forum. Too late now.

filibuster reform only REALLY matters when one party controls both houses and the white house, but not enough in the senate for cloture.

that said, there are other ways to filibuster, such as anonymous holds, that could be discarded in the name of filibuster reform, and such things could make the senate more productive despite republican control of the house.

appointments and treaties. the holds relate to that as well.

what did i say?

And I'm pointing out that it's not just up to Reid.

i still can't get you to read it one time through.

jeez.

But he has not suggested anything of the sort that you suggest anyway, he's been pretty adamant about reform.

I only wrote a couple of sentences and in it, I said he needed to *try*.

Why, when my message was so short and so clear that I expected him to *try*, are you arguing that I said something that I did not?

For some reason you are insisting on NOT reading what I wrote, in fact, the only thing you've quoted back to me is a fragment of a complete sentence that I wrote.

Is it so hard to read my whole two sentences + subject line?

Isn't this a hell of a lot more work, to argue over something I didn't say?

Why are you doing this?

Do you not want to talk about what I said, preferring instead to suggest that I meant the opposite of what I said?

If you will allow that it's not just up to Reid, I will be happy to allow that it would be a very bad thing were it not done.

I just don't want Harry to get all the blame for your prospective doom. He's a nice, mild-mannered sort of guy.

the reason you're arguing with yourself is that you're arguing with a statement i didn't make.

I'm probably a latent troll, so keep an eye on me.

Sen Reid may be nice but sometimes we need tough. I will be terribly disappointed if he let's this go.

Have a Happy New Year.

Such deliberately anti-democratic rules should be done away with. It's one thing to protect individual rights and so on and another entirely to say that the will of the people is not to be trusted. Particularly when the alternatives have one and all demonstrated repeatedly that they don't care a fig about anybody but themselves.

And you know it's all about the money, they don't want anybody to take their money and status away, who cares if a few more people starve or die of disease?

Sen Reid may indeed at times be a bit too nice, but then, it might be somewhat an act, he didn't get where he is by being naive. And in any case I will take nice over the usual self-absorbed assholeishness of Politicians.

So I'm just not up for taking out after Sen. Reid, who in fact did a hell of a job in November, for example.

Edit: and Happy New Year to you too.


Edit2: Barack Obama is also a nice guy, and yet he has done amazing things, being nice is not at all the same thing as being ineffective. Harry has moved too slow on reform, has let the Wingnuts getaway with bizarre things, and his majority leadership has suffered for it, and so have we. But hindsight is always 20-20, he shares the same desire for effective, functional, and collegial government that Obama does, and he tried to work things out with Mitch, but the Teahadis wouldn't allow it, and you can blame that on the voting public in 2010 just as well for saddling Harry with those chumps.

I get very frustrated because people are literally dying because Congress is being obstructed by the Repukes.

But getting mad won't get you far either, and it ruins your day.

One of the things I like about being "old" is I don't have to struggle with my temper so much. It's like having an angry little monkey inside you.

Only Harry and only on that one day, the opening session of the new Congress, and not one of the other 99 can do it.

It's sort of like us with local House members, they don't want us pissed off.

are you that incapable of seeing what folks here are asking him to do --TRY???

you must be insistent on derailing this thread.

i even said i *liked* Harry Reid and that I don't believe the worst about him.

nobody here thinks he is a dictator, but he controls the *ATTEMPT* at filibuster reform.

you're just insisting on confusing what most of us are perfectly clear about and why you are doing this when it is destructive, distracting and leads to misinformation is beyond me.

POTUS second term depends on tomorrow, and to some extent the house. I laugh my ass of at people who say it makes no difference because the GOP runs the house

Ok so lets say a Dem senate passes a slew of good laws the next two years with 51 votes. Only to have the GOP house kill em all ...By contrast lets assume the filibuster remains as is and both houses do NOTHING the next two years . Yeah uh huh. The latter is sure gonna create turnout in '14! And POTUS' second term will be a great success I tell ya!