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I'd do nothing. | |
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I have assault weapons and assault clips. | |
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Can't afford to move. I'd warn other neighbors and wait for him to snap. | |
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get the red out
(13,468 posts)We have good neighbors and the market hasn't recovered enough for us to sell and move to a larger home. We sure couldn't sell our place if Rambo lived next door instead of an accountant.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)With high explosive targets.
Coyote_Tan
(194 posts)Need more neighbors like you ...
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I just want to ask every person who feels "high explosive targets" are a necessary part of life...
What happened to you? What made you feel the need to destroy?
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)I like blowing things up. I also like growing heirloom tomatoes.
I just want to ask every person who feels "high explosive targets" are a necessary part of life...
If you'll just point out where you think I said they are a necessary part of life, maybe I can answer you.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I just want to ask every person who feels "high explosive targets" are a part of life...
Necessary may have been OTT... but still WHY?
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Shooting is a very skilled sport. It requires a lot of emotional and psychological control, the ability to concentrate intensely, and a high degree of control over your body.
Also, guys just like to see things blow up. Have you ever head of pumpkin guns?
Don't ask me why people do this. They just do.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And I am a guy let me tell you from my personal experience we *all* don't like to see stuff blow up so that is a generalization.
But if saying "it's like golf" makes you feel better go for it. Last time I checked golf rarely killed anyone.
On Edit: I am done I don't feel like a war so you can make your response and we can go out separate ways.
petronius
(26,603 posts)small hard objects toward a distant tiny target, and people have no idea why you'd want to do it in the first place...
But it seems to be addictive for some people.
I don't criticize, because I kind of get withdrawal symptoms if I don't program for a while. I like writing code. It's addictive for me.
Neither sport has anything to do with violence, as far as I can see.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)You do a lot of walking in an afternoon of rifle target shooting.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)"Golf is a game whose goal is to hit a small ball into an even smaller hole, with weapons singularly ill-designed for the task."
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...charge give you positive feedback that you have in fact hit a target. That's what explosive targets are used for.
BTW it's perfectly legal. The explosive material is shipped as two unmixed components through regular US mail. It's not even subject to hazardous material regulations. As long as you mix the two components on site and don't transport them in a vehicle, it's all OK even here in California.
HTH
rustydog
(9,186 posts)When you want to engage in your hobby, you go to the gange, retrieve your gun, shoot to your hearts content but when you leave...the gun stays.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)rrneck
(17,671 posts)had those nifty electric tracks that take the target down range for you, a snack bar, and one of those giant interactive screen thingies for training cops. Oh, and it had a picture of Robert E. Lee on the wall.
Do you really want those guys in charge of an arsenal full of other people's guns?
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)Loads and loads of black powder, rockets and other potentially abused consumer items. Completely legal. Politician approved.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)we have gone from guns to just blowing stuff up. Cool I guess.... what!?!?
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)nt
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I am VERY anti gun.
- I do not own one.
- I do not think people should own them.
- There is no point it is 2012. Our society should be better than guns.
All I was saying in the previous post is, although apparently poorly worded, At what point does the 2nd amendment stop... these crazy people who say any kind of gun is okay then why is it not okay to have a grenade launcher?!?! Nothing should be allowed.
That's my viewpoint. Sorry if I came across "wakadoodle"... but I think even I get frustrated sometimes.
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)No, please don't do that. Even land in the desert is owned by someone and you'd be breaking several laws by trespassing on private property, as well as the illegal discharge of a firearm.
I live in a rural desert community and there are already 3 bullet holes in my barn from people like you who drive out here to shoot, thinking they are in the wilderness. They weren't responsible gun owners, they had no thought or concern about how far their bullets travel or the damage they did, because they mistakenly believed this is nothing but an unpopulated desert.
So far only my barn has been hit, but many of my neighbors haven't been so lucky. Stray bullets have gone through walls, windows, cars, and killed or injured pets and livestock. The use of "explosive targets" in an area of tinder dry brush has started numerous, fast raging fires that have burned fields, outbuildings, fences and farm equipment, costing not only the owners, but the tax payers who pay for the emergency response from police and fire services.
Please, be a responsible gun owner and go to the shooting range, pay the fees, and fire off your big guns safely... not in my backyard.
Zookeeper
(6,536 posts)and less potentially-lethal hobbies.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)They still do.
Mimosa
(9,131 posts)I grew up around responsible weapons owners. My stepfather, a decorated WWII Army Ranger, taught me to shoot using an old carbine, when I was 10-11.
Today I've friends who enjoy target shooting and collecting weapons. If I could afford the ammo I'd go shooting more often than just enough to keep my skills from 'rusting'. Owning and knowing how to use weapon could be the difference between being a victim or a survivor.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)One time, my upstairs neighbor's apartment got shot at in the middle of the night. I knew lots of people who packed a gun. It was normal. But I don't ever remember anyone with an automatic weapon or shooting sprees (just your average biker gang wars).
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)Kolesar
(31,182 posts)MightyMopar
(735 posts)States with Below Median Populations of Gun Owners
40. Delaware - 25.5%
41. Florida - 24.5% (Battleground state. See Florida in 2012 Elections.)
42. California - 21.3%
42. Maryland - 21.3%
44. Illinois - 20.2%
45. New York - 18%
46. Connecticut - 16.7%
47. Rhode Island - 12.8%
48. Massachusetts - 12.6%
49. New Jersey - 12.3%
50. Hawaii - 6.7%
http://usliberals.about.com/od/Election2012Factors/a/Gun-Owners-As-Percentage-Of-Each-States-Population.htm
pipoman
(16,038 posts)between your numbers and these..
Hawaii is ranked 36 for violent crime..not bad, I wonder about the rest?
Delaware #7 most violent crime.
Florida #4
Cali #14
Maryland #8
Illinois #13
New York #22
Conn. #37
RI #44
MA #20
NJ #26
At first glance, as a non-statistician, it looks not to matter..from a violent crime standpoint anyway..
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)have very dense population centers. That is where violent crime is most likely to occur.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)1. Wyoming - 59.7%... 43rd highest violent crime
2. Alaska - 57.8%... 23rd
3. Montana - 57.7%... 41
4. South Dakota - 56.6%...46
5. West Virginia - 55.4%... 39
6. Mississippi - 55.3%... 31
6. Idaho - 55.3% ... 42
6. Arkansas - 55.3%... 11
9. Alabama - 51.7% ... 23
Hmmm...maybe something can be garnered from this comparison...seems one may be less likely to be victimized living in the highest gun owning states than in the lowest, eh?
Oh, I forgot the link earlier..
http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank21.html
hay rick
(7,639 posts)I see a bunch of mostly rural states...
Cause? Effect?
pipoman
(16,038 posts)conclusive than the list MightyMopar posted...just an interesting comparison..the whole "more guns equals more crime" nonsense and all..
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)But then they did elect Sarah Palin governor, and most of them have guns.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)thx
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)increases incidents of depression. Alaska is #2 in the nation for rate of suicide..after South Carolina..
http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewpage&page_id=05114FBE-E445-7831-F0C1494E2FADB8EA
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)When people have to live close together, they are more likely to kill each other.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)I don't believe this is a problem solved with a blanket. I trust the people of NY and the people of IL to do what they believe to be in their best interest collectively..as long as it's constitutional..which I guess has been a bit of a problem for Chi Town, eh? Anyway, I trust the people of Montana and Wyoming to do the same..
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)However having vastly different laws from one town to the next within the same state creates confusion among the residents..this is why many states don't allow municipalities to be different than the rest of the state..
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)people, I hope. Because tough gun regulations are safest for the majority of people who live in mid-sized towns and cities.
I would like to see laws, however, that accommodate the different needs of people living in areas of different population density.
Some Americans need to be able to defend against bears. Most of us don't. That is why I prefer laws that are appropriate to specific areas. Is it that much trouble to leave the gun at home when going to a city or mid-sized town? I should think not.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)just that it is what often happens. Then the problem of moving..does one have to sell their guns before they can move? I suppose it has happened before..
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)of that family and maybe even their guests.
But anyone who would have such a weapon where I live in LA would be crazy.
I might find a lot of opportunities to report them to the police -- loud music, other things.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...out to the Angeles Shooting Range and checked out what people in the area actually do own.
ETA or the Chabot range up in the Bay Area. Lots of people bought AR-15 rifles before California's permanent ban so that they would be grandfathered. Many, many more have bought or built ban-compliant firearms.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Who we are and what we're about: The Appleseed Program is designed to take you from being a simple rifle owner to being a true rifleman. All throughout American history, the rifleman has been defined as a marksman capable of hitting a man-sized targets from 500 yards away no ifs, ands or buts about it. This 500-yard range is traditionally known as "the rifleman's quarter-mile;" a rifleman can hit just about any target he can see. This skill was particularly evident in the birth of our country, and was the difference in winning the Revolutionary War.
More gun BS on gun "club" website.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)All my firearms are either HD or sporting firearms.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Please spare me all the BS straight from Wayne LaPierre, Grover Norquist, Teddy Nugent, Ollie North, John Bolton, and worse -- NRA leadership.
The fact you own more guns than me, dang sure is not impressive.
In case you hadn't noticed, I had not mentioned a SINGLE argument from ANY of those people. And may I ask: how is my lawful ownership of such firearms a detriment to society????
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)You are part of he NRA... this man is in charge of the NRA...
Your buddy Wayne said this...
after Newtown.
So unfortunately by being a *edited to add "proud lifelong" member of the NRA and paying those dues you have well... bought in to everything they say. and what they say is a detriment to society.
I hope I connected all those dots for you.
xXRicanXx
(10 posts)Lol I'm writing on my mobile that being said, I have to go to work, and I wish all of you a good day
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Just as you may think that about mine. But when does it stop?
xXRicanXx
(10 posts)But eventually, regardless of who was right or wrong, neither of us have to be worried about being buried alive for it
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)"Yes, I am a liberal." ... "I am also an NRA life member"
Is a false equivalency. Just come out of the closet as a conservative please!
xXRicanXx
(10 posts)Just because someone supports a SPECIFIC cause does not mean their entire political demeanor is defined by said support.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)xXRicanXx
(10 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Hoyt has a valid question.
xXRicanXx
(10 posts)At least Obama was up front about it, unlike Romney who will ride anyone's dick to garner a vote
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xXRicanXx
(10 posts)There are far more pressing issues in this nation than inanimate objects to just vote on said objects.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)so are you claiming to be a liberal Republican? Because if you're a Democrat, why would you contribute to an organization committed to enhancing GOP power?
Your comment that it's "about time" a pro-gun liberal spoke out is pretty funny. This site and this thread are filled with gun zealots. Whether they are liberal, however, is a matter of opinion.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Might own one of these, doesn't mean they are going to "SNAP" as you stated in your choices. I don't own guns, but I do own these Nihon To, which I love, as they are part of my family heritage. They have a history and were most certainly used and worn by my ancestors. They are not just out for anyone to touch, but packed away, wrapped in cotton and placed in fine bamboo cases. I have only ever taken them out once to be displayed at our local "Sakura Matsuri" Cherry Blossom Festival (pictured) and that was a few years ago. It was too much trouble to remove them again, and so they sit in boxes, protected more or less by the elements.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)It is good that you are keeping old family traditions. It honors your ancestors and people to do that.
I keep weapons of my ancestors as well, though in the tradition of my people we don't photograph them to display to the general public.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Photos because it was very unlikely I would ever un pack them again, and they are kept well and safe. I had to get help from another friend who works with the Japanese Sword Society to make sure they were packed correctly. The blades had to be powdered so as to not allow moisture to seep onto the blade and cause rust. These go back to the 1600's and have been oiled and taken care of by each of my many ancestors. Since I am the only child of my father, he chose to give them to me, after my taking many years of Kendo and Kenjitsu.
The Sakura Matsuri is a very special event here in Japan town and held every year around April or March when the Cherry Blossoms are expected to be at their peak. Many, items of Japanese tradition are on display for a curious public.
Some of those traditions include the maintenance of Bonsai plants
Paper Dolls known as washi-ningyo
displays of Japanese armor
traditional Kimono display
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As well as sampling Sake
and Traditional Dance
Sakura Matsuri is a festival of all things Japanese and is often shared openly with all those interested in our culture and heritage. It is one of the more famous events held in San Francisco annually.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts).... and I am so glad you are taking care of them. I hope you have someone younger some day, someone who will appreciate the history and heritage, to whom you can pass them on and preserve them for many more generations. It is almost a sacred task to find and groom such a person. I wish you well.
Mimosa
(9,131 posts)Thank you for the photos, AsahinaKimi.
Unlike many women, I appreciate the craftsmanship in fine weapons.
A once avid gardener, I'd cultivated a few bonsai trees. Taking care of bonsai is more demanding than taking care of a hundred rose bushes!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)They are truly beautiful .. but my favorite items were these; washi-ningyo
That and ...um... eating Mochi
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)My wife is Taiwanese. I wish we had more of her culture and heritage around our house.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)In my culture, (I am Nuhndta Nooch, Northern Ute from eastern Utah) we are very reluctant to display our most traditional and sacred things because of the long history of abuse and oppression, as well as the rampant exploitation and desecration that is common today. Just to be clear, I wasn't making any sort of judgement on you for sharing with us
When is this festival? I am currently living in the Bay Area while I finish grad school and I would be interested in attending. I have made friends with a couple of people from Japan, and I have found them to be kindred spirits in many ways, similar to my own people in their values and ways of seeing the world.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)http://sfcherryblossom.org/
By the way, one of my best friends, is a pure Lakota. We call him "Mato", a name he chose, which means Bear. In Japanese bear is
Kuma. I shared with him this cute little song by Utada Hikaru:
http://www.viduse.com/Play/19265559/0/Hikaru-Utada/Boku-Wa-Kuma.html
I have learned a lot from him and have shared thoughts about Japanese Shinto.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)I am here until end of May, so I will make it a point to attend.
petronius
(26,603 posts)Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...is very important to my people. We call him Kweeyahguht in my language. We see him as a doctor and spiritual healer. Every spring we have our Bear Dance, a really sacred and fun time.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)I enjoy the learning experience and plan to collect a few more bonsai. If my one tree is really dorment for winter and not dead
Yours are very beautiful trees. I would love an evergreen next so I don't have to worry so much over the winter season.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)They are illegal, even for those doing iaido.
csziggy
(34,137 posts)My husband leaves his out, leaning against the wall in the hall.
His are not the heirlooms yours are - most of his are costume swords, like his Gandalf replica sword. But they still freak people out to see them sitting around like his walking sticks.
Of course, if someone got into the house, the swords would be right there, handy to use.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I don't expect any trouble where I live..but I have these.. and they can hurt...
Bamboo Shinai. I have been whacked enough by them, even wearing armor. Ouchie.
csziggy
(34,137 posts)Little squirt hauled butt for two blocks after I quit chasing him. That's how the cops ID him - the entire neighborhood saw him running away. We'd had a series of breakins - but not once they realized I was ready to whoop them with whatever was at hand.
16 year old kids terrified of a short, overweight woman. Pitiful. Of course, back them I could have whooped them thoroughly - I trained horses and was in shape despite being overweight. I could out run the kids, too.
I can imagine that bamboo shinai would hurt. Back when we did SCA, we used rattan fake swords and they hurt a lot. Bamboo, being more flexible would be much worse!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Retired from doing Kendo, mostly because its so expensive. I still have two sets of Shinai here, and every time I pick one up, and play with it, the memory of being struck on hands (despite wearing calf skin leather gloves) still lurks. I would come home with bruises on my hands, and my mother would look to my father and say, must she continue? I would tell her I love it.. but I had to figure out a way of avoiding that hand blow. When someone is very fast, sometimes you just have to endure it. It eventually proved to be a way to win, when you are striking there so often, your opponent can't even properly hold their Shinai.
csziggy
(34,137 posts)And that is expensive to boot!
I never got into the martial arts - for one thing they came in vogue in this country well after I was an adult and already running a horse farm. And my chosen field, horses, provided enough opportunities for injury without adding another one.
Your body language looks fierce in that picture!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I would rather be hit by a shinai then by a FAST flying Tree any day of the week!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Must have hopped the fence into the backyard and my 3 big dogs came out their dog door and caught him. Came home and the dogs all happy playing with some size 12 nike
csziggy
(34,137 posts)We were persuaded to accept compensation (payment to repair the door and window they broke to enter the house) and to not press charges, though the charges were not actually dropped.
A couple of years later the same kids burned down the elementary school in that small town and were again stupid enough to get caught. Because of the past charges (our burglary) they were not allowed to plead out and the oldest of them were charged as adults. Sigh.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)I own two btw.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)I would rather donate them to the Asian Art Museum than have to go hock them some where.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Heirlooms have been seized, and people there who practice iaido (like I do here in the US), are kinda screwed.
Pepper spray is also illegal!
Your iaitos are beautiful.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)Why do you care what your neighbor has in their house and why would you move anyway? Is there some odd statistical likelihood that they pose a particular threat to your well being or are you freaking out about nothing in the big picture? Would you be considering moving in this market because of a deer rifle? How about a shotgun? How about a pistol?
Are "Assault Clips" like tactical shears or something? Do they have a flashlight mount?
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xXRicanXx
(10 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)I damn sure try to make them move.
spin
(17,493 posts)in our large old home that was once a hotel.
Both had private firearm collections that included assault style rifles and semi-auto pistols with a magazine capacity of more than 10 rounds. Both men had a law enforcement background.
ileus
(15,396 posts)For some reason I trust all three of my neighbors that have oodles of firearms. (of course everyone has an AR these days) and they must trust me.
Carry on my friends...
Upton
(9,709 posts)and despite claims to the contrary, looks like the paranoid ones aren't the gun owners..
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)Her neighborhood was really safe until a mother and her 20 year old twins rented the private home across the street from hers. From that point on, neighbors started noticing missing items in their cars and no longer could leave their doors unlocked. One time my friend witnessed the entire household (including their visitors) get arrested. She knows they have a gun because she saw one of the sons run to the corner and fire off a few rounds when trying to intimidate someone. The sons constantly ring her door and ask if they can mow her lawn or come inside. One time they put a condom in her mail box. One son wears all black and stands outside in the dark looking into the neighbors' windows. Her sister visited one weekend, and was walking around naked after taking a shower. She noticed with horror that one of the boys was outside, looking directly at her through the bay window. She saw them steal her neighbor's power meter. She witnessed them "bike" jack some people as well. She's called the police on them several times and the entire community is in fear and many are making plans to move, as the people who own the rental home refuse to evict them.
In response, she's going to move, but in the meantime she's installing thousands of dollars worth of security upgrades to reinforce the glass in her home. She also bought a gun and will be taking lessons on how to use it and I'm going with her when she goes. I can't remember what type of gun it is, but it's not a shotgun.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Why do you think that way? ETA it's unfortunate that you have a problem household in your neighborhood. I've had that kind of situation in my life before, but never did I conflate criminal behavior with someone owning any particular object and not misusing it.
I think reply #16 isn't even responsive to the question raised in the OP.
Please explain yourself.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)I think assault rifles/weapons are the weapon of choice for criminals and people who need psychiatric help. If I found out a neighbor had one, and we had an interaction that made me feel uncomfortable, I'd probably do exactly what my friend did and buy a gun of my own. I wouldn't be able to match the fire power, but maybe I could strategically position myself to catch him by surprise. But again, that's *only* if the person indicated in some way that he was a threat.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...the weapons of choice for violent criminals.
Even if your assumption were true, it would not follow logically that anyone who owns a modern semiautomatic rifle is likely to be a criminal or mentally ill. In fact crimes committed with rifles in general are relatively rare, less than 3% of homicides IIRC.
I suspect that your thought processes have been shaped by misleading vividness in media reporting.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)That's possible.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)ie "Saturday Night Special."
Recursion
(56,582 posts)So few that when one does, it's usually a national news story.
About 90% of gun crimes are with cheap, easy to conceal, low-power handguns.
MightyMopar
(735 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Because he was already a convicted felon and didn't want to get in trouble.
MightyMopar
(735 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...that I co-founded.
former-republican
(2,163 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)ecstatic
(32,731 posts)feel free to respond directly.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)madville
(7,412 posts)I know he has an AR-15 variant and what appeared to be a tactical Remington 870 shotgun. He and his wife seem normal, no worries. I would be suspicious and maybe keep an eye out if they acted erratically or dangerously though.
I'm a gunowner, have a concealed carry permit, lifelong hunter, and ex-military myself though so I'm very used to being around and seeing firearms. Plus I'm in Florida, everyone here is armed. It's strange if someone doesn't own a gun here.
My liberal, diehard Democrat boss was telling me about the new gun safe he got over the holidays, very proud of it. He was a bit antigun for years and is now convinced society/economy is going to collapse so he's decided he needs to be armed, has a 12 gauge and a .44 so far if I remember right.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)to come back from christmas vacation to show me the .44 magnum he got for christmas. We are in Florida too. He and I and a couple other people in our department also have CCW but I believe I'm the only registered Democrat.
At the risk of taking this whole thread seriously I will agree that it's not the guns that would make me nervous - it would be the behavior of my neighbors. I wish I could afford to live next door to my boss. His guns wouldn't bother me one bit. My current neighbors are all good people though so I doubt I'd worry about them if I knew anything about their armaments.
I guess I feel bad for anyone that lives near someone skeevy enough to make them nervous. If that were the case for me I would be looking to move whether I knew of guns in their homes or not.
Mimosa
(9,131 posts)Way back in the 1970s, the neighborhood we lived in SW ATL became very dangerous, very quickly. People tried to break into our home, and my dear tabby was rope strangled and put on my doorstep. *cry*
We got the message to get out of Dodge, and moved from an area I'd known well and lived in for years. We moved out quickly at great expense to ourselves. Avoiding dangerous situations is the first resort, as any gun owner knows.
One of my dearest friends, a physician, is a veteran who used to win shooting competitions. I wish HE lived next door. But I'm in a fairly safe neighborhood.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)former-republican
(2,163 posts)That looks exactly like mine
Magpul stock , flip up BUIS , ARMS mount , Aimpoint , free floated picatinny rail forearm
Plus with an assault clip installed in the mag well.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Circling in
Yap yap yap
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Why would anyone need them?
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)As an example, I only have two types of clips: Moon-clips for a S&W 625 JM and stripper clips for a M1A1.
Since there is no such thing as "assault clips," the gun-grabbers can make as much noise as they want about prohibiting "assault clips."
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)Looks just like the 300 BLK I just built, except I have the Magpul UBR stock and a Nikon M223 1-4X scope ona Burris PEPR mount. Tomorrow I'm going to order an AAC 762 SDN-6 suppressor for it. That should really get some eyes rolling!
former-republican
(2,163 posts)Ashgrey77
(236 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)It could cause a large bruise, or even a small cut!
ileus
(15,396 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)But they are more dangerous than clips ever were!
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Stripper clip guides.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)That's what my uncle called them when I was a kid.
They do mess up the plastic magazines, so I rarely use them.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)Are you still laughing?
ileus
(15,396 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Not surprised at all.
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)need a killing machine, is a dangerous person in my estimation.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)know I don't care for that kind of junk around my family and to keep it on their property.
No need to coddle folks who probably ran out and bought more assault weapons, hi-cap magazines and ammo when Obama was elected/re-elected.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)If I learned that clown had those weapons, I would tell everybody on the block and the police. His other neighbor hates him and he already has been in the dock on weapons charges.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Kolesar
(31,182 posts)How very suburban of you. You would fit in the country club set.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Who could have possibly seen that coming?
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)cherokeeprogressive
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pipoman
(16,038 posts)Anyone who doesn't get it should google: "frank burns" buttinski
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Have you never heard of Chicago's gold coast? That's one of Chicago's neighborhoods.
Have you never heard of Chicago's Board of Trade?
Do you not know that there are multimillionaires in Chicago, include some of the banksters who were bailed out with taxpayer funds?
bongbong
(5,436 posts)That alarm goes off 24x7 on every post in the gungeon.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)Yeah, that's the ticket! You'll never have to actually address those awkward uncomfortable truths again; just call it a "(fill in the blank Talking Point".
bongbong
(5,436 posts)The NRA Talking Point "Chicago proves gun control doesn't work" is an especially ancient Talking Point.
Oh, and has been thoroughly rebutted over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....
You need to keep up with current events better!
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)No, it's not.
And you should get help if you think so.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)But the paranoid Delicate Flowers who depend on NRA Talking Lies for their rationalizations, and guns for their fear, do.
Undismayed
(76 posts)bongbong
(5,436 posts)Real delicate. Just like those 20 children in Newtown.
Undismayed
(76 posts)About 60,000 arsons occur annually in the United States. That's about 3000 times more than mass shootings, about 20 of which occur per year. Why the focus on guns?
A house doesn't mow down 20 first graders.
Ah, those NRA Talking Points! Always hilarious, always wrong, always a lie.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)It must be easy to find and a little copy+paste should give you an irrefutable response. Or you can just continue to call anything that doesn't fit into your personal worldview "talking points".
bongbong
(5,436 posts)You can buy pretty much any gun you want about 5 miles from Chicago in Indiana.
Satisfied, bot?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Any other mind reading tricks you can do?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)with yourself. Shoo, fly.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)On your mind-reading.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)BainsBane
(53,056 posts)You all say the exact same thing. That's what makes them talking points, that and the fact they come straight from Wayne LaPierre. Frankly, ya'll are just boring.
GoCubsGo
(32,088 posts)The guy across the street from me works for Wackenhut. God only knows what kinds of weapons he owns. I only ever see him with a BB gun with which he shoots at the squirrels, futilely, I may add. And, it my actually be an air rifle, rather than a BB gun. He's a nice enough guy. I don't worry about it.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It's life in the city.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)bongbong
(5,436 posts)For assistance with his paranoia & Rambo-wannabe-schizophrenia conditions.
Why would I? Most of my neighbors on the rez are gun owners, and there are more than a few "assault weapons" among them. I don't have any worries.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)COME ON!!!
How about-
If you knew your neighbor drank Budweiser and pissed in the sink would you move?
If you knew your neighbor only took a bath once a month and licked the inside of her dogs ears would you move?
If you knew your neighbor watched XXX porn while throwing plastic forks in the fireplace would you move?
LOL
petronius
(26,603 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)Do they ever go for neighbors?
I would think an employer would be in more danger frankly.
rightsideout
(978 posts)The neighbor behind me fired his gun into the air because the other neighbor's dogs were barking too loud.
I found out my other neighbor had a gun when he stormed out of his house yelling at the kid across the street for driving too fast. He threatened to shoot him if his kids were ran over. That threat got a visit from the police.
I did a survey and it seems most of the uptight white guys on my street have guns and a temper. Ironically, most of them also have fences around their yards.
I won't move because of them and I'm not afraid of their guns. They are the ones living in fear not me.
But I will put my foot down if they fire their guns into the air again. I don't want their bullets coming down and destroying my solar panels.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Although living in Florida this scenario is a possibility. In the meantime, I would not give them the time of day. Not so much as a Good Morning. If they asked me why to face, I would definitely tell them. You don't like it? Tough. Maybe they need to be treated like a pariah and SCORNED by the rest of the neighors.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)You may be missing the chance to know some perfectly nice and interesting people.
derby378
(30,252 posts)He who scorns today may be the scorned one tomorrow. That's the way these things generally work - ask Robespierre.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)I suppose I lost my ass going by todays prices.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Hmmm... don't see a poll option for that one. Maybe you'd have to get a timeshare and spend half a year someplace else.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)(I own a Ranch Rifle myself.)
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Some occasionally hunt with shotguns, however.
Initech
(100,100 posts)Who admitted to pulling his gun on people who walk their dogs on the path that goes behind his house - more than once!!!!! I occasionally walk my dogs on the path that goes behind his house. What the hell is going through his head????
rightsideout
(978 posts)He's probably an uptight white guy with a temper.
I lot of these "you aren't going to take my guns away" types are middle aged or older white guys which don't take much to set them off.
Initech
(100,100 posts)I live in Orange County California- very white, very Republican, and full of "get off my lawn" types.
rightsideout
(978 posts)She lived in Downey and had a cinderblock wall around her yard. She yelled at me one time for walking across her front lawn.
She died two years ago and unfortunately most of my memories of dear old grandma was her yelling at me and talking down about other members of the family. I never looked forward to visits to see Grandma because no matter what you did you would do something wrong. She was Conservative to the core and I butt heads with her on alot of things.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)Initech
(100,100 posts)OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)Initech
(100,100 posts)And yeah that was actually coming from this guy - that sounds quite insane that he would publicly admit to doing something like this. I'd tell the police and launch an investigation into this guy if he tried that while I was around.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Pretty standard fare in rural south Texas.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)If there was something about the neighbor that make them seem skeevy or an actually high-probability risk factor, that might be different. But possession of weapons that are very seldom actually used in crime? Nope.
juajen
(8,515 posts)I would opt to move, but have no guarantee that new neighbors wouldn't also have guns. If I had enough money, I would probably move to Costa Rica. This country needs some changes, and I am afraid they are not coming. I am too old to fight.
csziggy
(34,137 posts)I live in the rural South. It's a given that most if not all my neighbors have guns. Heck, one has a private gun range and spends many weekend afternoons practicing shooting.
Some of my neighbors are irresponsible enough that I've chased them off my property when I caught them poaching - AFTER I refused to give them permission to hunt my property. The one with the practice range, I don't worry about. He does not hunt on his property because he considers his 50 acres too small to be a safe hunting spot since it is surrounded by development, even though it backs up to my 60 acres, mostly undeveloped. By being there, he keeps down the number of poachers that might come onto my farm.
I'm not going to be paranoid about my neighbors. If they commit a crime on my property, I know where to find them.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Given the way the regular weekend shoots sound over there.
I am pretty sure the neighbor across the way has some. Now his widow. I know the next guy down the road has some.
If I thought any of these people were unstable, it would worry me if they had a pistol. As long as I know they're normal, I wouldn't care if they had a machine gun.
I realize that this isn't "normal" in the 'burbs or the cities, but around here, people use these guns for a bunch of stuff, including target shooting and hunting. It is normal around here.
Around here, if you don't have guns people assume you are a felon. It doesn't do a whole lot for your reputation. I don't hunt, I do fish, and I don't like guns, although I do know how to shoot. But scared of them? No. Scared of people who have them? No - I'd be terrified of all my neighbors. It would be like being scared of black people or southerners or white people or rain.
REP
(21,691 posts)dexter sinister
(34 posts)Is there going to be a "gun flight" like the "white flight" of old?
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)The anti-gun fanatics seem to be every bit as scared and craven as the pro-gun fanatics that feel the need to be armed to the teeth.
I don't scare easily.
justanidea
(291 posts)...my ass over to his front porch so that I could ring his doorbell, introduce myself, and engage in a friendly conversation about our gun collections. Afterwards I would smile, say "It was nice to meet you!" and invite him to come with me to the range next time I go.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)armkev
(5 posts)CrispyQ
(36,509 posts)Unless they come out of the house blazing, I will never get to know my neighbors well enough to know this about them.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Oh, wait. I already did that.
I live in Texas. I assume that a high percentage of my neighbors do. In fact, a guy at work just told me today that he bought a crate full of high capacity clips because he figures on being able to sell them for a considerable profit soon.
no_hypocrisy
(46,182 posts)semi-automatic pistol. So, sure, I'd move for something more.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)sent enough trolls over to DU to skew this poll.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I'm disappointed.
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bongbong
(5,436 posts)More hilarity from the Delicate Flowers.
Let me know where I called "all of these people" trolls. I'll wait for you to post your proof right here.
Just in case you're not sure what the word means, you can look up the word "proof" on an online dictionary like dictionary.com
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)You claimed that OxyRush & the Washington Times sent enough trolls over to DU to skew this poll.
Point out those on the list you think are trolls. In the absence of that, I'll infer that you claim all of them are trolls.
I don't think you have the guts though to point to the 45% of the respondents you claim are the trolls who skewed the poll. In fact I'm sure you don't. It's not your style.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)You don't know the meaning of either the word "proof" OR the word "skew".
Your Strawman-building is impressive. The things you claim I posted are pretty fantastical!
former-republican
(2,163 posts)If back peddling was a sport he would have a gold medal.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)If they seemed like a danger to area homes, livestock with any target shooting-, I'd call the sheriff.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Dirty, dirty, dirty gun porn. Ooooohhhhh.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)a big umbrella liability policy.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)Especially not he often barbequed and liked to share.
peace13
(11,076 posts)They were idiots. We had a better, chance of being shot by accident than anger. We stayed away from them.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)so-called "liberals" here who spoil for an anonymous, paranoia-fueled fight on the innertube, but that doesn't count for much.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Undismayed
(76 posts)If you were to judge by the responses in most gun threads, you'd think most people here are anti-gun. It seems that the anti's are just way more vocal. Most people either don't care about what guns you own or own guns themselves. This is as it should be. I don't butt into other people's life choices and expect the same in return. You know, liberalism.
Ashgrey77
(236 posts)Yes, this is a very scientific poll.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)flvegan
(64,413 posts)Knee-jerk idiocy aside.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)a heavily armed, paranoid person?
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)BainsBane
(53,056 posts)It was about someone with an AK-15.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Than someone who owns any other type of "repeating" rifle? I don't get that.
I would never pay so much money for a rifle, and I think anything tricked out looks dumb (ie also spoilers on cars), but it's just a rifle. Odds are good the people NEXT to them have "deadlier" firearms.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)And in a city like where I live something like that only brings trouble. It's a murder machine. No sane person wants anything like that. Yes, I'm making assumptions if someone spends his days practicing how to kill large numbers of people he isn't aren't psychologically sound. Would you choose to live next to a meth lab? I see this as comparable.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)It is not a machine gun or anything else. It is a "regular" rifle, it's just made to look "cool."
A meth labber and a law-abiding gun owner are not comparable. My God.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)You certainly don't. He's got the capacity to slaughter dozens of people. That's what I care about. There is nothing cool about machines designed to murder. The concept is perverse. Both the gun and the meth lab are dangerous. That one is legal and the other isn't speaks to the idiosyncrasies of the law.
So you all have the right to stockpile WMD but I don't have the right to live where I want? Is that what you're saying now?
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)I see a rifle.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)and want it no where near me.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...who owns a similar rifle.
I own one, and murdering anyone is the last thing I would ever want to do.
If I really wanted to murder someone I had a perfect storm of an opportunity Monday night. I driving to a restaurant after dark, and a person who fit two of my biggest road pet peeves - Idiot bicyclists who don't obey traffic laws, and people who talk on cell phones while driving - went through a red light, violating my right-of-way at an intersection. He had no lights on, and no helmet or any other protective gear.
Without any conscious thought I hit the brakes, hard. My SUV stopped about six feet short of the path of the cyclist, who continued on at a good clip without even looking in my direction.
If I had maintained course and speed there probably would have been a collision, and I would have "won." But I value life over all other things. Even the life of a low-life nitwit who doesn't value his own life.
If I was prone to worrying about strange things that strangers post on the Internet, I might take offense at your attitude. But I really don't care what you think. I'll keep my rifle and continue to keep it locked up when I'm not out using it responsibly.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)knocked on my door and started going on about the person in 01B having weapons, I would consider that person paranoid.
For one thing, how the hell would they know? For another, what exactly am I supposed to do about that?
Maybe it's just me, but I don't like busybodies.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)It didn't specify how one learned about the presence of the gun, just that it was there.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)BainsBane
(53,056 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Two neighbors got restraining orders against them.
They finally set their apartment on fire somehow and were evicted.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I'm fortunate in that we only had to put up with the super-busybody for 2 months before she moved out.
There are a couple of other gossipy people here, but I just avoid them.
I don't understand why live and let live is hard for people to grasp.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Or just bored. But they would tell everyone everything people were doing. It was creepy.
Loudly
(2,436 posts)I don't care how friendly to my own point of view was intended.
Might as well put a child porn image at the lead.
Shut it down please.
Undismayed
(76 posts)rrneck
(17,671 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Kind of muddies the controller's waters, if you will accept a mixed metaphor.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)"Assault weapons" is a vague catch-all term. "Assault rifles" are military grade and fully automatic, which civilian versions are not.
And in this county, I would be surprised if my neighbors did not have them.
Almost none of the people who own military pattern weapons will ever "snap" (whatever that means).
Ashgrey77
(236 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Would that make the McVeigh crowd more comfortable?
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)That is seriously disturbed behavior. I don't want to live near anyone like that.
Response to BainsBane (Reply #193)
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derby378
(30,252 posts)That can't be an "assault clip" mounted on the firearm - it doesn't have a shoulder thing that goes up.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)you posted that gun porn typing with one hand.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)response that adds so much to the discussion.
Yeah, almost as much as reading another one of the same 20-30 NRA Talking Points parroted for the 3,664,399th time.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)response no better than theirs.
Mine is amusing, at least to Liberals.
On the other hand, parroting NRA Talking Points on a Liberal chatboard is like posting creationist crap or birther crap.
So, your false equivalence is true only if you think Democratic Underground should jettison its TOS and become "open to right-wing memes"
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Most Liberals aren't that easily amused.
Of course DU shouldn't allow RW talking crap. I just think it's sad that your answer to it is a jerk off 'joke'.
> I just think it's sad that your answer to it is a jerk off 'joke'.
You want me to deconstruct why it ISN'T just a "jerk off joke"? Read up on semiotics on wikipedia and when you've covered that, let me know.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)They kind of bug me. Someone might use them to do something like this:
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Paladin
(28,272 posts)"One-handed post": Another useful phrase.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)They're everywhere.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)For one thing, I have no way of knowing what the neighbors have in their apartments. It isn't any of my damn business.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)civilization as a possibly failed extraterrestrial experiment gone awry.
NeedleCast
(8,827 posts)Are we affixing the word "assault" onto anything that can be dangerous now?
If I drive my Toyota Matrix over the speed limit does that make it an Assault Matrix?
(Note to self: Assault Matrix is an awesome metal band name...)
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Would that make the McVeigh crowd more comfortable?
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)Otherwise you just look like a fool.
This is a clip:
And there is no such thing as an 'assault clip'.
Why would anyone move because their neighbor owned a small piece of metal like a clip?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)Everyone already knows what dead kindergartners are. I guess it's because you don't know what a clip is and you are trying to create a distraction. How embarrassing for you. It's almost as embarrassing as you telling everyone AAPL is going to increase 60% in a year, only to have it drop 25%. I have an idea: stop posting about things you are completely ignorant of. So ignorant of that you don't even understand the meanings of the words you are using.
billh58
(6,635 posts)Try to get over yourself, and the notion that anyone gives a rat's ass about the technical details of fucking guns, or the correct names of their attachments. Gun nuts who parrot the same bullshit NRA talking points over, and over, and over, don't seem to understand that we don't care what in the hell you call your precious toys. It is you asshats who are ignorant of the total disinterest most of us have in your fucking obsessive behavior.
When your bang sticks become more tightly regulated, you can call them whatever you want (George, Lover, Gunny Wunny) as long as you register them, and take responsibility for them.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)If you are going to use a word (any word at all, this isn't about guns) either know what the word means, or be prepared to be laughed at for being the ignorant fool you are.
billh58
(6,635 posts)care what the "meaning" of a specific technical gun term is? Only gun fetishists spouting NRA talking points are anal retentive enough to be so pedantic.
Being "laughed at" by a Gungeon dweller is the epitome of irony. Think about it.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)I don't know!
billh58
(6,635 posts)A weapon, arm, or armament is a tool, device, or instrument used in order to inflict damage or harm to enemies or other living beings, structures, or systems.
The only "meaning" we need to know in order to regulate guns...
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)then you can stop using words you don't know the meaning of and attacking people that do know the meaning.
I can't believe there are people here arguing that they don't need to know the meanings of the words they are using.
billh58
(6,635 posts)because we don't really need your permission or approval to regulate weapons, firearms, or guns. But you shouldn't feel too badly about the coming new gun control legislation because, after all, you know the "meaning" of some special NRA/Gungeon talking point words that no one else cares about.
There now, doesn't that make you feel special?...
Oh, and BTW this will end our discussion because I'm placing you on ignore so that the rest of your Gungeon buddies won't feel so lonely. Toodles...
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)See ya onehandle! Good luck with your AAPL stock.
NeedleCast
(8,827 posts)Many years back I was a tech trainer for an Office XP roll out for a branch of Dept. of Justice. We trained employees ranging from federally appointed judges down to court clerks on how to use Outlook, Word, Excel and PowerPoint. The class was mandated by their headquarters governing body.
Me: "Okay, so now you're going to want to double-click on the..."
Attorney: "Whoa, Whoa, Whoa...what's double-click? You IT guys! You computer nerds! Why does anyone need to KNOW THIS STUFF?!?!"
Me: "So double-click just means you're going to tap the left mouse button twice..."
Attorney: "What? You know what, I have a secretary for this! This class if for secretaries and computer geeks!" Double left click tap! Who cares?!?!"
Me: "Well, you need to know what these terms mean to complete this class and do your job."
Attorney: "...."
Me: "Right...so double-click the Microsoft Outlook icon on your des...."
Attorney: "ICON! There's another computer geek word. We haven't opened the thing yet but you're in tech nerd land! Nerd alert!"
Me: "Anyone else have an issue with double-clicking an icon or need further explanation?"
(silence)
I don't expect you to really understand this story and get why you = the Attorney in said story. But you are.
derby378
(30,252 posts)And an "assault clip" is a clip with a shoulder thing that goes up.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The rifle he used wasn't an "assault weapon" by Connecticut law or the 94 Federal law, for that matter.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ever need for anything moral/ethical.
Why is it so difficult for those steeped in guns to understand? But then, those folks can't even understand the 2nd Amendment, and that it was written by a bunch of slave owners 200+ years ago, who endorsed killing Native Americans for their land, would not allow women to vote, etc.
billh58
(6,635 posts)If you're going to resort to using facts, then there is just no reason to continue this conversation...
NeedleCast
(8,827 posts)I mean, technically, as definitions go, you couldn't, because there's no such animal. I just get a image in my head of me pointing at a stack of books and saying "look at those roosters" and you going "yeah, I understand what you mean" when you clearly can't because I've just redefined a word or created a linkage that doesn't exist.
(Standard disclaimer for gun threads - I don't own any guns).
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)NeedleCast
(8,827 posts)You said an "assault clip" is a "device to feed more bullets to the chamber than any moral person will need..."
Can you give me an actual definition of those two words?
Do you not see this is an undefined idea/thing as there is no arbiter of morality? I'm really trying to tap dance for you here because at any moment any one of dozens of potential people is going to pop up, call me a Precious Flower or Gun Nut (despite the fact that I don't own any guns) accuse me of NRA talking points and were back at step 1.
An "assault clip" isn't, by definition a thing. I can't point at my Jeep Wrangler and say "Yeah, that's my ArfGarble" and expect people to know what I'm talking about. If you ask random people on the street what an "assault clip" is, you probably wouldn't get the same answer twice and probably would instead get a funny look because most people wouldn't understand what you're talking about.
To me, this thread (and the hundreds that came before it) are a beautiful, exquisite example of why the country makes no progress on this issue.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)Why is it so difficult for those that want to take away people's constitutional rights to understand? But then, those folks can't even understand the racist origins of gun control, and that they were written to prevent blacks and hispanics from owning guns.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)You left out a couple of NRA talking points.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)When you call something an NRA talking point you are just admitting you have no argument.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)You admitted you have no argument with your post.
Ashgrey77
(236 posts)And what does a inanimate object have to do with actual morality? Those same "slave owners" also wrote the first amendment which you seem to enjoy using so much.
NeedleCast
(8,827 posts)At what capacity does a clip become and Assault Clip or (as your suggested) A Domestic Terrorist Clip?
Are you suggesting that people who own clips that hold more than (x) bullets are terrorists?
(Standard disclaimer for gun threads - I don't own any guns).
samsingh
(17,601 posts)RetroGamer1971
(177 posts)I live in Az. I assume people are armed unless it is proved otherwise!
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Do you even care?
(To make it an assault weapon, it would need a bayonet mount. Yes, really. This is why we keep bringing definitions up.)
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Who cares about bayonet mounts and such. If you can measure any degree of excitement in a yahoo, it's an "assault" weapons in my mind. I'll have to work on suggested legislative verbiage.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's what it bans
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Heck, you could define it as a semi-autos, period to keep it simple.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's not my preferred course, but that at least does what you're trying to do, so if nothing else you wouldn't have me filling up your threads with reminders that what you're advocating doesn't do what you want it to. So, by all means, just say "ban all semi-autos".
kudzu22
(1,273 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)swarm of newbie Gungeon recruits (read trolls) with this poll. It's comical to see them rushing to defend a mythical neighbor with a gun. Almost as funny as watching them run around in circles with their hair on fire and screaming "my 2nd Amendment rights!"
NeedleCast
(8,827 posts)of gun grabbers.
And then everyone class each other names, no meaningful dialogue takes place.
Return to step 1.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)...ixnay on the urposepay...
billh58
(6,635 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)*shrug*
I love bringing pie to neighbors. Also samosas, now that my wife divulged her "ancient Bengali secret" (*cough* planko *cough*) for cooking them.
doc03
(35,363 posts)Remmah2
(3,291 posts)I might move if they were cooking meth or if it was a flop house for meth heads.
I also might move if they had NY Jets bumper stickers on their cars.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)guardian
(2,282 posts)I went back today and looked at the OP's poll results. 71% of DUers have no problem with their neighbor owning assault weapons. Only a minority of 29% would object. I wonder how this DU poll would compare with a similar nationwide poll?
nachosgrande
(66 posts)The question posed was would you move if you knew your neighbor owned assault rifles. I voted no to that question; not that I had no problem with people owning them. I'd rather prefer that no one owned assault rifles, or any type of weapons in general, but the fact remains that they're currently legal and my neighbor has the right to own them. Assuming I knew and trusted my neighbor, I wouldn't move over them owning an assault weapon. Now, if I thought my neighbor was a danger to me or family based on their demonstrated behavior and I knew they owned assault weapons, then I'd probably be looking to get the hell out of Dodge.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)who owns several assault rifles into joining the Army.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)tavernier
(12,400 posts)We are fast becoming (or trying to become) an Escape From New York society. Soon the criminals and NRA gang will be the only ones who will want to live here. Perhaps a few decades after they destroy each other in their wars, normal peaceful people will return. But the clean up will be a bitch.