. Especially those of us who were in the Military.

Regardless of what you call it, I don't care. Any capacity over 3 for hunting is useless. I'd be willing to compromise at 5. Anything over 10 is just ridiculous.

You mean these things?

and lectures other people, this is an especially dense post.

I mean this:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=banana%20clip

The limit is usually 3 or 5.

Florida's limit 5 rounds while hunting deer.

In that instance the terminology is correct, because of the unique mechanism by which the M1 Garand operates.

M1 Garand still uses a clip, it just feeds the cartridges directly from the clip and ejects the clip when empty.

En bloc and stripper clips could both be call clips.

just my subtle way of being a wise ass.

Sorry.

I figured

.... the clip is used to charge the internal (non-detachable) magazine, as per the definition of a clip. This is often confused with the M-1 CARBINE which does use a detachable magazine which can be charged with a stripper clip.

a clip is something an actor/actress bring with them to talk shows when publicizing their latest movie/film/dvd, etc.

It pisses me off as well but you aren't going to win any hearts and minds here tonight.

My suggestion is have another egg nog and forget it.

It is indeed a magazine but most people don't give a fuck.

..... and that is to hold the rounds before one round winds up in the firing
chamber of the gun at which after the trigger is squeezed the firing
pin hits the primer (or the rim in the case of a rim fired round) after
which the gun powder ignites which sends the projectile down the gun
barrel and then out into the environment which might be a movie theater,
a first grade class room, or a house fire in upstate NY and if that slug hits
a person they might very well wind up just as dead no matter if the weapon
had a clip, a magazine, or it was a single shot bolt action rifle.

The issue is not clips vs magazines but the proliferation of guns and a
proliferation of different methods with which a person can increase
the amount of times a weapon can be fired with out reloading.

"You don't really understand guns as well as I do so don't be
trying to push for any sort of gun control laws."

30 rounds no matter what they call it. I have always heard the word clip used buy experienced shooters as long as I can remember. Maybe the term originated from the M1 solders used in WWII. Either way I think everyone knows what they are referring to.

Someone should inform him of the correct usage.