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____ Speaking Monday afternoon in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building even before the final deal had been struck, Obama celebrated having pushed Republicans to let taxes go up on the wealthiest Americans a sticking point in nearly two years of on-and-off negotiations and anticipated objections from his liberal allies, who argued that he was the one who had capitulated by not raising taxes on all income above $250,000.
Keep in mind that just last month Republicans in Congress said they would never agree to raise tax rates on the wealthiest Americans, Obama said before an audience described by the White House as middle class Americans. Obviously, the agreement that's currently being discussed would raise those rates and raise them permanently.
In this view, the talks were a victory for the president in which Republicans signed of on a deal raising $620 billion in revenue the first major tax increase in two decades but only cutting about $15 billion in spending. In the terms of the running negotiations, of the $1.2 trillion in revenue Obama called for in the failed grand bargain, at least $500 billion remains on the table for Obama to push for in subsequent deficit talks.
White House officials believe Republicans have crossed the Rubicon on taxes, agreeing to and indeed, proposed significant revenue increases for the first time in two decades.
Its a sea change, one senior official told BuzzFeed Monday before the final agreement was struck. It will inevitably make it easier to get Republicans on board whenever we ask for new revenues, because theyve already crossed that threshold.
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Flashmann
(2,140 posts)because theyve already crossed that threshold.
That seems entirely dependant on the thugs acting logically and reasonably......Put another way......Sounds like a futile expectation......
bigtree
(85,996 posts). . . I think there's a bit more to their reasoning in declaring this.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)in his televised talk:
And keep in mind that some of these spending cuts that Congress has said will automatically go into effect have an impact on our Defense Department, but they also have an impact on things like Head Start. And so there are some programs scheduled to be cut that were using an ax instead of a scalpel. May not always be the smartest cuts. And so that is a piece of business that still has to be taken care of.
And I want to make clear that any agreement we have to deal with these automatic spending cuts that are being threatened for next month, those also have to be balanced, because, remember, my principle always has been lets do things in a balanced, responsible way. And that means the revenues have to be part of the equation in turning off the sequester and eliminating these automatic spending cuts, as well as spending cuts.
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Now, if Republicans think that I will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone -- and you hear that sometimes coming from them, that sort of after today were just going to try to shove only spending cuts down, you know, well -- shove spending -- shove spending cuts at us...... that will hurt seniors, or hurt students, or hurt middle- class families without asking also equivalent sacrifice from millionaires or companies with a lot of lobbyists, et cetera. If they think thats going to be the formula for how we solve this thing, then theyve another thing coming. Thats not how its going to work.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obamas-dec-31-remarks-on-fiscal-cliff-talks-full-transcript/2012/12/31/0da38404-537b-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story_1.html
There are more revenues to come out of the talks that are coming up. The president was very clear that the rest of this thing is not going to consist of cuts alone: that any cuts will have to be balanced with further revenues. So the "senior official" was right: more revenues are going to be part of any subsequent deals.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)when facts are in, the statements change to "The White House Sucks at messaging."
W_HAMILTON
(7,867 posts)They voted to lower them. The bill only went up for vote after we went over the cliff and after taxes had technically already been increased. "Sea change" my ass. In fact, it's probably more worrisome that they couldn't have even put it up for vote before midnight, before we went over the fiscal cliff, when in fact it would have been a bill that would have increased taxes. It would have just been for show, the end result would have been the same, but they couldn't even do that most likely because Republicans wouldn't allow it because they would have technically been voting for a tax increase.
It frightens me if the White House really believes that vote last night, the vote to LOWER taxes after we went off the cliff, is a sign the Republicans are going to capitulate when it comes to revenues. You got the Republicans to vote to lower taxes, way to go. What an accomplishment!
For all intents and purposes, the revenue side of things is done with. It's all going to be about spending cuts and tax cuts from here on out. You might stave off some of the sequestration spending cuts by "reforming" the tax code (i.e., lowering taxes again), but I highly doubt there will be any new additional revenue going forward in the near future. As Republicans have already come out and said, this deal was their compromising.