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A roster of just how we might endorse the Republican demand to : CUT ENTITLEMENTS (Original Post) Mira Jan 2013 OP
That makes too much sense Flashmann Jan 2013 #1
kick and rec psychmommy Jan 2013 #2
Bookmarked Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #3
I'm ok except for that last one. annabanana Jan 2013 #4
Or if not universal, then Stonepounder Jan 2013 #6
I agree my mother is 90 and has two homes in San Francisco kimbutgar Jan 2013 #7
Nope. "Means-testing" is what is done for welfare programs duffyduff Jan 2013 #11
Exactly! Cleita Jan 2013 #16
maybe we should means test the salaries of those in congress. I believe almost all of them are putitinD Jan 2013 #27
No means-testing EVER duffyduff Jan 2013 #10
Agree! N/t quakerboy Jan 2013 #12
Same here. No cuts, ever Doctor_J Jan 2013 #36
You forgot about subsidies to energy companies. dballance Jan 2013 #5
Calling Mr. Soros: Can we write this in the sky over Wash. DC? ~nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2013 #8
You hit it out of the park! penndragon69 Jan 2013 #9
Absolutely incorrect quakerboy Jan 2013 #17
You must not have any clue about who has $1M in savings. IOW: MANY more than you suspect. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #26
K&R 99Forever Jan 2013 #13
What's unfair about small businesses cbrer Jan 2013 #14
All that plus the entitlement allowing religious organizations to pay no taxes, now we're talking! DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #15
If you're not careful sulphurdunn Jan 2013 #18
the middle class are the job creators, the business owners I know don't hire more help putitinD Jan 2013 #28
Naw, sulphurdunn Jan 2013 #31
Also stop using tax dollars to destroy our public lands with fracking, industrial wind, oil drilling Liberty Belle Jan 2013 #19
Social security and medicare have been paid for Progressive dog Jan 2013 #20
+ 1000 SoapBox Jan 2013 #23
Headline correction... SoapBox Jan 2013 #21
Excellent. (nt) DirkGently Jan 2013 #22
In regards to the last statement about slashing medicare and social security ... copperearth Jan 2013 #24
That last one is, frankly, stupid. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #25
agreed putitinD Jan 2013 #29
For a person making $1 million, corporate tax rates are lower than personal tax rates, bluestate10 Jan 2013 #30
kick 2Design Jan 2013 #32
What about congressional entitlements? Ghost of Tom Joad Jan 2013 #33
I'm not sure how wise it would be to cut off those farm subsidies. loknar Jan 2013 #34
Welcome to DU! yellerpup Jan 2013 #35

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
6. Or if not universal, then
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:22 PM
Jan 2013

you need to make the asset limit higher. $1 million sounds like a lot in assets, but in some places a $1 million home is middle-class. In the San Francisco/San Jose area if you bought your home 30 years ago and finally got it paid off, it could easily be worth $1 million today. And now one of you needs to go into a nursing home at $10,000 a month.

Currently, the system is rigged so that the middle-class cannot possible pass anything to their children. 15 years ago my mother-in-law had about $250K in stocks she had inherited. She died in a nursing home with $2,000 in her estate. She had to spend down her estate before medicaid kicked in.

kimbutgar

(21,155 posts)
7. I agree my mother is 90 and has two homes in San Francisco
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 04:59 PM
Jan 2013

One my parents inherited, combined they are worth over a million she rents the house she doesn't live in for a pittance. Sf is rent control and the tenant is disabled. There is no way i can get away with raising the rent. But it supplements her income so I can afford to pay her caregivers. Between social security and my dads pension she survives. She is house rich and cash poor. I think 2-3 million would be a good means testing threshold.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
11. Nope. "Means-testing" is what is done for welfare programs
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jan 2013

like Medicaid, Section 8, and food stamps.

"Means testing" would destroy the programs.

You paid into them, you are entitled to them regardless of income or assets. Period.

putitinD

(1,551 posts)
27. maybe we should means test the salaries of those in congress. I believe almost all of them are
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:10 PM
Jan 2013

already millionaires

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
10. No means-testing EVER
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:21 PM
Jan 2013

That would undermine public support and kill the New Deal and Great Society programs.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
5. You forgot about subsidies to energy companies.
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jan 2013

The ones for highly profitable big oil and big coal should GO.

Grants and subsidies for keeping investment in renewables and clean energy going should stay. But I'd be okay with those being slashed at such time those companies become as profitable as Big Oil/Gas and Big Coal. That's only fair.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
8. Calling Mr. Soros: Can we write this in the sky over Wash. DC? ~nt
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:14 PM
Jan 2013

Or a massive ad blitz might do the trick: just enough to embarrass all the 6
and 7 figure moochers who are supposedly "governing" our nation, into doing
the right thing for the people and for the planet.

 

penndragon69

(788 posts)
9. You hit it out of the park!
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:18 PM
Jan 2013

However.......i say we stop paying ANY social security to everyone making (or with assets)
over 1 million dollars.
Get rid of the wealthy FREELOADERS like McCain and the system would
be solvent for 100 years!

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
17. Absolutely incorrect
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:46 PM
Jan 2013

There really aren't that many rich people. Cutting SS to people at a certain income level would save virtually nothing. Last I had read, it would actually cost more to track and prove who was ineligible than it would save.

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
14. What's unfair about small businesses
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jan 2013

Paying taxes at the personal level if they're not incorporated?

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
18. If you're not careful
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:50 PM
Jan 2013

you disincentivize the job creators, who get up in the morning and work tirelessly to create jobs for the undeserving.

putitinD

(1,551 posts)
28. the middle class are the job creators, the business owners I know don't hire more help
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:15 PM
Jan 2013

until customers are literally walking out the door because they don't have enough help to wait on them.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
31. Naw,
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 08:22 PM
Jan 2013

the real job creators are the ones who can't be bothered to get out of bed for less than millions annually in salary, stock options, tax breaks and other perks. If you don't believe me just ask them or the stooge politicians who shill for them.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
19. Also stop using tax dollars to destroy our public lands with fracking, industrial wind, oil drilling
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 05:50 PM
Jan 2013

and other large-scale energy projects. Our region's most scenic areas are being destroyed, and it's happening across the America for projects that aren't even producing much power, and that could easily have been avoided by cleaner, safer alternatives such as rooftop solar.

Eliminating every subsidy across the board may be too drastic, though; what about subsidies to assure devleopment of "orphan" drugs by pharmaceutical companies for rare but curable conditions, or for research to cure Alzhemier's or cancer?

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
20. Social security and medicare have been paid for
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jan 2013

I am opposed to ANY cuts to these benefits to anyone. They are NOT a gift from the government, they are not welfare, and they barely keep up with inflation while GDP per capita continues to grow.

copperearth

(117 posts)
24. In regards to the last statement about slashing medicare and social security ...
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jan 2013

if this is going to be the law then there should be some kind of buyout, if a person paid into the system. If they had earned less than $110,000 and paid into them then they should receive some form of compensation. If you make too much to have paid into them then there is no problem. You don't get them anyway.
The problem that I see denying Social Security benefits to an individual, many are self-made. They may not have started their working lives making a great deal of money and they paid their share. They should get compensation.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
30. For a person making $1 million, corporate tax rates are lower than personal tax rates,
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 07:27 PM
Jan 2013

even at the Bush tax rates. The solution is for people earning over $1 million to continue paying individual tax rates.

 

loknar

(33 posts)
34. I'm not sure how wise it would be to cut off those farm subsidies.
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:05 AM
Jan 2013

I don't think anyone truly knows what the real outcome would be but there's a strong possibility that it would be bad for poor and middle class type people who like eating and drinking stuff. It might give small farmers a chance to compete but it might also double or triple the price of milk, butter, eggs, corn, beef, pork, etc. It is corporate welfare but, at the same time, it helps to stabilize an extremely important industry. just my humble opinion.

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