That seems to be the operative definition in Congress, anyway.

and lots of it the last I read

Just trying to keep this discussion as focused as possible.

If anyone would care to elaborate on that, I'd like to hear where they are coming from.

A lot of Israelis themselves are critical of various aspects of Israeli society and life, after all.

It is formulated by the neoconservatives, primarily because Hagel does not believe it is good policy to bomb Iran, which the neocons call "appeasement".

The media of course are not going out of their way to correct the misrepresentations, sounds familiar? Iraq has WMDs...

Hagel is not anti-Israel, though he is against the illegal settlements being built in Palestinian areas

It is in the January 14 issue of Time magazine, "In the Arena", by Joe Klein, and puts the whole thing in perspective

I hope after the trillions of dollars, and million lives lost we have learned not to listen to the necons, especially since we are trying to undo the damage they have done to our economy and way of life

That was used by Freepers towards those who opposed the war in Iraq. It's a way of trying to stifle legitimate criticism of a states actions by accusing those who criticise of doing so because they're motivated by hate of the state and nothing else.

I am a supporter of the late Yitzhak Rabin's policies. I think current Labor head Yachimovich is along the same lines as Rabin.

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I do not agree with his practice of appeasing right-wing critics of the peace process by greenlighting more settlements...a practice that did as much as anything else to sabotage Oslo.

I would clearly prefer Rabin, though, to pretty much everybody that followed,and would vote for either Labor or Meretz if I was an Israeli citizen.

I am for them having their own state but against some of their policies and how they carry them out.

Kind of like me here in the US - I am against some policies here and for others.

Some will say I am against the US because I don't back all of their ideals and policies.

So I am 'anti-US' and 'pro-US' at the same time.

Difference is, to some if you do not back Israel 100% you are anti-semitic.

but only give a grudging acknowledgement of Palestinian extremism then you're anti-Israel. Too many people on both sides believe that God has given all of that land to them and have grown up hating the other side.

This is why I don't argue that issue, it's a waste of time.