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question everything

(47,486 posts)
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:34 AM Dec 2012

I am sure this will be asked by many: why was Spengler - the one who ambushed

the firefighters - released from prison?

I am against the death penalty, but if he bashed his grandma's head with a hammer, he should have spent the rest of his life in prison.

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I am sure this will be asked by many: why was Spengler - the one who ambushed (Original Post) question everything Dec 2012 OP
Furthermore, why did he have a firearm? Indydem Dec 2012 #1
Yes, and you're making the case for no access to anyone. Loudly Dec 2012 #7
That's impossible. Indydem Dec 2012 #8
they probably had to release him to make room for recreational drug users NightWatcher Dec 2012 #2
Bingo! n/t Cleita Dec 2012 #4
Let's hope that governor Cuomo will demand a thorough investigation question everything Dec 2012 #6
He pled to manslaughter alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #12
I'm just going by memory of what I've read about this, but I think he was truth2power Dec 2012 #3
Perhaps an incompetent prosecutor? moondust Dec 2012 #5
Because beating his grandmother to death with a hammer Warpy Dec 2012 #9
probably paroled out TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #10
He was convicted of manslaughter and finished his sentence obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #11
 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
7. Yes, and you're making the case for no access to anyone.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:48 AM
Dec 2012

Too difficult to cherry pick who "should" and "shouldn't" have access.

The only public policy should be in the direction of scarcity for one and all, from sea to shining sea.

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
8. That's impossible.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:50 AM
Dec 2012

If we can't keep firearms out of the hands of homicidal crazies and gang bangers how in the hell are we going to get them all in your little utopia?

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. they probably had to release him to make room for recreational drug users
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:40 AM
Dec 2012

Thanks to mandatory minimum sentencing for people who recreationally use drugs, prisons sometimes have to release violent criminals before they serve their full sentence. Either that or he plead guilty in exchange for a lighter sentence from the prosecutiong attorney who didnt want to have to work to prove him guilty and offered up a 10-20 year charge. I read he killed grandma in 1981, so add 20 or 30 years and he could have been out a few years already.

Just another sicko who should have been locked up till he died of natural causes. I too am against the death penalty, but not against serving life in prison that actually means staying behind bars till they carry you out in a pine box.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
12. He pled to manslaughter
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:15 AM
Dec 2012

He actually served the full manslaughter sentence and then some, since 1st degree manslaughter maxed out at 15 years then.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
3. I'm just going by memory of what I've read about this, but I think he was
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:41 AM
Dec 2012

convicted of manslaughter in his grandmother's death.

Why that was, for such a brutal act, I don't know. Maybe there was some sort of plea deal. Manslaughter would have a shorter sentence, relatively speaking. So I guess he served his time.

Like I said, I'm just going on what I read. Maybe someone else has more details.

moondust

(19,991 posts)
5. Perhaps an incompetent prosecutor?
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:15 AM
Dec 2012

Throw in some age discrimination because his grandmother was "old"?

Manslaughter for beating somebody to death with a hammer? That's the work of a demented animal. You don't turn somebody like that loose on the public.

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
9. Because beating his grandmother to death with a hammer
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:20 AM
Dec 2012

was called manslaughter instead of the first or second degree murder it should have been. It looks like he bargained down in exchange for a guilty plea.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
10. probably paroled out
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:03 AM
Dec 2012

"Life" doesn't mean "life without parole". They're separate sentences, and not all states have both. I actually think in death penalty states juries wouldn't be so eager to vote for death if there was a life without parole option.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
11. He was convicted of manslaughter and finished his sentence
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:42 AM
Dec 2012

The DA accepted a plea deal down from murder. It used to happen quite a bit for rather horrific murders. Doesn't happen quite as much now.

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