Hell, for a regular civilian in almost any state, I don't even think you can walk into a school WITH any kind of license. Quit with the hyperbole - you're discrediting your own argument.

more guns....will make it better....hoorah

But calling 911 and having police come to a school with guns AFTER a shooting begins is good.
Gotcha.

Many schools especially in warmer climates have open air separate wings.

the idea is only to mitigate the situation. I don't think any strategy eliminates the first shots. In one case, you have wait for the mitigating factor to arrive and find the killer, in the other case (Clinton's and the NRA's proposal) the officer only needs to locate the killer. How many lives do you think not having to wait 5 extra minutes saves?

and Fort Hood was filled with trained, armed military personnel. In Colorado, police were on the scene within NINETY seconds and seventy people had already been shot. http://www.businessinsider.com/there-were-police-officers-at-columbine-2012-12

A lack of armed "good guys" on the scene is not the problem. Easy access to guns designed for mass killing is.

It was filled with trained military personnel who were NOT armed. The shooting only stopped when DoD police arrived with their weapons.

means that we might as well not try to ban assault weapons. After all, the 1994 Federal or 1993 CT assault weapon bans failed to stop columbine or sandy hill, respectively. Hell, the VT shooter didn't even use any assault weapons either. Forget cops and forget AWBs... you're right, nothing should get done

Also, rank and file troops are not armed on garrison. Generally, ONLY the MPs at the entrance gates and/or DoD Civilian Police are armed on a stateside base. A shooting in the middle of the base basically requires waiting for police/guards to show up... just like in the city. Ever been on base in the states? Nobody walks around armed unless you're at the firing range. Even personally owned weapons are kept in storage.

I merely pointed out the GAPING holes in YOUR logic regarding what placing cops in schools could accomplish.

right back at ya!

BTW, I am 100% for a 100% ban on assault/non-assault/automatic (semi- or otherwise) weapons, high capacity magazines and any other guns/attachments designed for mass killing. (FWIW, I'd like to see ALL guns banned, in fact, but realize that will never happen.)

I am NOT for putting armed guards at schools and calling that a solution.

at Columbine did not immediately enter the school. They were waiting for the SWAT team with the soecialized gear. Police procedures have since changed so that the cops that first get to a situation such as these go in and attempt to engage the shooter and stop the shooter.

As long as it's open carried. No license or permit needed.

You can't carry in a school concealed, even with a permit.

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And was a signature away from reality. As it happened, Newtown occurred the day after the bill had been passed, so the governor backed off an vetoed it.

With a gun, any gun, whether on your person or in your vehicle. Unless you are an authorized person ie a LEO. That will get your gins pulled, any CCW or pistol permits, a huge fine, and probable PRISON time.

I am in NC.

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Most states have no requirement to be licensed to buy a shotgun or rifle.

someone could show actual evidence that makes having a license to purchase a shotgun or rifle actually decreases gun violence.

should we stop issuing licences for dogs and pets in the meantime since they don't provide any value?

If the state wants to infringe on my rights they need a valid reason. I don't need to provide a valid reason for the state not infringing on my rights.

I have no problem with not issuing licenses for cats and dogs. As far as I can tell licensing cats and dogs is primarily a revenue generator.

you feel entitled to guns because 5 people on a court said you could. Five different people, someday will have a more enlighted attitude when they read the same words. that's why we have lawyers and judges.

it would be nice to hear someone say, for the sake of innocent lives, can we not do something and measure it to reduce the violence.

I am entitled to own guns. I just don't feel that way. The second amendment (as well as the other amendments) were written to protect existing natural rights from government power.

And it's the "Second Amendment" not the first that I believe you were intending to reference.

Yeah, try that, go ahead. I am absolutely sure you will not be fined.

A person is not going to get arrested or ticketed for what they might do.

People go to BLM land to shoot all the time - target practice they call it.

No, they are not fined just because their weapons could be used for hunting. You can look this up on google re game regulations.

The only way that person with a weapon in the woods could be fined is if they have a dead animal in their possession or are caught in the process of shooting the an animal, and there happens to be a game warden there to check to make sure their "hunting" license is in order. Because at that point, they are "hunting" and the license is required to "hunt". Not to carry a gun there.

If something has changed since yesterday, please provide a link because it hasn't been like that in generations. No one has ever been required to have a hunting license to carry a weapon in the woods.

The issue you should have tackled is problematic not because it is false like the one in your OP; it is because if we did change the rules and require a license to be carrying a weapon everywhere, there is no way that either a criminal or a mentally ill person would comply.

Compliance from people who are not inclined to do so or unable to do so makes any licensing to carry requirement meaningless, as it is these two groups that are committing gun crimes This is the issue that must have a resolution so that we can minimize the risk from these groups to the rest of society.

You don't need a license to carry a firearm in the woods. It's needed only for hunting, which is defined by statute as

Take, in any manner, any wildlife other than a fish, bullfrog, furbearing animal or coyote;

But the law probably varies from state to state.

Unless they find you poaching ie setting traps or carrying a dead animal, you won;t have anything done to you. Because you are not breaking any laws.

in......I have lived very rurally in each one and we can walk in the woods, any area that isn't private land (unless we have permission) carrying a gun. There are no game wardens just running around unless it is hunting season or they get called for some reason. Like Obamanut says unless you have killed something your aren't suppose to or are hunting without a license it is perfectly legal.

"Well regulated" meant well equipped, not controlled.

You just parroted an NRA Talking Point! Congrats!

Federalist Paper #29 defines well-regulated, as it applies to weapons & the militia, as "trained like an army".

Even just to toss it unloaded in the trunk to go to a range. I actually need a concealed carry permit for that. And I'll never conceal carry.

I was never pulled over, but the common impression was that you put it in the back seat or trunk unloaded and in a case of some sort and you were "transporting" rather than "carrying."

It even has an assault weapons ban. Just an additional part of the anguish here.

in to be repaired? Or if you have just legally purchased it how do you get it home?

Plus another if your moving.

Yes, follow what the emotional law of carry tells you, unloaded & on the seat in plain sight. While you have breakfast at the diner, the bad guy breaks the window, takes your gun and is gone.

But it's not emotional law, whatever that is. It's Colorado law -- which is among the most unrestrictive in the nation.

ETA, it seems I was overdoing things by unloading the weapon. Facepalm.

your gun during deer season unloaded and uncased inside your vehicle when travelling between your hunting location and wherever you are staying (not counting the metropolitan counties). Frankly, I think it was an uneeded change. I always case up the gun just to protect it.

Just because a word is used does not make it exclusive to all things. Well regulated refers to the militia, not the people.

Federalist Paper #29 is very specific about what "well-regulated" means, and it applies to people. Sorry, your NRA Talking Points are expired.

You need a license for hunting. If you're not hunting, no license is required. If you are carrying a pistol, you're obviously not hunting, so any game warden would know you're not hunting. People go into the woods to target practice on trees and such.

I think a poor person can hunt free? In Alaska, I understand, any road kill is immediately taken in and fed to the poor. So maybe the poor don't need licenses??

My cousin doesn't hunt, but goes up with a hunting group and tends the camp for them, cooks the meals, etc.

"in the woods" during deer season.

The pertinent regs are on page 20.

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/rlp/regulations/hunting/2012/full_regs.pdf


FYI, it is legal in Minnesota to shoot deer with a handgun.

And you'd have to see him, too. Most hunters, from what I can tell, shoot deer without actually seeing them. They hear them, mainly, and they shoot from a distance.

But not all woods are public woods. I'm not sure if you need a hunting license to hunt on your own property. But of course, there wouldn't be a game warden there, either.

There are a lot of morons out shooting games without proper identification or knowing exactly what is behind the game. However the problem is not as bad as you seem to think. If it were there would be hundreds of gun deaths during deer season in every state with a large number of hunters. In Minnesota, there are 500,000 hunters with guns deer hunting on opening weekend

Yes, deer hunting with a handgun requires a close shot but that is the case when hunting in thick woods/brush. The handguns used in this manner frequently have a scope attached. While I have never hunted with a handgun, two of my brothers have.

In Minnesota, landowners must be licensed as well. Yes, game wardens can go onto private property to check out hunting activity. Heck, game wardens have more leeway in that regard than other LEOs. If a tip is telephoned to the DNR about someone having an overlimit of fish and/or game in their home freezer, a conservation officer can enter the home and inspect the freezer without going to a judge and getting a search warrant. The tip must be credible however. I dn't know how that is defined, but as I understand it, this almost never happens in which the homwowner does not have the illegal game/fish in their freezer. A CO can also pull over a vehicle and search coolers based on a tip.

and would never intentionally kill an animal for funsies.

I'm from south Louisiana. The hunters there, as far as I could tell - from their conversations and from what I saw - rarely actually saw the deer they were shooting at. They use other signs, and of course have rifles or shotguns or whatever that shoot long distances. I believe that's the case because I even joked one time, when one said he hunted not for the joy of hurting or killing animals, but because of the skill it took, etc....I joked (but not really a joke) that if that were the case, he'd be photographing them, not shooting them, since that would take more skill. For one thing, he'd actually have to SEE them, and see them for long enuf to photograph them, as opposed to shooting at a sound and smell in teh distance.

This handgun, for example, puts out as much energy as a .308 sniper rifle, and can drop a deer at 200 yards! You couldn't pay me to shoot it though; it would probably break my wrist!

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_775663_-1_775655_757896_image

In many, maybe most states, the license is for the action, not the weapon.

as long as it is concealed. But it is illegal to carry your concealed weapon into a school even if you have a concealed weapons permit.

firearms on their premises.

It's pretty impractical to try to carry in a city. You can keep it in your car, but you don't need a carry license for that (here in TX, anyway).

I have found that it is far easier to carry a light S&W snub nosed revolver in my pants pocket than to try to carry a large and heavy handgun in an inside the belt holster under a shirt or light jacket.

I do know several people here in Florida that carry a full sized handgun on a regular basis. Still most of the people I know who have a carry permit in Florida carry a compact handgun such as a baby Glock, a Ruger LCP or a North American Arms mini-revolver.

In cooler environments I suspect that a higher percentage carry full sized handguns.

It's a pity they're so unattractive...to me, anyway.

My Dad has a pet hog, Daisy. The prior one was Tater. The one before that was Pork Chop. I don't get the attraction to them, but my Dad, a far rightwingnut who is not sentimental and doesn't care for animals, fell in love with Pork Chop, when they happened to get him, and they've had a hog ever since. Go figure.

They don't have fur, so you have to make sure they stay warm...with a heater in their room. They are easily trained, believe it or not. Still...I prefer dogs.

That's while they are considered pests.

I don't think that you would want a pet feral hog as they can be aggressive and they have sharp tusks.

turning in a butter knife that her mother left in her lunchbox. Now they suggest she pack a concealed weapon?

Now that's progress.

boy got n trouble because his slice of pizza looked like a gun. As he was eating, the kid across the table said his partly eaten pizza looked like a gun. The boy pointed the pizza slice in the air and said 'pow' and he got into serious trouble. His punishment was to sit at the 'silent table' the rest of the semester.

there are even more regulations on hunting than that - the season, the orange vest, et al. I'm no hunter, but if there weren't any on them, you'd have a huge chance of getting shot by just walking in the woods. Accidents still happen all the time.

But there are restrictions just before and during deer firearm and bowhunting season.