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Not Me

(3,398 posts)
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:17 PM Dec 2012

Does the gun control argument need to be reframed?

There seems to be some genuine movement in making some changes to restrict gun ownership in this country in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and now Webster.

But is a move to *possibly* restrict large clips, or rapid fire arms as a baby step the way to go?

Should the opening salvo be, "Let's eliminate guns altogether" and let the negotiations begin from there?

When I consider how the right frames their arguments, be it the NRA, or anti-abortion groups, etc, there is always an absolute claim made, from which the discussion is negotiated.

What do you think?

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Robb

(39,665 posts)
1. The fringe always defines the debate.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:21 PM
Dec 2012

You need anchor people on both ends of the rope if you want to have a chance at pulling things to the center.

Notable to the tug-of-war metaphor, things are mighty muddy there in the middle.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. It definitely needs to be comprehensive. Just limiting high capacity magazines is a joke.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:22 PM
Dec 2012

That won't get the job done.

Although I would not be opposed to starting with "all guns," I think eliminating the "family deer rifle" (as one poster put it) would be a tough start.

I have no problem with the banning the family "assault" weapons though. In fact, one of our biggest problem is those who actually think "assault" weapons are a great way to spend a family outing.

BTW -- I consider assault weapons as just about any semi-automatic, rifle or handgun. If we banned those, the gun industry would all but dry up.

LP2K12

(885 posts)
5. Some are more open to change...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:28 PM
Dec 2012

For example, myself. I own an assault rifle. I only fire it at the range. Little to no ammunition for it is kept in my home. Yes, I go with my family to the range with it. Family outing.

However, I'm fine giving it up if called upon to do so. I don't use it to hunt or to protect my family.

LP2K12

(885 posts)
11. I do as well.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:58 PM
Dec 2012

I don't know how they can't feel it. Newton killed a piece of me. I have three kids. Aged five, three and eighteen months. I was already willing to support reform, but that day made me passionate about it.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
3. It seems to me that this is a kind of thing where one side will win at the expense of the other.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:23 PM
Dec 2012

I don't see there is going to be a win win agreement to this issue. Which ever side is the strongest will win.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
4. I think it's a loser of an idea no matter how it's presented
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:23 PM
Dec 2012

But that won't stop the Gladys Kravitz's of the world from pursuing it anyway.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
6. A better strategy could hardly be desired...for those who want no further restrictions.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:28 PM
Dec 2012

Such a strategy would only play into the hands of those who would (not without justification, apparently) claim "See? that's what they have wanted all along: to completely eliminate civilian ownership of guns!" It would light a fire under the people who currently think "well, they're not after my deer rifle..."

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
10. That would greatly empower the NRA and make it easier to dismiss all attempts.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:46 PM
Dec 2012

Its a very easy strategy to defeat. All they have to do is say, "go ahead" and let it fail.

At that point every more reasonable attempt can be framed as small step to the real goal of "eliminate guns altogether."

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