republicans.

of the gun industry.

I live in a rural area where many hunt. I know several people who hunt for meat, people who have no livelihood and who live... off the land. So a deer provides many, many meals. A wild turkey provides a family Christmas dinner.

So I am not against guns, or hunting, although I have neither guns nor do I hunt. But I understand that there is a need here in the wilds of Michigan, a state which has had such a serious economic downturn.

But I cannot buy into the guns for protection racket. Therein lies madness, and homocide. It makes me cry that anybody would see it any other way.

People here hunt for food. Apparently those who advocate hunting for sport would include supposed home invaders. There are no white tail deer invading houses here. And only an occasional raccoon or squirrel. Crime is very low here. Violent crime is basically nonexistent.

People here have guns because they use them to survive, not to protect themselves from supposed alien invasions, or any such thing.

I have no position on the second amendment. But the people around here are decent folks who make do with what they have and what nature provides.

Last year I helped a friend harvest enough apples to make over 500 gallons of apple cider, which we turned into wine. It's a nice brew with which the whole community helped and who benefits.

Rural areas of the world do this type of thing all the time. We prop up each other.

That's what makes a big difference. It's not the guns. It is ethics.

That's the issue. And it's not different from "MIC and Imperialist Army and Robocops" for protection -madness.

There are some DUers who are very vocally demanding 100 percent ban of "guns" while giving full support for MIC, US military imperialism and Robocop police state to "protect and serve" banks. At least when the POTUS is from the D party, not from R or Tea party.

I'll give it a 7.5. I'd give an 8 but you blew the dismount.

about someone in another country attacking 20 children in a school with a knife. All of the children survived that particular attack.

If we want to reduce gun deaths, we need many changes, many improvements in many areas.

guns make killing too easy. Im an iraq veteran. I know my weapons. I know how to kill with them. I know firsthand the ins and outs of different firearms. The way too easy access to assault rifles that maniacs have in this country needs to stop.

.....I wish you were a legislator.

kids, and they all survived.

Far more difficult than checking out the "easy" way.

One less thing for you to worry about.

eom

The Revolutionary War was a war. An actual war.

I have never read of anyone using a flintlock to shoot up a school or a public event.

You are romanticizing a past that never was and fantasizing a personal present and future that will never be.

If our government ever becomes fully fascist, how exactly will your toys defend you against drone attacks, pain rays, "Free Speech Zones" behind chain link fences (oh wait, that was the Bush administration), sonic cannons, pepper spray, tasers, water cannons -- and the might of the US Army?

"But, friends, I would like to propose that while all of the above will certainly reduce gun deaths (ask Mayor Bloomberg -- it is virtually impossible to buy a handgun in New York City and the result is the number of murders per year has gone from 2,200 to under 400), it won't really bring about an end to these mass slayings and it will not address the core problem we have. Connecticut had one of the strongest gun laws in the country. That did nothing to prevent the murders of 20 small children on December 14th.

In fact, let's be clear about Newtown: the killer had no criminal record so he would never have shown up on a background check. All of the guns he used were legally purchased. None fit the legal description of an "assault" weapon. The killer seemed to have mental problems and his mother had him seek help, but that was worthless. As for security measures, the Sandy Hook school was locked down and buttoned up BEFORE the killer showed up that morning. Drills had been held for just such an incident. A lot of good that did.

And here's the dirty little fact none of us liberals want to discuss: The killer only ceased his slaughter when he saw that cops were swarming onto the school grounds -- i.e, the men with the guns. When he saw the guns a-coming, he stopped the bloodshed and killed himself. Guns on police officers prevented another 20 or 40 or 100 deaths from happening. Guns sometimes work. (Then again, there was an armed deputy sheriff at Columbine High School the day of that massacre and he couldn't/didn't stop it.)"

[link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/gun-violence-united-states_b_2358115.html|

K&R

Hey keep you hands off my GUNS!!! You don't like it leave! This is a free country an me and my GUNS are going to keep it free!!!!!!

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The gun threads are getting on my last nerve.

Lots of people signing up to troll. There have been some decent ones, but mostly MIRT has been busy.

I said my word more times.

My word is your word backwards. I like my word better.

...because you cannot punish conduct that was lawful when performed. And you cannot make lawfully owned property retroactively illegal with paying the owner fair market value.

I'm not giving up my rifles. Ever.

I've had my say.

equating the two.