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Cigarettes don't cause cancer, Guns don't kill people... (Original Post) trumad Dec 2012 OP
Rape doesn't cause pregnancy... nt LiberalEsto Dec 2012 #1
A cigarette in it's pack on a shelf TheMoreYouKnow Dec 2012 #2
Then why even have a gun? Taverner Dec 2012 #5
And that's where the parallel breaks down. Igel Dec 2012 #7
Guns are designed to kill Bandit Dec 2012 #8
Next you'll tell me the Pope diosn't shit in the woods Scootaloo Dec 2012 #3
Smokers are taxed, ostracized and sent outside SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #4
It's a close argument except insofar as being entirely not-close cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #6
 

TheMoreYouKnow

(63 posts)
2. A cigarette in it's pack on a shelf
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:58 PM
Dec 2012

will never cause anyone cancer... just like a gun in a safe or a holster will never kill anyone.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
7. And that's where the parallel breaks down.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:31 PM
Dec 2012

Nearly every cigarette bought is intended to be smoked.

Some are used for testing, some are used for demonstrations of one kind or another, but nearly every one is bought for smoking.

Use as intended causes cancer.

Now try the parallel: "Nearly every gun bought is intended to murder people."

Some are used for testing. Some for demonstrations. But most aren't intended for murder. Self-defense, perhaps. Target shooting. Killing animals or clay pigeons.

Use as intended doesn't cause murder.


A closer parallel would be that "cigarettes cause house fires, therefore they should be banned." Rather misses the intended purpose of the things, even if it is true, and substitutes a minor consequence for the main purpose.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
8. Guns are designed to kill
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:40 PM
Dec 2012

That is their purpose and used as designed will do just that. If you use a gun for target practice you are just practising to kill... You can use murder in place of killing if you like but it does not change the purpose the gun was designed and built for..

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
4. Smokers are taxed, ostracized and sent outside
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:14 PM
Dec 2012

to smoke. Gee maybe if we treat guns as being as dangerous as cigarettes we might be able to move forward.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
6. It's a close argument except insofar as being entirely not-close
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:20 PM
Dec 2012

There is no notable similarity between the two claims.

The first would be equivalent to saying, "shooting yourself has no bad health effects." (Something that is seldom said.)

The second is a (stupid) argument about moral responsibility and modes of effective control.

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