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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCould Crazy Wayne be Suffering from a Mental Illness?
Are we going to find out someday that Crazy Wayne was himself suffering from a mental illness, such as paranoia, delusions, bipolar, narcissistic disorder, ...
... and a generation of gun policies (or lack thereof) were drafted through the advise and threats received from someone suffering from such disorders?
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)Various people have written about the number of criminals with the middle name Wayne.
http://www.newsoftheweird.com/wayne.html
louis-t
(23,295 posts)The state with the highest rate execution rate. Gee, I thought the death penalty makes people think twice before murdering someone.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)louis-t
(23,295 posts)I suppose it's possible.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)Lint Head
(15,064 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)fits this description nicely
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)a political party, not a disorder
Seriously, paranoid is a marketing tactic if you are in the guns and ammo business.
Grandiose Oppositional Paranoid Party.
Denninmi
(6,581 posts)LOL!
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)to everyone we disagree with. Believe me, I get what you're saying. But Li'l Wayne is the guy who wants to start a "registry" of the mentally ill, and I just don't want to see DU acting like him.
He's a fascist, conscience-less asshole, that's for sure.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)mental illness also who are no more responsible for their afflictions than are victims of cancer or obesity.
Thanks for your comment, btw. Proves how civilized DU can often be.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)because you cannot imagine the shit I've been called in the last few weeks. Someone (not on DU) called me a Westboro Baptist style fundamentalist because I don't like guns.
But to your larger point: yes. Lots of discriminatory language has been flying around here lately. I'm sure I've been guilty of it myself.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)what happened to William Moore back in 1963 and it won't seem quite so bad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lewis_Moore
This coming April will mark the 50th anniversary of Moore's death. Moore, a sufferer of schizophrenia, died so others could be free.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)Thanks. What an amazing person.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History, very tangential to Bugliosi's nominal subject but grabbed my attention straight away.
I received death threats and was the victim of physical assault while protesting against Bush and Cheney here from 2001-2008, so I was struck by Moore's story. Such an act of fundamental decency and to be so rewarded (Moore, I mean). Made for a somewhat somber holiday for me this year, as if there weren't already reason enough for a somber holiday.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I did not know about this guy. It's sad to see so few references.
Thank you!!
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)consider myself fairly well read in the histories of the 60s and the Civil Rights Movement.
He should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, imo. Not that he will be.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I just started "A Disability History of the United States," and he's not listed in the index. I agree that he should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor or at least some post humus recognition. His is a story that should be told.
spin
(17,493 posts)and especially in the last few weeks.
But I am never offended by these insults as I realize that firearms have caused personal tragedy in many lives.
Some may find it hard to believe but the majority of gun owners also want to see gun violence decrease in our nation and would like to the effective improvements to our nation's gun laws.
We might find it far easier to find some common ground if we simply stop insulting each other.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)And I'm generally not personally offended by insults, although "westboro baptist" was a bridge too far, as I'm sure most DUers would agree.
But to use mental illness as a catch-all to explain what we don't like is pretty crappy. Many, many people have mental illnesses of one kind or another, and the vast majority of them are not criminals. I'm sure lots of DUers have sought help for a mental health issue at some point in their lives.
spin
(17,493 posts)may decide to avoid it because it might affect their right to own firearms. We have to be very careful how we handle the issue of mental health.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)some suffer nobly and attempt to get better. Others go into denial and either hurt themselves and, in cases like crazy wayne, others.
interestingly, it was like a subconcious hint when wayne invited others to call him crazy. sort of fessing up in public.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)intended). I was hoping to launch a broad plea to the DU community not to belittle the mentally ill by linking them with people like LaPierre. I'll grant you that LaPierre could probably do with a session with the MMPI, but mental illness is already so stigmatized in our society that anything that adds to that stigma is something I try to caution against.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)to see a National Registry of the mentally ill.This violates their right to privacy and violates the Americans with Disabilities Act.There are lots of mentally ill people who work. I would not want too see them lose jobs behind someone finding their names on some registry.This will only create a climate of fear and discrimination
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)I won't say anything close to a majority of DUers want such a thing, but enough people around here do to make me really uncomfortable at times.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)and you're right, they would face discrimination from those that don't understand. in the aids crisis, some who were diagnosed went out and had unprotected sex with innocents. the vast majority suffered noblely and sacrificed for the public.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)and the rest of society is being fashioned in his distored view of the world.
we have seen this in other cases especially with charismatic cult leaders.
farminator3000
(2,117 posts)as with any dictator
mainer
(12,022 posts)He avoided the draft when his family doctor wrote a letter saying that Wayne suffered from "a nervous disorder."
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
samsingh
(17,599 posts)i would expect someone with a nervous disorder to border on the need for extreme control and to suffer from abnormal fears. Most seek treatment. crazy wayne has gotten rich off convincing others to distort society to satisfy his own personality disorder.
spin
(17,493 posts)during the Vietnam war.
I chose to join the Air Force rather than be drafted into the army. In that sense I guess I also avoided the draft. Perhaps that makes me a coward.
I feel my decision was wise as I learned the skills necessary to have a life long career in a good profession.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)1) allow yourself to be drafted into the Army
2) volunteer for another branch of the service
3) go to jail (or go underground) to protest the war and the draft
4) emigrate to Canada or Sweden to avoid the draft
5) go to college and get a college draft exemption.
Beats the shit out of me which choice was the coward's way. I suspect it was option #5 (the one Cheney and Romney and so many other Fortunate Sons availed themselves of), but I'm reluctant to sit in judgment of any draft-aged male from the time. Likewise, I'd say that option #3 was the most heroic but, again, I'm in no position to judge.
spin
(17,493 posts)After technical school, I ended up as an electronics instructor in Mississippi for a year and then was transferred to a base in Massachusetts where I worked in support of a highly classified program in Vietnam.
I was stateside during my entire service in the Air Force although I would have been sent to a base in Thailand if I had reenlisted. I enjoyed my time in the service but the woman that I had married threatened to divorce me if I reenlisted.
I never refer to myself as a Vietnam vet but at the most as a Vietnam Era vet. I have a great deal of admiration and respect for those who did serve in Vietnam especially those who experienced combat. It was a dirty little war that accomplished little and changed our nation in many significant ways.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)to me the height of a self-imposed unfairness. I suspect, although I do not know for sure, that most Vietnam Vets (of the combat variety) would not think of you as a coward, although they might very well consider the label appropriate for the likes of "Other Priorities" Cheney and Missionary Mitt. (Altho, come to think of it, Bill Clinton also availed himself of the College Draft Exemption too.)
riverbendviewgal
(4,253 posts)Still on. The younger two twins were in the draw and there number came up..my marine brother spent typing in Washington DC the whole 2 years.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)serve who only stand and wait."
No one should ever accuse your Marine brother of being a 'coward', imo.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)elleng
(130,964 posts)imo. Its about his JOB.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)btw - his 1 million salary for creating so much destruction is a financial pittance.
its feeding of his paranoia that is the cause.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)he's become toxic
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The whole purpose of his meltdown is to make that the story.
KT2000
(20,583 posts)maybe a psychiatrist should examine him and see if it has progressed. He really has some explaining to do.
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