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samsingh

(17,599 posts)
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:28 AM Dec 2012

Could Crazy Wayne be Suffering from a Mental Illness?

Are we going to find out someday that Crazy Wayne was himself suffering from a mental illness, such as paranoia, delusions, bipolar, narcissistic disorder, ...


... and a generation of gun policies (or lack thereof) were drafted through the advise and threats received from someone suffering from such disorders?

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Could Crazy Wayne be Suffering from a Mental Illness? (Original Post) samsingh Dec 2012 OP
Really? HappyMe Dec 2012 #1
Perhaps his name, Wayne, is part of his problem LiberalEsto Dec 2012 #2
Note how many are from Texas. louis-t Dec 2012 #4
Maybe it was the most popular middle name in TX? nt LiberalEsto Dec 2012 #8
Hmmmm. louis-t Dec 2012 #35
i've heard of that connection as well. it's weird. samsingh Dec 2012 #22
LaPierre Disease. Hoyt Dec 2012 #3
that he has passed on to become a pandemic samsingh Dec 2012 #31
Wayne is delusional and paranoid. Lint Head Dec 2012 #5
and his articulation of a fortified police state as a model for America samsingh Dec 2012 #30
In the United States, paranoid and delusional is Coyotl Dec 2012 #6
So true libodem Dec 2012 #7
Good one! Denninmi Dec 2012 #20
LOL. Truth in jest. nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #21
paranoia is a clinical condition that afflicts some personalities samsingh Dec 2012 #23
I'm as anti-gun as they come, but I don't think it's a great idea to assign mental illness Chorophyll Dec 2012 #9
It sort of cheapens and demeans legitimate sufferers of coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #10
Thanks. I appreciate your calling me civilized... Chorophyll Dec 2012 #11
Oh, I can imagine, I think. When it starts to get a bit intense, remember coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #12
Wow. I knew about him, but I didn't know the whole story. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #13
I only stumbled upon Moore's story this holiday season while reading coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #33
Indeed. But thank you for sharing. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #39
People like that don't have enough statues. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #16
WOW! loyalsister Dec 2012 #44
As I wrote upthread, I had never heard of Moore before this holiday weekend, and I coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #50
Same here- particularly disability history loyalsister Dec 2012 #54
I am a gun owner and be aware that I have been insulted many times here on DU ... spin Dec 2012 #32
I believe you, absolutely. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #37
What I fear is that some of those who actually do need counseling ... spin Dec 2012 #42
it was not intended to belittle mental illness at all samsingh Dec 2012 #26
I know it wasn't intended by you and I'm sorry if I gave off those vibes (which were also not coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #36
thanks. samsingh Dec 2012 #45
I don't want.. SummerSnow Dec 2012 #15
And that climate would be the *point* of such a registry, too. Posteritatis Dec 2012 #17
many who suffer are never going to be a threat to anyone samsingh Dec 2012 #27
Yep. "Thundering Asshole" is not, last time I checked, one of the DSM codes. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #18
actually, i'm being sincere in this discussion. he may be suffering from a mental disorder samsingh Dec 2012 #24
i believe its called MEGALOMANIA farminator3000 Dec 2012 #14
He HAS been diagnosed with a "nervous disorder" mainer Dec 2012 #19
wow. so he's either a coward or does suffer from some sort of mentral disorder samsingh Dec 2012 #25
Lots of the wealthy and privileged managed to find ways to avoid the draft ... spin Dec 2012 #34
On cowardice and Vietnam: you had, as I see it, 4-5 choices. You could coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #38
You summed it up nicely. I chose option 2 ... spin Dec 2012 #41
I just did not want you walking around thinking of yourself as a 'coward'. That seems coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #51
my brother chose the marines because they were not going to Vietnam anymore although the draft was riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #52
Well, as that famous militant poet John Milton once wrote, "They also coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #53
Oh dear, the plot thickens... n/t Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #47
More like suffering from 'fear' his gun-maker 'owners' would decommission him, elleng Dec 2012 #28
i think he feels security with a lot of guns and he's used this to make himself rich samsingh Dec 2012 #29
i think he's going to lose his job samsingh Dec 2012 #46
Right. elleng Dec 2012 #49
If we're talking about Wayne, he's winning Recursion Dec 2012 #40
his draft deferment was for nervous disorder KT2000 Dec 2012 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Dec 2012 #48
 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
2. Perhaps his name, Wayne, is part of his problem
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:40 AM
Dec 2012

Various people have written about the number of criminals with the middle name Wayne.

http://www.newsoftheweird.com/wayne.html

louis-t

(23,295 posts)
4. Note how many are from Texas.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:04 PM
Dec 2012

The state with the highest rate execution rate. Gee, I thought the death penalty makes people think twice before murdering someone.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
30. and his articulation of a fortified police state as a model for America
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:37 PM
Dec 2012

fits this description nicely

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
6. In the United States, paranoid and delusional is
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:05 PM
Dec 2012

a political party, not a disorder

Seriously, paranoid is a marketing tactic if you are in the guns and ammo business.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
9. I'm as anti-gun as they come, but I don't think it's a great idea to assign mental illness
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:17 PM
Dec 2012

to everyone we disagree with. Believe me, I get what you're saying. But Li'l Wayne is the guy who wants to start a "registry" of the mentally ill, and I just don't want to see DU acting like him.

He's a fascist, conscience-less asshole, that's for sure.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
10. It sort of cheapens and demeans legitimate sufferers of
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:20 PM
Dec 2012

mental illness also who are no more responsible for their afflictions than are victims of cancer or obesity.

Thanks for your comment, btw. Proves how civilized DU can often be.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
11. Thanks. I appreciate your calling me civilized...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:26 PM
Dec 2012

because you cannot imagine the shit I've been called in the last few weeks. Someone (not on DU) called me a Westboro Baptist style fundamentalist because I don't like guns.

But to your larger point: yes. Lots of discriminatory language has been flying around here lately. I'm sure I've been guilty of it myself.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
12. Oh, I can imagine, I think. When it starts to get a bit intense, remember
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:34 PM
Dec 2012

what happened to William Moore back in 1963 and it won't seem quite so bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lewis_Moore

This coming April will mark the 50th anniversary of Moore's death. Moore, a sufferer of schizophrenia, died so others could be free.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
33. I only stumbled upon Moore's story this holiday season while reading
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:06 PM
Dec 2012

Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History, very tangential to Bugliosi's nominal subject but grabbed my attention straight away.

I received death threats and was the victim of physical assault while protesting against Bush and Cheney here from 2001-2008, so I was struck by Moore's story. Such an act of fundamental decency and to be so rewarded (Moore, I mean). Made for a somewhat somber holiday for me this year, as if there weren't already reason enough for a somber holiday.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
50. As I wrote upthread, I had never heard of Moore before this holiday weekend, and I
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:38 PM
Dec 2012

consider myself fairly well read in the histories of the 60s and the Civil Rights Movement.

He should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, imo. Not that he will be.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
54. Same here- particularly disability history
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:06 PM
Dec 2012

I just started "A Disability History of the United States," and he's not listed in the index. I agree that he should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor or at least some post humus recognition. His is a story that should be told.

spin

(17,493 posts)
32. I am a gun owner and be aware that I have been insulted many times here on DU ...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:59 PM
Dec 2012

and especially in the last few weeks.

But I am never offended by these insults as I realize that firearms have caused personal tragedy in many lives.

Some may find it hard to believe but the majority of gun owners also want to see gun violence decrease in our nation and would like to the effective improvements to our nation's gun laws.

We might find it far easier to find some common ground if we simply stop insulting each other.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
37. I believe you, absolutely.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:23 PM
Dec 2012

And I'm generally not personally offended by insults, although "westboro baptist" was a bridge too far, as I'm sure most DUers would agree.

But to use mental illness as a catch-all to explain what we don't like is pretty crappy. Many, many people have mental illnesses of one kind or another, and the vast majority of them are not criminals. I'm sure lots of DUers have sought help for a mental health issue at some point in their lives.

spin

(17,493 posts)
42. What I fear is that some of those who actually do need counseling ...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:11 PM
Dec 2012

may decide to avoid it because it might affect their right to own firearms. We have to be very careful how we handle the issue of mental health.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
26. it was not intended to belittle mental illness at all
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:30 PM
Dec 2012

some suffer nobly and attempt to get better. Others go into denial and either hurt themselves and, in cases like crazy wayne, others.

interestingly, it was like a subconcious hint when wayne invited others to call him crazy. sort of fessing up in public.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
36. I know it wasn't intended by you and I'm sorry if I gave off those vibes (which were also not
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:14 PM
Dec 2012

intended). I was hoping to launch a broad plea to the DU community not to belittle the mentally ill by linking them with people like LaPierre. I'll grant you that LaPierre could probably do with a session with the MMPI, but mental illness is already so stigmatized in our society that anything that adds to that stigma is something I try to caution against.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
15. I don't want..
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:45 PM
Dec 2012

to see a National Registry of the mentally ill.This violates their right to privacy and violates the Americans with Disabilities Act.There are lots of mentally ill people who work. I would not want too see them lose jobs behind someone finding their names on some registry.This will only create a climate of fear and discrimination

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
17. And that climate would be the *point* of such a registry, too.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:48 PM
Dec 2012

I won't say anything close to a majority of DUers want such a thing, but enough people around here do to make me really uncomfortable at times.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
27. many who suffer are never going to be a threat to anyone
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:31 PM
Dec 2012

and you're right, they would face discrimination from those that don't understand. in the aids crisis, some who were diagnosed went out and had unprotected sex with innocents. the vast majority suffered noblely and sacrificed for the public.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
24. actually, i'm being sincere in this discussion. he may be suffering from a mental disorder
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:26 PM
Dec 2012

and the rest of society is being fashioned in his distored view of the world.

we have seen this in other cases especially with charismatic cult leaders.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
19. He HAS been diagnosed with a "nervous disorder"
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:50 PM
Dec 2012

He avoided the draft when his family doctor wrote a letter saying that Wayne suffered from "a nervous disorder."

http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
25. wow. so he's either a coward or does suffer from some sort of mentral disorder
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:28 PM
Dec 2012

i would expect someone with a nervous disorder to border on the need for extreme control and to suffer from abnormal fears. Most seek treatment. crazy wayne has gotten rich off convincing others to distort society to satisfy his own personality disorder.

spin

(17,493 posts)
34. Lots of the wealthy and privileged managed to find ways to avoid the draft ...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:07 PM
Dec 2012

during the Vietnam war.

I chose to join the Air Force rather than be drafted into the army. In that sense I guess I also avoided the draft. Perhaps that makes me a coward.

I feel my decision was wise as I learned the skills necessary to have a life long career in a good profession.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
38. On cowardice and Vietnam: you had, as I see it, 4-5 choices. You could
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:24 PM
Dec 2012

1) allow yourself to be drafted into the Army
2) volunteer for another branch of the service
3) go to jail (or go underground) to protest the war and the draft
4) emigrate to Canada or Sweden to avoid the draft
5) go to college and get a college draft exemption.

Beats the shit out of me which choice was the coward's way. I suspect it was option #5 (the one Cheney and Romney and so many other Fortunate Sons availed themselves of), but I'm reluctant to sit in judgment of any draft-aged male from the time. Likewise, I'd say that option #3 was the most heroic but, again, I'm in no position to judge.

spin

(17,493 posts)
41. You summed it up nicely. I chose option 2 ...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:05 PM
Dec 2012

After technical school, I ended up as an electronics instructor in Mississippi for a year and then was transferred to a base in Massachusetts where I worked in support of a highly classified program in Vietnam.

I was stateside during my entire service in the Air Force although I would have been sent to a base in Thailand if I had reenlisted. I enjoyed my time in the service but the woman that I had married threatened to divorce me if I reenlisted.

I never refer to myself as a Vietnam vet but at the most as a Vietnam Era vet. I have a great deal of admiration and respect for those who did serve in Vietnam especially those who experienced combat. It was a dirty little war that accomplished little and changed our nation in many significant ways.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
51. I just did not want you walking around thinking of yourself as a 'coward'. That seems
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:43 PM
Dec 2012

to me the height of a self-imposed unfairness. I suspect, although I do not know for sure, that most Vietnam Vets (of the combat variety) would not think of you as a coward, although they might very well consider the label appropriate for the likes of "Other Priorities" Cheney and Missionary Mitt. (Altho, come to think of it, Bill Clinton also availed himself of the College Draft Exemption too.)

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
52. my brother chose the marines because they were not going to Vietnam anymore although the draft was
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:47 PM
Dec 2012

Still on. The younger two twins were in the draw and there number came up..my marine brother spent typing in Washington DC the whole 2 years.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
53. Well, as that famous militant poet John Milton once wrote, "They also
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:18 PM
Dec 2012

serve who only stand and wait."

No one should ever accuse your Marine brother of being a 'coward', imo.

elleng

(130,964 posts)
28. More like suffering from 'fear' his gun-maker 'owners' would decommission him,
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:33 PM
Dec 2012

imo. Its about his JOB.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
29. i think he feels security with a lot of guns and he's used this to make himself rich
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:35 PM
Dec 2012

btw - his 1 million salary for creating so much destruction is a financial pittance.

its feeding of his paranoia that is the cause.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
40. If we're talking about Wayne, he's winning
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:29 PM
Dec 2012

The whole purpose of his meltdown is to make that the story.

KT2000

(20,583 posts)
43. his draft deferment was for nervous disorder
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:17 PM
Dec 2012

maybe a psychiatrist should examine him and see if it has progressed. He really has some explaining to do.

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