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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:39 PM Jan 2013

If Your Knew Your Neighbor Had Assault Weapons And Assault Clips, Would You Move?



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Yes
16 (19%)
No
55 (64%)
I'd do nothing.
0 (0%)
I have assault weapons and assault clips.
6 (7%)
Can't afford to move. I'd warn other neighbors and wait for him to snap.
9 (10%)
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If Your Knew Your Neighbor Had Assault Weapons And Assault Clips, Would You Move? (Original Post) onehandle Jan 2013 OP
No get the red out Jan 2013 #1
I'd introduce myself, compare collections, and invite the person to go out shooting in the desert slackmaster Jan 2013 #2
Sounds good... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #60
WHY?!?! Agschmid Jan 2013 #66
I'm a friendly, outgoing, neighborly person slackmaster Jan 2013 #68
Ok then I will edit. Agschmid Jan 2013 #72
It's like golf Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #86
No it's not like golf. Agschmid Jan 2013 #87
An expensive and often frustrating sport where you spend hours and hours propelling petronius Jan 2013 #92
Exactly Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #97
A lot of gun cultists like to shoot targets that resemble people. Hoyt Jan 2013 #101
Or, a good walk spoiled. slackmaster Jan 2013 #126
I rather prefer the Churchill commentary: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #157
When you are shooting at soda can size targets at 500 or 600 yards, or more, a SMALL explosive... slackmaster Jan 2013 #125
Cool! Then make it law that your gun is kept in storage at a licensed gun range rustydog Jan 2013 #284
Naw. slackmaster Jan 2013 #316
The last gun range I was in rrneck Jan 2013 #318
There's all kinds of fireworks supermarkets throughout PA, OH, ID. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #292
Alright Agschmid Jan 2013 #295
Knock it off with the NRA talking points. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #296
If I made one I am sorry. Agschmid Jan 2013 #303
They Even Sell Them in Gas Stations AndyTiedye Jan 2013 #339
ugh... procon Jan 2013 #270
Yes, if I could. And hope the next neighbor had more productive... Zookeeper Jan 2013 #3
Where I grew up, everyone had guns graywarrior Jan 2013 #4
Same here in GA as it was in Lousiana. Mimosa Jan 2013 #112
The city I grew up in is volatile graywarrior Jan 2013 #120
Yup, here too obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #207
Around 40% of homes have guns...where are you going to move to? pipoman Jan 2013 #5
Not all of them have kindergarden-sweepers and the odd boys who buy them...eom Kolesar Jan 2013 #30
Hawaii would be a good place MightyMopar Jan 2013 #103
Interesting comparison pipoman Jan 2013 #118
Florida, California, Maryland, New York, Illinois and New Jersey and maybe even the others JDPriestly Jan 2013 #324
Yep...interesting isn't it.. pipoman Jan 2013 #328
Thought it might be fun to look at the other end of your list too... pipoman Jan 2013 #154
Proving nothing. hay rick Jan 2013 #170
Yeah, I realize it isn't any more or any less pipoman Jan 2013 #176
What's Going on in Arkansas? AndyTiedye Jan 2013 #174
I wondered that too.. pipoman Jan 2013 #177
According to Your Source, Alaska is #6, not #23 AndyTiedye Jan 2013 #298
Hmm you're right...I see what I did there.. pipoman Jan 2013 #329
Anyone Know Why It Should be So High in Alaska? AndyTiedye Jan 2013 #338
Heard that the long periods of darkness pipoman Jan 2013 #343
All states with low population density. Idaho? Montana? Very low density. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #325
I agree.. pipoman Jan 2013 #327
My view. It is a local issue. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #336
maybe pipoman Jan 2013 #337
If that is your view, then you won't mind if we pass the laws that are safest for the most JDPriestly Jan 2013 #340
I wouldn't say it is my view, pipoman Jan 2013 #342
It would depend on my judgment about the personality of my neighbor and ALL the members JDPriestly Jan 2013 #6
If by LA you mean Los Angeles, you would probably be very surprised if you took a drive one day... slackmaster Jan 2013 #7
Checked out the Chabot range Website, and demographics were as I would have guessed. Hoyt Jan 2013 #57
pretty wood furniture on that AR. ileus Jan 2013 #88
Figured it would turn you on. How many assault weapons have you acquired since Sandy Hook? Hoyt Jan 2013 #90
I never had any assault weapons before the SH incident. ileus Jan 2013 #93
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #226
Good for you. Enjoy all your guns, and detrimental impact on society. Hoyt Jan 2013 #233
+1 n/t Agschmid Jan 2013 #242
LOL xXRicanXx Jan 2013 #246
Let me put it easy... Agschmid Jan 2013 #254
Well sir or ma'am, that is my opinion and just one of many* xXRicanXx Jan 2013 #257
Your entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to think it is wrong. Agschmid Jan 2013 #259
I guess only time will tell. xXRicanXx Jan 2013 #263
+1 Hanzip Jan 2013 #294
This... Agschmid Jan 2013 #241
Not necessarily so xXRicanXx Jan 2013 #248
Would you vote for a Republican if your right to cover yourself in arms were severely restricted? Hoyt Jan 2013 #255
No sir, I voted democrat this past election, thank you very much. xXRicanXx Jan 2013 #258
Yeah but who threatened to take them away this election... Agschmid Jan 2013 #260
Clearly both candidates were not pro firearms xXRicanXx Jan 2013 #264
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #265
Reply part 2 xXRicanXx Jan 2013 #261
The NRA is committed to electing Republicans BainsBane Jan 2013 #293
This weapon is legal in California: hack89 Jan 2013 #175
But it shouldn't be, and those who covet them need counseling. Hoyt Jan 2013 #235
Just because someone AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #8
Beautiful Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #46
I had a friend take the AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #59
Those swords are beautiful and a wonderful heritage ..... oldhippie Jan 2013 #96
Love your collections! Mimosa Jan 2013 #102
Thanks..I think I have a few more photos I took of them.. AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #115
Very nice .... oldhippie Jan 2013 #123
Thank you for sharing those with us. Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #150
Here is a link to this years festivities AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #151
Thanks. Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #155
Very cool, thanks! Just filled in a blank space on my calendar... petronius Jan 2013 #158
The bear... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #182
last spring I bought my first bonsai. I agree taking good care is very demanding. Sunlei Jan 2013 #146
Wow. Is that not even close to the same thing. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #52
It is in the UK obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #209
At least you pack your swords away! csziggy Jan 2013 #81
haha ... AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #84
I once chased a burglar out with one of our walking sticks. csziggy Jan 2013 #98
I have long since AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #111
It's hard to keep up with a sport that injures you csziggy Jan 2013 #167
I used to snow ski in Utah too AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #314
Haha great burglar story, good the cops caught him! I only saw the tennis shoe of the last burglar. Sunlei Jan 2013 #140
That kid and his friends were given a second chance and blew it csziggy Jan 2013 #172
They do hurt obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #210
Those are illegal in the UK obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #208
Sure glad I don't live in the UK AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #313
I know obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #320
You might enjoy this website.. AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #321
Thanks! obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #322
Where the hell would one move to avoid having such a neighbor? TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Jan 2013 #13
Could not have put it any better my friend xXRicanXx Jan 2013 #252
NO, but TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #10
No. LP2K12 Jan 2013 #11
We have had two gentlemen who roomed with us for a while ... spin Jan 2013 #12
They do and I haven't ileus Jan 2013 #14
Of course not.. Upton Jan 2013 #15
A friend of mine is in that situation. Her neighbors are criminals. She wants to move. ecstatic Jan 2013 #16
It's unfortunate that you equate a neighbor lawfully owning a firearm with one being a criminal slackmaster Jan 2013 #21
I didn't mean to, but now that you bring it up ecstatic Jan 2013 #25
Let's assume that your first sentence is true, even though it's not because handguns are really... slackmaster Jan 2013 #28
"I suspect that your thought processes have been shaped by misleading vividness in media reporting" ecstatic Jan 2013 #37
They usually use cheap .22s obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #211
Very few criminals use a $1000 + rifle Recursion Jan 2013 #251
All gun owners aren't criminals but all criminals want guns MightyMopar Jan 2013 #109
Not true. My friend "Jim" the felon (not his real name) used toy guns when he robbed people. slackmaster Jan 2013 #122
Wouldn't know. Don't have any friends who robbed anyone with a gun or the illusion of one MightyMopar Jan 2013 #129
"Jim" (not his real name) is the only one I know. He was the main talent for a record company... slackmaster Jan 2013 #132
Is this a serious thread... former-republican Jan 2013 #17
I think it was until reply #16. slackmaster Jan 2013 #18
If you have a problem with my post ecstatic Jan 2013 #20
Done as requested. slackmaster Jan 2013 #22
I've seen my neighbor carrying guns to his truck madville Jan 2013 #19
Lol, my boss couldn't wait OriginalGeek Jan 2013 #38
^ Amen! ^ Mimosa Jan 2013 #114
"assault clips" krispos42 Jan 2013 #23
Hey stop laughing ! former-republican Jan 2013 #27
Oh, god, here they go again Kolesar Jan 2013 #33
Some of us agree that "assault clips" should be outlawed. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #35
The U.S. doesn't have a Dept. of Needs. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #134
Not only does the United States not have a "Dept of Needs," it does not have "assault clips." AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #148
Mine too! oldhippie Jan 2013 #128
You just made some peoples heads explode former-republican Jan 2013 #149
LMAO Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #192
Seriously now. If one of those were to be thrown at you, and hit you. oneshooter Jan 2013 #36
Sometimes a follower will pinch the side of ones finger. ileus Jan 2013 #94
Stripper clips can, of course, be even more dangerous if more than one is thrown at a time. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #108
Those are guides, not clips. oneshooter Jan 2013 #240
True. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #299
I've always called them spoons. Glassunion Jan 2013 #319
Hey, Krispos42: Gabby Giffords' New Gun Control Organization. Paladin Jan 2013 #39
He/she of course meant murder mags, or killer clips. ileus Jan 2013 #91
i don't believe the people that answered yes n/t Enrique Jan 2013 #24
Neither do I, but I'm not surprised by who did answer yes slackmaster Jan 2013 #29
I would move as soon as possible/practical, anyone who is paranoid enough to think they DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #26
Since the majority with that kind of crud are bigoted right wingers, I'd make it a point to let them Hoyt Jan 2013 #31
My next door neighbor is an irresponsible gun user Kolesar Jan 2013 #32
If you want to be in a safe neighborhood, come to Chicago where there can't be any such guns AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #34
Is this your chance to make fun of poor people? Kolesar Jan 2013 #41
A group-bashing thread descending into an exchange of group-bashings. slackmaster Jan 2013 #44
I didnt address you Mr Buttinski...eom Kolesar Jan 2013 #47
What do you have against Buttinskis? slackmaster Jan 2013 #49
Public discussion threads...how do they work? Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #69
Major Frank Burns? Is that you? pipoman Jan 2013 #105
6-0 Leave It Alone cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #131
LOL..thanks for posting.. pipoman Jan 2013 #138
How outrageous of you to say so. Don't you know that there are many rich and super-rich AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #89
NRA Talking Point alert bongbong Jan 2013 #45
Can't argue with the merits of a comment? Call it a it a "Talking Point" !! OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #70
Guess you don't get out much bongbong Jan 2013 #79
Getting out = Your act of falsely claiming something is a "NRA Talking Point" AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #100
I don't need any help bongbong Jan 2013 #110
The people who would move because their neighbor owns guns are the real delicate flowers. Undismayed Jan 2013 #166
You bet! bongbong Jan 2013 #169
Do you live in fear of having your house burned down? Undismayed Jan 2013 #173
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #199
If it's been so thoroughly rebutted (over and over and over...) then just post the common rebuttal. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #106
TIme wasting trix by the NRA-bots bongbong Jan 2013 #107
Bong, you don't really care about gun control. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #159
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #171
It's obvious you don't care re gun-control. Just dancing Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #189
Still batting .0000 bongbong Jan 2013 #198
Bingo obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #229
we've argued with them all 100 times BainsBane Jan 2013 #301
Some of them probably already do. GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #40
Most of my neighbors are armed. pintobean Jan 2013 #42
These are not the weapons of normal people. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #55
Normal is defined by ones experiences. pintobean Jan 2013 #62
I would refer him to a mental health specialist bongbong Jan 2013 #43
No Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #48
REALLY, is this the best you can do LOL snooper2 Jan 2013 #50
1) Probably, 2) Definitely!, 3) Are you spying on me? petronius Jan 2013 #104
Thanks! Now I can start my diet. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #161
Nope xoom Jan 2013 #51
Haven't heard of neighbors getting shot with assault weapons as a particular threat. dkf Jan 2013 #53
There are going to be irresponsible neighbors that have guns rightsideout Jan 2013 #54
Can't move, yet. HockeyMom Jan 2013 #56
That's sad, actually. Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #63
Be careful what you wish for - you just might get it derby378 Jan 2013 #65
Would you move if your neighbor had one of these? hobbit709 Jan 2013 #58
I traded one of those for a P229 last spring. ileus Jan 2013 #99
An "legitimate weapon" with an "assault clip"? krispos42 Jan 2013 #127
No worries. He wouldn't be able to hit anything with that. slackmaster Jan 2013 #130
Where could someone move to in America where their neighbors won't have semi-auto rifles? n/t Taitertots Jan 2013 #61
Probably Pennsylvania, in Amish country. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #183
I just found out yesterday there's a guy in my neighborhood.. Initech Jan 2013 #64
Let me guess rightsideout Jan 2013 #74
Sounds about right for where I live. Initech Jan 2013 #77
LOL. You just reminded me of my Conservative Grandmother who lived in Southern California rightsideout Jan 2013 #156
are you still going to cotimue to walk your dog on the path behind his house? nt OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #75
Probably not after finding that out Initech Jan 2013 #78
Neither would I, that guy sounds nuts. Was this all hearsay, or he ACTUALLY does this? nt OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #85
No my mom overheard this guy at physical therapy. Initech Jan 2013 #142
They still do and I still don't care. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #67
Some of my neighbors own such weapons. Rex Jan 2013 #71
On that basis alone? Couldn't care less. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #73
That depends on circumstances. juajen Jan 2013 #76
Only if after the apocalypse they use their guns to take my farm or stuff csziggy Jan 2013 #80
LOL - I am pretty sure he has both. Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #82
Actual select-fire weapons or AR-15s? REP Jan 2013 #83
Of course not, I would be happy he (or she) was protecting his/her home. dexter sinister Jan 2013 #95
No, I'm not paranoid. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #113
I would absolutely, without a doubt move... justanidea Jan 2013 #116
No. Why should I? N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #117
i would go shooting with them. armkev Jan 2013 #119
Other: CrispyQ Jan 2013 #121
No. Not without good reason to. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #124
No. but I'd write my rep in Congress to pass a law to make the gun illegal. q Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #133
No FreeJoe Jan 2013 #135
I moved out of my rooming house when my housemate threatened to "show" me his no_hypocrisy Jan 2013 #136
Looks like OxyRush & the Washington Times bongbong Jan 2013 #137
You just called all of these people trolls. Way to go. What, no Delicate Flowers or Precious? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #144
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #145
Way to walk it back, Precious. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #147
I think I know your problem bongbong Jan 2013 #168
Ha ha former-republican Jan 2013 #288
forgot me Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #162
I feel left out. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #184
It's legal so you have to use your best judgment if neighbors are a danger or not.I would not move. Sunlei Jan 2013 #139
Gun porn rrneck Jan 2013 #141
^^^ :rofl: n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #152
I'd suggest he get Turbineguy Jan 2013 #143
No discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #153
My neighbors have had them in the past. peace13 Jan 2013 #160
As long as they don't play loud country music, I don't care what they do. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #163
No. Who wants hateful culture war? I can think of some... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #164
Guns are culture? nt onehandle Jan 2013 #165
People are culture. They are the ones you want to war with. Obviously. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #190
I think that the responses to this thread prove one important thing. Undismayed Jan 2013 #178
+1 Go Vols Jan 2013 #180
+1 n/t Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #195
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #202
DU rules forced 'antis' into the shadows. That time is over. Go back to the gungeon. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #225
No, I'm not a moron. flvegan Jan 2013 #179
because only a moron doesn't want to live next to BainsBane Jan 2013 #194
Why is a gun owner automatically paranoid and heavily armed? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #213
the question wasn't about a gun owner BainsBane Jan 2013 #217
Why is someone who owns one more paranoid obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #228
it's not a hunting rifle BainsBane Jan 2013 #232
It is a rifle and nothing else obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #275
how do I know the person is law abiding? BainsBane Jan 2013 #278
You see some pariah object that resembles a futuristic ray gun from a 1950s SciFi movie slackmaster Jan 2013 #269
no, I see a weapon of mass murder BainsBane Jan 2013 #274
I still see a rifle. It's unfortunate that you presume to know the mindset of every person... slackmaster Jan 2013 #317
Well, I'm thinking if someone HappyMe Jan 2013 #218
the OP said no such thing BainsBane Jan 2013 #219
I was responding to your post 194. HappyMe Jan 2013 #221
well, I said no such thing BainsBane Jan 2013 #224
I had a neighbor like that once obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #231
Good grief! HappyMe Jan 2013 #237
I don't know if they were pathologically paranpid obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #256
Shut this down. Inflammatory in favor of acceptance of the most vile. Loudly Jan 2013 #181
He is risen!!!! Undismayed Jan 2013 #185
Just for that I'm going to kick a onehandle thread. And rec it. nt rrneck Jan 2013 #188
In gun parlance, the OP was a breech burst! Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #286
Unfortunately, these DEGENERATES are everywhere. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #186
"Military pattern rifles" is the term you are looking for. Deep13 Jan 2013 #187
WTF is a "assault clip"? Is it that shoulder thing that goes up? Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #191
How about Domestic Terrorist Clip? onehandle Jan 2013 #215
fuck yes. BainsBane Jan 2013 #193
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #196
Leave any room for a Swiss army knife? derby378 Jan 2013 #200
I'm betting bongbong Jan 2013 #205
LOL BainsBane Jan 2013 #222
It's this kind of 'intelligent' HappyMe Jan 2013 #230
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #234
So, that would make your 'one hand' HappyMe Jan 2013 #239
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #243
Amusing? HappyMe Jan 2013 #247
???? bongbong Jan 2013 #250
Are you bothered by the excessive number of mounting rails on the foreend of that rifle? slackmaster Jan 2013 #216
Another one-handed post! bongbong Jan 2013 #227
Nice One, bongbong. Paladin Jan 2013 #300
It depends on who the neighbor is. nt LWolf Jan 2013 #197
Where are you going to move? Ganja Ninja Jan 2013 #201
No, I wouldn't move. HappyMe Jan 2013 #203
This, is why the human species lives in a corner of the universe isolated from RKP5637 Jan 2013 #204
WTF is an assault clip? NeedleCast Jan 2013 #206
How about Domestic Terrorist Clip? onehandle Jan 2013 #214
Words have meanings. If you want people to understand you then you should learn them. DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #220
Dead Kindergartners have meaning. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #223
Why are you changing the subject? DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #236
Here's another idea. billh58 Jan 2013 #272
It's not a technical detail, it's the meaning of the word. DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #279
Why would anyone but a gun nut billh58 Jan 2013 #282
Why would anyone want to know the meaning of a word they are using? DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #290
Weapon: billh58 Jan 2013 #307
If that is the only word you need to know the meaning of DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #309
That's okay Bubba, billh58 Jan 2013 #311
I'm just so high class. I know the meaning of the words I use! DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #312
I Think You Were In A Office 2003 Class I taught once NeedleCast Jan 2013 #297
"When?" Try "If" derby378 Jan 2013 #291
Did Lanza use "assault clips"? Recursion Jan 2013 #249
I understood what it meant - device to feed more bullets to the chamber than any moral person will Hoyt Jan 2013 #262
Well golly gee Hoyt. billh58 Jan 2013 #268
I don't really think you understand what it means NeedleCast Jan 2013 #273
Clear to me. Of course, I don't "pointy finger" read word-by-word. I read in chunks for ideas. Hoyt Jan 2013 #280
Okay, so Indulge Me If You Would NeedleCast Jan 2013 #283
Except that a clip doesn't feed bullets into the chamber, so you don't know what it means. DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #281
Give It Another Try. Paladin Jan 2013 #302
Your Brady talking points only prove you have no argument. DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #305
Not Much Of A Comeback. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #306
Because one wasn't needed. DesMoinesDem Jan 2013 #310
What does a standard capacity magazine have to do with morality? Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #330
Hold On, I'm Trying To Keep Up NeedleCast Jan 2013 #271
i'd buy bigger guns - which is the NRA plan samsingh Jan 2013 #212
Arizona here! RetroGamer1971 Jan 2013 #238
No, but I might buy one to get rid of an asshole neighbor. nt rrneck Jan 2013 #244
Is the irony lost on you that that wasn't an assault weapon under the '94 ban? Recursion Jan 2013 #245
I think we are past allowing the NRA/GOP to write the definitions, etc. Hoyt Jan 2013 #331
You care about bayonet mounts if you want an AWB Recursion Jan 2013 #332
It can be redefined. Do you get it now? Hoyt Jan 2013 #334
That would make infinitely more sense Recursion Jan 2013 #335
Paranoid much? kudzu22 Jan 2013 #253
You certainly attracted a billh58 Jan 2013 #266
No less that it has attracted a swarm NeedleCast Jan 2013 #276
shh... onehandle Jan 2013 #287
Arrysay... billh58 Jan 2013 #308
Absolutely not! n/t MicaelS Jan 2013 #267
I would let the authorities know, and I would offer him a pie. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2013 #277
You would let the authorities know he has something legal? Recursion Jan 2013 #323
Some that I know do, but there are some I hope don't have any kind of a weopon. n/t doc03 Jan 2013 #285
Why? Remmah2 Jan 2013 #289
"...wait for him to snap?" Kinda lurid/hopeful, doncha think? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #304
Interesting poll results guardian Jan 2013 #315
Wrong. nachosgrande Jan 2013 #326
I embarrassed my neighbor's son B Calm Jan 2013 #333
I wouldn't trust my neighbour with a drawing of a butter knife, but he's an outlier. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #341
Oh, no worries tavernier Jan 2013 #344

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
1. No
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:41 PM
Jan 2013

We have good neighbors and the market hasn't recovered enough for us to sell and move to a larger home. We sure couldn't sell our place if Rambo lived next door instead of an accountant.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
2. I'd introduce myself, compare collections, and invite the person to go out shooting in the desert
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:41 PM
Jan 2013

With high explosive targets.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
66. WHY?!?!
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jan 2013

I just want to ask every person who feels "high explosive targets" are a necessary part of life...

What happened to you? What made you feel the need to destroy?

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
68. I'm a friendly, outgoing, neighborly person
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:23 PM
Jan 2013

I like blowing things up. I also like growing heirloom tomatoes.

I just want to ask every person who feels "high explosive targets" are a necessary part of life...

If you'll just point out where you think I said they are a necessary part of life, maybe I can answer you.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
72. Ok then I will edit.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jan 2013

I just want to ask every person who feels "high explosive targets" are a part of life...

Necessary may have been OTT... but still WHY?

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
86. It's like golf
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:50 PM
Jan 2013

Shooting is a very skilled sport. It requires a lot of emotional and psychological control, the ability to concentrate intensely, and a high degree of control over your body.

Also, guys just like to see things blow up. Have you ever head of pumpkin guns?


Don't ask me why people do this. They just do.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
87. No it's not like golf.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:53 PM
Jan 2013

And I am a guy let me tell you from my personal experience we *all* don't like to see stuff blow up so that is a generalization.

But if saying "it's like golf" makes you feel better go for it. Last time I checked golf rarely killed anyone.

On Edit: I am done I don't feel like a war so you can make your response and we can go out separate ways.

petronius

(26,603 posts)
92. An expensive and often frustrating sport where you spend hours and hours propelling
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:01 PM
Jan 2013

small hard objects toward a distant tiny target, and people have no idea why you'd want to do it in the first place...

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
97. Exactly
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:07 PM
Jan 2013

But it seems to be addictive for some people.

I don't criticize, because I kind of get withdrawal symptoms if I don't program for a while. I like writing code. It's addictive for me.

Neither sport has anything to do with violence, as far as I can see.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
157. I rather prefer the Churchill commentary:
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:00 PM
Jan 2013

"Golf is a game whose goal is to hit a small ball into an even smaller hole, with weapons singularly ill-designed for the task."

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
125. When you are shooting at soda can size targets at 500 or 600 yards, or more, a SMALL explosive...
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:53 PM
Jan 2013

...charge give you positive feedback that you have in fact hit a target. That's what explosive targets are used for.



BTW it's perfectly legal. The explosive material is shipped as two unmixed components through regular US mail. It's not even subject to hazardous material regulations. As long as you mix the two components on site and don't transport them in a vehicle, it's all OK even here in California.

HTH

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
284. Cool! Then make it law that your gun is kept in storage at a licensed gun range
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:44 PM
Jan 2013

When you want to engage in your hobby, you go to the gange, retrieve your gun, shoot to your hearts content but when you leave...the gun stays.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
318. The last gun range I was in
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:16 PM
Jan 2013

had those nifty electric tracks that take the target down range for you, a snack bar, and one of those giant interactive screen thingies for training cops. Oh, and it had a picture of Robert E. Lee on the wall.

Do you really want those guys in charge of an arsenal full of other people's guns?

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
292. There's all kinds of fireworks supermarkets throughout PA, OH, ID.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:00 PM
Jan 2013

Loads and loads of black powder, rockets and other potentially abused consumer items. Completely legal. Politician approved.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
303. If I made one I am sorry.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:21 PM
Jan 2013

I am VERY anti gun.

- I do not own one.
- I do not think people should own them.
- There is no point it is 2012. Our society should be better than guns.

All I was saying in the previous post is, although apparently poorly worded, At what point does the 2nd amendment stop... these crazy people who say any kind of gun is okay then why is it not okay to have a grenade launcher?!?! Nothing should be allowed.

That's my viewpoint. Sorry if I came across "wakadoodle"... but I think even I get frustrated sometimes.

procon

(15,805 posts)
270. ugh...
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:03 PM
Jan 2013

No, please don't do that. Even land in the desert is owned by someone and you'd be breaking several laws by trespassing on private property, as well as the illegal discharge of a firearm.

I live in a rural desert community and there are already 3 bullet holes in my barn from people like you who drive out here to shoot, thinking they are in the wilderness. They weren't responsible gun owners, they had no thought or concern about how far their bullets travel or the damage they did, because they mistakenly believed this is nothing but an unpopulated desert.

So far only my barn has been hit, but many of my neighbors haven't been so lucky. Stray bullets have gone through walls, windows, cars, and killed or injured pets and livestock. The use of "explosive targets" in an area of tinder dry brush has started numerous, fast raging fires that have burned fields, outbuildings, fences and farm equipment, costing not only the owners, but the tax payers who pay for the emergency response from police and fire services.

Please, be a responsible gun owner and go to the shooting range, pay the fees, and fire off your big guns safely... not in my backyard.

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
112. Same here in GA as it was in Lousiana.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:23 PM
Jan 2013

I grew up around responsible weapons owners. My stepfather, a decorated WWII Army Ranger, taught me to shoot using an old carbine, when I was 10-11.

Today I've friends who enjoy target shooting and collecting weapons. If I could afford the ammo I'd go shooting more often than just enough to keep my skills from 'rusting'. Owning and knowing how to use weapon could be the difference between being a victim or a survivor.

graywarrior

(59,440 posts)
120. The city I grew up in is volatile
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:49 PM
Jan 2013

One time, my upstairs neighbor's apartment got shot at in the middle of the night. I knew lots of people who packed a gun. It was normal. But I don't ever remember anyone with an automatic weapon or shooting sprees (just your average biker gang wars).

 

MightyMopar

(735 posts)
103. Hawaii would be a good place
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:17 PM
Jan 2013

States with Below Median Populations of Gun Owners
40. Delaware - 25.5%
41. Florida - 24.5% (Battleground state. See Florida in 2012 Elections.)
42. California - 21.3%
42. Maryland - 21.3%
44. Illinois - 20.2%
45. New York - 18%
46. Connecticut - 16.7%
47. Rhode Island - 12.8%
48. Massachusetts - 12.6%
49. New Jersey - 12.3%
50. Hawaii - 6.7%

http://usliberals.about.com/od/Election2012Factors/a/Gun-Owners-As-Percentage-Of-Each-States-Population.htm

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
118. Interesting comparison
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:48 PM
Jan 2013

between your numbers and these..

Hawaii is ranked 36 for violent crime..not bad, I wonder about the rest?

Delaware #7 most violent crime.
Florida #4
Cali #14
Maryland #8
Illinois #13
New York #22
Conn. #37
RI #44
MA #20
NJ #26

At first glance, as a non-statistician, it looks not to matter..from a violent crime standpoint anyway..

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
324. Florida, California, Maryland, New York, Illinois and New Jersey and maybe even the others
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:27 PM
Jan 2013

have very dense population centers. That is where violent crime is most likely to occur.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
154. Thought it might be fun to look at the other end of your list too...
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:57 PM
Jan 2013

1. Wyoming - 59.7%... 43rd highest violent crime
2. Alaska - 57.8%... 23rd
3. Montana - 57.7%... 41
4. South Dakota - 56.6%...46
5. West Virginia - 55.4%... 39
6. Mississippi - 55.3%... 31
6. Idaho - 55.3% ... 42
6. Arkansas - 55.3%... 11
9. Alabama - 51.7% ... 23

Hmmm...maybe something can be garnered from this comparison...seems one may be less likely to be victimized living in the highest gun owning states than in the lowest, eh?

Oh, I forgot the link earlier..

http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank21.html

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
176. Yeah, I realize it isn't any more or any less
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:33 AM
Jan 2013

conclusive than the list MightyMopar posted...just an interesting comparison..the whole "more guns equals more crime" nonsense and all..

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
298. According to Your Source, Alaska is #6, not #23
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:11 PM
Jan 2013

But then they did elect Sarah Palin governor, and most of them have guns.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
325. All states with low population density. Idaho? Montana? Very low density.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:29 PM
Jan 2013

When people have to live close together, they are more likely to kill each other.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
327. I agree..
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:17 PM
Jan 2013

I don't believe this is a problem solved with a blanket. I trust the people of NY and the people of IL to do what they believe to be in their best interest collectively..as long as it's constitutional..which I guess has been a bit of a problem for Chi Town, eh? Anyway, I trust the people of Montana and Wyoming to do the same..

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
337. maybe
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:34 PM
Jan 2013

However having vastly different laws from one town to the next within the same state creates confusion among the residents..this is why many states don't allow municipalities to be different than the rest of the state..

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
340. If that is your view, then you won't mind if we pass the laws that are safest for the most
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jan 2013

people, I hope. Because tough gun regulations are safest for the majority of people who live in mid-sized towns and cities.

I would like to see laws, however, that accommodate the different needs of people living in areas of different population density.

Some Americans need to be able to defend against bears. Most of us don't. That is why I prefer laws that are appropriate to specific areas. Is it that much trouble to leave the gun at home when going to a city or mid-sized town? I should think not.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
342. I wouldn't say it is my view,
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:32 PM
Jan 2013

just that it is what often happens. Then the problem of moving..does one have to sell their guns before they can move? I suppose it has happened before..

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
6. It would depend on my judgment about the personality of my neighbor and ALL the members
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:50 PM
Jan 2013

of that family and maybe even their guests.

But anyone who would have such a weapon where I live in LA would be crazy.

I might find a lot of opportunities to report them to the police -- loud music, other things.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
7. If by LA you mean Los Angeles, you would probably be very surprised if you took a drive one day...
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:54 PM
Jan 2013

...out to the Angeles Shooting Range and checked out what people in the area actually do own.

ETA or the Chabot range up in the Bay Area. Lots of people bought AR-15 rifles before California's permanent ban so that they would be grandfathered. Many, many more have bought or built ban-compliant firearms.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
57. Checked out the Chabot range Website, and demographics were as I would have guessed.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:07 PM
Jan 2013
Here's a nice new program that teaches young people how to shoot "a man sized target"





Who we are and what we're about: The Appleseed Program is designed to take you from being a simple rifle owner to being a true rifleman. All throughout American history, the rifleman has been defined as a marksman capable of hitting a man-sized targets from 500 yards away — no ifs, ands or buts about it. This 500-yard range is traditionally known as "the rifleman's quarter-mile;" a rifleman can hit just about any target he can see. This skill was particularly evident in the birth of our country, and was the difference in winning the Revolutionary War.

More gun BS on gun "club" website.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
93. I never had any assault weapons before the SH incident.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jan 2013

All my firearms are either HD or sporting firearms.

Response to Hoyt (Reply #57)

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
233. Good for you. Enjoy all your guns, and detrimental impact on society.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:37 AM
Jan 2013

Please spare me all the BS straight from Wayne LaPierre, Grover Norquist, Teddy Nugent, Ollie North, John Bolton, and worse -- NRA leadership.

The fact you own more guns than me, dang sure is not impressive.

xXRicanXx

(10 posts)
246. LOL
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:01 PM
Jan 2013

In case you hadn't noticed, I had not mentioned a SINGLE argument from ANY of those people. And may I ask: how is my lawful ownership of such firearms a detriment to society????

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
254. Let me put it easy...
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:19 PM
Jan 2013

You are part of he NRA... this man is in charge of the NRA...



Your buddy Wayne said this...



after Newtown.

So unfortunately by being a *edited to add "proud lifelong" member of the NRA and paying those dues you have well... bought in to everything they say. and what they say is a detriment to society.

I hope I connected all those dots for you.

xXRicanXx

(10 posts)
257. Well sir or ma'am, that is my opinion and just one of many*
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:25 PM
Jan 2013

Lol I'm writing on my mobile that being said, I have to go to work, and I wish all of you a good day

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
259. Your entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to think it is wrong.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:26 PM
Jan 2013


Just as you may think that about mine. But when does it stop?

xXRicanXx

(10 posts)
263. I guess only time will tell.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:31 PM
Jan 2013

But eventually, regardless of who was right or wrong, neither of us have to be worried about being buried alive for it

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
241. This...
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:51 AM
Jan 2013

"Yes, I am a liberal." ... "I am also an NRA life member"

Is a false equivalency. Just come out of the closet as a conservative please!

xXRicanXx

(10 posts)
248. Not necessarily so
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:04 PM
Jan 2013

Just because someone supports a SPECIFIC cause does not mean their entire political demeanor is defined by said support.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
255. Would you vote for a Republican if your right to cover yourself in arms were severely restricted?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:24 PM
Jan 2013

xXRicanXx

(10 posts)
264. Clearly both candidates were not pro firearms
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:33 PM
Jan 2013

At least Obama was up front about it, unlike Romney who will ride anyone's dick to garner a vote

Response to Agschmid (Reply #260)

xXRicanXx

(10 posts)
261. Reply part 2
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:29 PM
Jan 2013

There are far more pressing issues in this nation than inanimate objects to just vote on said objects.

BainsBane

(53,056 posts)
293. The NRA is committed to electing Republicans
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:01 PM
Jan 2013

so are you claiming to be a liberal Republican? Because if you're a Democrat, why would you contribute to an organization committed to enhancing GOP power?

Your comment that it's "about time" a pro-gun liberal spoke out is pretty funny. This site and this thread are filled with gun zealots. Whether they are liberal, however, is a matter of opinion.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
8. Just because someone
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:55 PM
Jan 2013

Might own one of these, doesn't mean they are going to "SNAP" as you stated in your choices. I don't own guns, but I do own these Nihon To, which I love, as they are part of my family heritage. They have a history and were most certainly used and worn by my ancestors. They are not just out for anyone to touch, but packed away, wrapped in cotton and placed in fine bamboo cases. I have only ever taken them out once to be displayed at our local "Sakura Matsuri" Cherry Blossom Festival (pictured) and that was a few years ago. It was too much trouble to remove them again, and so they sit in boxes, protected more or less by the elements.


Puha Ekapi

(594 posts)
46. Beautiful
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jan 2013

It is good that you are keeping old family traditions. It honors your ancestors and people to do that.

I keep weapons of my ancestors as well, though in the tradition of my people we don't photograph them to display to the general public.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
59. I had a friend take the
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:10 PM
Jan 2013

Photos because it was very unlikely I would ever un pack them again, and they are kept well and safe. I had to get help from another friend who works with the Japanese Sword Society to make sure they were packed correctly. The blades had to be powdered so as to not allow moisture to seep onto the blade and cause rust. These go back to the 1600's and have been oiled and taken care of by each of my many ancestors. Since I am the only child of my father, he chose to give them to me, after my taking many years of Kendo and Kenjitsu.

The Sakura Matsuri is a very special event here in Japan town and held every year around April or March when the Cherry Blossoms are expected to be at their peak. Many, items of Japanese tradition are on display for a curious public.

Some of those traditions include the maintenance of Bonsai plants



Paper Dolls known as washi-ningyo


displays of Japanese armor


traditional Kimono display
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As well as sampling Sake


and Traditional Dance


Sakura Matsuri is a festival of all things Japanese and is often shared openly with all those interested in our culture and heritage. It is one of the more famous events held in San Francisco annually.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
96. Those swords are beautiful and a wonderful heritage .....
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:07 PM
Jan 2013

.... and I am so glad you are taking care of them. I hope you have someone younger some day, someone who will appreciate the history and heritage, to whom you can pass them on and preserve them for many more generations. It is almost a sacred task to find and groom such a person. I wish you well.

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
102. Love your collections!
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:14 PM
Jan 2013

Thank you for the photos, AsahinaKimi.

Unlike many women, I appreciate the craftsmanship in fine weapons.

A once avid gardener, I'd cultivated a few bonsai trees. Taking care of bonsai is more demanding than taking care of a hundred rose bushes!

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
115. Thanks..I think I have a few more photos I took of them..
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:35 PM
Jan 2013





They are truly beautiful .. but my favorite items were these; washi-ningyo








That and ...um... eating Mochi
 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
123. Very nice ....
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:51 PM
Jan 2013

My wife is Taiwanese. I wish we had more of her culture and heritage around our house.

Puha Ekapi

(594 posts)
150. Thank you for sharing those with us.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:48 PM
Jan 2013

In my culture, (I am Nuhndta Nooch, Northern Ute from eastern Utah) we are very reluctant to display our most traditional and sacred things because of the long history of abuse and oppression, as well as the rampant exploitation and desecration that is common today. Just to be clear, I wasn't making any sort of judgement on you for sharing with us

When is this festival? I am currently living in the Bay Area while I finish grad school and I would be interested in attending. I have made friends with a couple of people from Japan, and I have found them to be kindred spirits in many ways, similar to my own people in their values and ways of seeing the world.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
151. Here is a link to this years festivities
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:53 PM
Jan 2013


http://sfcherryblossom.org/

By the way, one of my best friends, is a pure Lakota. We call him "Mato", a name he chose, which means Bear. In Japanese bear is
Kuma. I shared with him this cute little song by Utada Hikaru:

http://www.viduse.com/Play/19265559/0/Hikaru-Utada/Boku-Wa-Kuma.html

I have learned a lot from him and have shared thoughts about Japanese Shinto.

Puha Ekapi

(594 posts)
182. The bear...
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:54 AM
Jan 2013

...is very important to my people. We call him Kweeyahguht in my language. We see him as a doctor and spiritual healer. Every spring we have our Bear Dance, a really sacred and fun time.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
146. last spring I bought my first bonsai. I agree taking good care is very demanding.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:07 PM
Jan 2013

I enjoy the learning experience and plan to collect a few more bonsai. If my one tree is really dorment for winter and not dead

Yours are very beautiful trees. I would love an evergreen next so I don't have to worry so much over the winter season.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
81. At least you pack your swords away!
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:43 PM
Jan 2013

My husband leaves his out, leaning against the wall in the hall.

His are not the heirlooms yours are - most of his are costume swords, like his Gandalf replica sword. But they still freak people out to see them sitting around like his walking sticks.

Of course, if someone got into the house, the swords would be right there, handy to use.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
84. haha ...
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:48 PM
Jan 2013

I don't expect any trouble where I live..but I have these.. and they can hurt...


Bamboo Shinai. I have been whacked enough by them, even wearing armor. Ouchie.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
98. I once chased a burglar out with one of our walking sticks.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:08 PM
Jan 2013

Little squirt hauled butt for two blocks after I quit chasing him. That's how the cops ID him - the entire neighborhood saw him running away. We'd had a series of breakins - but not once they realized I was ready to whoop them with whatever was at hand.

16 year old kids terrified of a short, overweight woman. Pitiful. Of course, back them I could have whooped them thoroughly - I trained horses and was in shape despite being overweight. I could out run the kids, too.

I can imagine that bamboo shinai would hurt. Back when we did SCA, we used rattan fake swords and they hurt a lot. Bamboo, being more flexible would be much worse!

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
111. I have long since
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:22 PM
Jan 2013

Retired from doing Kendo, mostly because its so expensive. I still have two sets of Shinai here, and every time I pick one up, and play with it, the memory of being struck on hands (despite wearing calf skin leather gloves) still lurks. I would come home with bruises on my hands, and my mother would look to my father and say, must she continue? I would tell her I love it.. but I had to figure out a way of avoiding that hand blow. When someone is very fast, sometimes you just have to endure it. It eventually proved to be a way to win, when you are striking there so often, your opponent can't even properly hold their Shinai.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
167. It's hard to keep up with a sport that injures you
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:51 PM
Jan 2013

And that is expensive to boot!

I never got into the martial arts - for one thing they came in vogue in this country well after I was an adult and already running a horse farm. And my chosen field, horses, provided enough opportunities for injury without adding another one.

Your body language looks fierce in that picture!

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
314. I used to snow ski in Utah too
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:29 PM
Jan 2013

I would rather be hit by a shinai then by a FAST flying Tree any day of the week!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
140. Haha great burglar story, good the cops caught him! I only saw the tennis shoe of the last burglar.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:40 PM
Jan 2013

Must have hopped the fence into the backyard and my 3 big dogs came out their dog door and caught him. Came home and the dogs all happy playing with some size 12 nike

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
172. That kid and his friends were given a second chance and blew it
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:56 PM
Jan 2013

We were persuaded to accept compensation (payment to repair the door and window they broke to enter the house) and to not press charges, though the charges were not actually dropped.

A couple of years later the same kids burned down the elementary school in that small town and were again stupid enough to get caught. Because of the past charges (our burglary) they were not allowed to plead out and the oldest of them were charged as adults. Sigh.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
313. Sure glad I don't live in the UK
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:27 PM
Jan 2013

I would rather donate them to the Asian Art Museum than have to go hock them some where.

obamanut2012

(26,137 posts)
320. I know
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jan 2013

Heirlooms have been seized, and people there who practice iaido (like I do here in the US), are kinda screwed.

Pepper spray is also illegal!

Your iaitos are beautiful.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
9. Where the hell would one move to avoid having such a neighbor?
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jan 2013

Why do you care what your neighbor has in their house and why would you move anyway? Is there some odd statistical likelihood that they pose a particular threat to your well being or are you freaking out about nothing in the big picture? Would you be considering moving in this market because of a deer rifle? How about a shotgun? How about a pistol?

Are "Assault Clips" like tactical shears or something? Do they have a flashlight mount?

Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #9)

spin

(17,493 posts)
12. We have had two gentlemen who roomed with us for a while ...
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:57 PM
Jan 2013

in our large old home that was once a hotel.

Both had private firearm collections that included assault style rifles and semi-auto pistols with a magazine capacity of more than 10 rounds. Both men had a law enforcement background.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
14. They do and I haven't
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 05:58 PM
Jan 2013

For some reason I trust all three of my neighbors that have oodles of firearms. (of course everyone has an AR these days) and they must trust me.

Carry on my friends...

Upton

(9,709 posts)
15. Of course not..
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:02 PM
Jan 2013

and despite claims to the contrary, looks like the paranoid ones aren't the gun owners..

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
16. A friend of mine is in that situation. Her neighbors are criminals. She wants to move.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:02 PM
Jan 2013

Her neighborhood was really safe until a mother and her 20 year old twins rented the private home across the street from hers. From that point on, neighbors started noticing missing items in their cars and no longer could leave their doors unlocked. One time my friend witnessed the entire household (including their visitors) get arrested. She knows they have a gun because she saw one of the sons run to the corner and fire off a few rounds when trying to intimidate someone. The sons constantly ring her door and ask if they can mow her lawn or come inside. One time they put a condom in her mail box. One son wears all black and stands outside in the dark looking into the neighbors' windows. Her sister visited one weekend, and was walking around naked after taking a shower. She noticed with horror that one of the boys was outside, looking directly at her through the bay window. She saw them steal her neighbor's power meter. She witnessed them "bike" jack some people as well. She's called the police on them several times and the entire community is in fear and many are making plans to move, as the people who own the rental home refuse to evict them.

In response, she's going to move, but in the meantime she's installing thousands of dollars worth of security upgrades to reinforce the glass in her home. She also bought a gun and will be taking lessons on how to use it and I'm going with her when she goes. I can't remember what type of gun it is, but it's not a shotgun.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
21. It's unfortunate that you equate a neighbor lawfully owning a firearm with one being a criminal
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:13 PM
Jan 2013

Why do you think that way? ETA it's unfortunate that you have a problem household in your neighborhood. I've had that kind of situation in my life before, but never did I conflate criminal behavior with someone owning any particular object and not misusing it.

I think reply #16 isn't even responsive to the question raised in the OP.

Please explain yourself.

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
25. I didn't mean to, but now that you bring it up
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:22 PM
Jan 2013

I think assault rifles/weapons are the weapon of choice for criminals and people who need psychiatric help. If I found out a neighbor had one, and we had an interaction that made me feel uncomfortable, I'd probably do exactly what my friend did and buy a gun of my own. I wouldn't be able to match the fire power, but maybe I could strategically position myself to catch him by surprise. But again, that's *only* if the person indicated in some way that he was a threat.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
28. Let's assume that your first sentence is true, even though it's not because handguns are really...
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:26 PM
Jan 2013

...the weapons of choice for violent criminals.

Even if your assumption were true, it would not follow logically that anyone who owns a modern semiautomatic rifle is likely to be a criminal or mentally ill. In fact crimes committed with rifles in general are relatively rare, less than 3% of homicides IIRC.

I suspect that your thought processes have been shaped by misleading vividness in media reporting.

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
37. "I suspect that your thought processes have been shaped by misleading vividness in media reporting"
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jan 2013

That's possible.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
251. Very few criminals use a $1000 + rifle
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:14 PM
Jan 2013

So few that when one does, it's usually a national news story.

About 90% of gun crimes are with cheap, easy to conceal, low-power handguns.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
122. Not true. My friend "Jim" the felon (not his real name) used toy guns when he robbed people.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:50 PM
Jan 2013

Because he was already a convicted felon and didn't want to get in trouble.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
132. "Jim" (not his real name) is the only one I know. He was the main talent for a record company...
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:02 PM
Jan 2013

...that I co-founded.

madville

(7,412 posts)
19. I've seen my neighbor carrying guns to his truck
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jan 2013

I know he has an AR-15 variant and what appeared to be a tactical Remington 870 shotgun. He and his wife seem normal, no worries. I would be suspicious and maybe keep an eye out if they acted erratically or dangerously though.

I'm a gunowner, have a concealed carry permit, lifelong hunter, and ex-military myself though so I'm very used to being around and seeing firearms. Plus I'm in Florida, everyone here is armed. It's strange if someone doesn't own a gun here.

My liberal, diehard Democrat boss was telling me about the new gun safe he got over the holidays, very proud of it. He was a bit antigun for years and is now convinced society/economy is going to collapse so he's decided he needs to be armed, has a 12 gauge and a .44 so far if I remember right.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
38. Lol, my boss couldn't wait
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:35 PM
Jan 2013

to come back from christmas vacation to show me the .44 magnum he got for christmas. We are in Florida too. He and I and a couple other people in our department also have CCW but I believe I'm the only registered Democrat.


At the risk of taking this whole thread seriously I will agree that it's not the guns that would make me nervous - it would be the behavior of my neighbors. I wish I could afford to live next door to my boss. His guns wouldn't bother me one bit. My current neighbors are all good people though so I doubt I'd worry about them if I knew anything about their armaments.


I guess I feel bad for anyone that lives near someone skeevy enough to make them nervous. If that were the case for me I would be looking to move whether I knew of guns in their homes or not.

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
114. ^ Amen! ^
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:34 PM
Jan 2013

Way back in the 1970s, the neighborhood we lived in SW ATL became very dangerous, very quickly. People tried to break into our home, and my dear tabby was rope strangled and put on my doorstep. *cry*

We got the message to get out of Dodge, and moved from an area I'd known well and lived in for years. We moved out quickly at great expense to ourselves. Avoiding dangerous situations is the first resort, as any gun owner knows.

One of my dearest friends, a physician, is a veteran who used to win shooting competitions. I wish HE lived next door. But I'm in a fairly safe neighborhood.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
27. Hey stop laughing !
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:26 PM
Jan 2013



That looks exactly like mine

Magpul stock , flip up BUIS , ARMS mount , Aimpoint , free floated picatinny rail forearm



Plus with an assault clip installed in the mag well.


 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
148. Not only does the United States not have a "Dept of Needs," it does not have "assault clips."
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:25 PM
Jan 2013

As an example, I only have two types of clips: Moon-clips for a S&W 625 JM and stripper clips for a M1A1.

Since there is no such thing as "assault clips," the gun-grabbers can make as much noise as they want about prohibiting "assault clips."

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
128. Mine too!
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:59 PM
Jan 2013

Looks just like the 300 BLK I just built, except I have the Magpul UBR stock and a Nikon M223 1-4X scope ona Burris PEPR mount. Tomorrow I'm going to order an AAC 762 SDN-6 suppressor for it. That should really get some eyes rolling!

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
36. Seriously now. If one of those were to be thrown at you, and hit you.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jan 2013

It could cause a large bruise, or even a small cut!

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
319. I've always called them spoons.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:13 PM
Jan 2013

That's what my uncle called them when I was a kid.

They do mess up the plastic magazines, so I rarely use them.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
26. I would move as soon as possible/practical, anyone who is paranoid enough to think they
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:26 PM
Jan 2013

need a killing machine, is a dangerous person in my estimation.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
31. Since the majority with that kind of crud are bigoted right wingers, I'd make it a point to let them
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:29 PM
Jan 2013

know I don't care for that kind of junk around my family and to keep it on their property.

No need to coddle folks who probably ran out and bought more assault weapons, hi-cap magazines and ammo when Obama was elected/re-elected.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
32. My next door neighbor is an irresponsible gun user
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:30 PM
Jan 2013

If I learned that clown had those weapons, I would tell everybody on the block and the police. His other neighbor hates him and he already has been in the dock on weapons charges.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
34. If you want to be in a safe neighborhood, come to Chicago where there can't be any such guns
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:32 PM
Jan 2013
because they are outlawed.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
41. Is this your chance to make fun of poor people?
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:43 PM
Jan 2013

How very suburban of you. You would fit in the country club set.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
44. A group-bashing thread descending into an exchange of group-bashings.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:46 PM
Jan 2013

Who could have possibly seen that coming?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
131. 6-0 Leave It Alone
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:01 PM
Jan 2013

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AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
89. How outrageous of you to say so. Don't you know that there are many rich and super-rich
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:55 PM
Jan 2013
in Chicago?

Have you never heard of Chicago's gold coast? That's one of Chicago's neighborhoods.

Have you never heard of Chicago's Board of Trade?

Do you not know that there are multimillionaires in Chicago, include some of the banksters who were bailed out with taxpayer funds?
 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
70. Can't argue with the merits of a comment? Call it a it a "Talking Point" !!
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:23 PM
Jan 2013

Yeah, that's the ticket! You'll never have to actually address those awkward uncomfortable truths again; just call it a "(fill in the blank Talking Point".

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
79. Guess you don't get out much
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:35 PM
Jan 2013

The NRA Talking Point "Chicago proves gun control doesn't work" is an especially ancient Talking Point.

Oh, and has been thoroughly rebutted over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....

You need to keep up with current events better!

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
100. Getting out = Your act of falsely claiming something is a "NRA Talking Point"
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:12 PM
Jan 2013

No, it's not.

And you should get help if you think so.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
110. I don't need any help
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:22 PM
Jan 2013

But the paranoid Delicate Flowers who depend on NRA Talking Lies for their rationalizations, and guns for their fear, do.

 

Undismayed

(76 posts)
173. Do you live in fear of having your house burned down?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:00 AM
Jan 2013

About 60,000 arsons occur annually in the United States. That's about 3000 times more than mass shootings, about 20 of which occur per year. Why the focus on guns?

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
199. LOL
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:16 AM
Jan 2013

A house doesn't mow down 20 first graders.

Ah, those NRA Talking Points! Always hilarious, always wrong, always a lie.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
106. If it's been so thoroughly rebutted (over and over and over...) then just post the common rebuttal.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:18 PM
Jan 2013

It must be easy to find and a little copy+paste should give you an irrefutable response. Or you can just continue to call anything that doesn't fit into your personal worldview "talking points".

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
107. TIme wasting trix by the NRA-bots
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:21 PM
Jan 2013

You can buy pretty much any gun you want about 5 miles from Chicago in Indiana.

Satisfied, bot?

BainsBane

(53,056 posts)
301. we've argued with them all 100 times
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jan 2013

You all say the exact same thing. That's what makes them talking points, that and the fact they come straight from Wayne LaPierre. Frankly, ya'll are just boring.

GoCubsGo

(32,088 posts)
40. Some of them probably already do.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jan 2013

The guy across the street from me works for Wackenhut. God only knows what kinds of weapons he owns. I only ever see him with a BB gun with which he shoots at the squirrels, futilely, I may add. And, it my actually be an air rifle, rather than a BB gun. He's a nice enough guy. I don't worry about it.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
43. I would refer him to a mental health specialist
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jan 2013

For assistance with his paranoia & Rambo-wannabe-schizophrenia conditions.

Puha Ekapi

(594 posts)
48. No
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:48 PM
Jan 2013

Why would I? Most of my neighbors on the rez are gun owners, and there are more than a few "assault weapons" among them. I don't have any worries.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
50. REALLY, is this the best you can do LOL
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:50 PM
Jan 2013

COME ON!!!


How about-

If you knew your neighbor drank Budweiser and pissed in the sink would you move?


If you knew your neighbor only took a bath once a month and licked the inside of her dogs ears would you move?


If you knew your neighbor watched XXX porn while throwing plastic forks in the fireplace would you move?


LOL

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
53. Haven't heard of neighbors getting shot with assault weapons as a particular threat.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jan 2013

Do they ever go for neighbors?

I would think an employer would be in more danger frankly.

rightsideout

(978 posts)
54. There are going to be irresponsible neighbors that have guns
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jan 2013

The neighbor behind me fired his gun into the air because the other neighbor's dogs were barking too loud.

I found out my other neighbor had a gun when he stormed out of his house yelling at the kid across the street for driving too fast. He threatened to shoot him if his kids were ran over. That threat got a visit from the police.

I did a survey and it seems most of the uptight white guys on my street have guns and a temper. Ironically, most of them also have fences around their yards.

I won't move because of them and I'm not afraid of their guns. They are the ones living in fear not me.

But I will put my foot down if they fire their guns into the air again. I don't want their bullets coming down and destroying my solar panels.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
56. Can't move, yet.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:05 PM
Jan 2013

Although living in Florida this scenario is a possibility. In the meantime, I would not give them the time of day. Not so much as a Good Morning. If they asked me why to face, I would definitely tell them. You don't like it? Tough. Maybe they need to be treated like a pariah and SCORNED by the rest of the neighors.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
65. Be careful what you wish for - you just might get it
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jan 2013

He who scorns today may be the scorned one tomorrow. That's the way these things generally work - ask Robespierre.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
127. An "legitimate weapon" with an "assault clip"?
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:55 PM
Jan 2013

Hmmm... don't see a poll option for that one. Maybe you'd have to get a timeshare and spend half a year someplace else.

Initech

(100,100 posts)
64. I just found out yesterday there's a guy in my neighborhood..
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:18 PM
Jan 2013

Who admitted to pulling his gun on people who walk their dogs on the path that goes behind his house - more than once!!!!! I occasionally walk my dogs on the path that goes behind his house. What the hell is going through his head????

rightsideout

(978 posts)
74. Let me guess
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:26 PM
Jan 2013

He's probably an uptight white guy with a temper.

I lot of these "you aren't going to take my guns away" types are middle aged or older white guys which don't take much to set them off.

Initech

(100,100 posts)
77. Sounds about right for where I live.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:32 PM
Jan 2013

I live in Orange County California- very white, very Republican, and full of "get off my lawn" types.

rightsideout

(978 posts)
156. LOL. You just reminded me of my Conservative Grandmother who lived in Southern California
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:00 PM
Jan 2013

She lived in Downey and had a cinderblock wall around her yard. She yelled at me one time for walking across her front lawn.

She died two years ago and unfortunately most of my memories of dear old grandma was her yelling at me and talking down about other members of the family. I never looked forward to visits to see Grandma because no matter what you did you would do something wrong. She was Conservative to the core and I butt heads with her on alot of things.

Initech

(100,100 posts)
142. No my mom overheard this guy at physical therapy.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jan 2013

And yeah that was actually coming from this guy - that sounds quite insane that he would publicly admit to doing something like this. I'd tell the police and launch an investigation into this guy if he tried that while I was around.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
73. On that basis alone? Couldn't care less.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jan 2013

If there was something about the neighbor that make them seem skeevy or an actually high-probability risk factor, that might be different. But possession of weapons that are very seldom actually used in crime? Nope.

juajen

(8,515 posts)
76. That depends on circumstances.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jan 2013

I would opt to move, but have no guarantee that new neighbors wouldn't also have guns. If I had enough money, I would probably move to Costa Rica. This country needs some changes, and I am afraid they are not coming. I am too old to fight.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
80. Only if after the apocalypse they use their guns to take my farm or stuff
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:40 PM
Jan 2013

I live in the rural South. It's a given that most if not all my neighbors have guns. Heck, one has a private gun range and spends many weekend afternoons practicing shooting.

Some of my neighbors are irresponsible enough that I've chased them off my property when I caught them poaching - AFTER I refused to give them permission to hunt my property. The one with the practice range, I don't worry about. He does not hunt on his property because he considers his 50 acres too small to be a safe hunting spot since it is surrounded by development, even though it backs up to my 60 acres, mostly undeveloped. By being there, he keeps down the number of poachers that might come onto my farm.

I'm not going to be paranoid about my neighbors. If they commit a crime on my property, I know where to find them.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
82. LOL - I am pretty sure he has both.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:46 PM
Jan 2013

Given the way the regular weekend shoots sound over there.

I am pretty sure the neighbor across the way has some. Now his widow. I know the next guy down the road has some.

If I thought any of these people were unstable, it would worry me if they had a pistol. As long as I know they're normal, I wouldn't care if they had a machine gun.

I realize that this isn't "normal" in the 'burbs or the cities, but around here, people use these guns for a bunch of stuff, including target shooting and hunting. It is normal around here.

Around here, if you don't have guns people assume you are a felon. It doesn't do a whole lot for your reputation. I don't hunt, I do fish, and I don't like guns, although I do know how to shoot. But scared of them? No. Scared of people who have them? No - I'd be terrified of all my neighbors. It would be like being scared of black people or southerners or white people or rain.

 

dexter sinister

(34 posts)
95. Of course not, I would be happy he (or she) was protecting his/her home.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:04 PM
Jan 2013

Is there going to be a "gun flight" like the "white flight" of old?

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
113. No, I'm not paranoid.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:28 PM
Jan 2013

The anti-gun fanatics seem to be every bit as scared and craven as the pro-gun fanatics that feel the need to be armed to the teeth.

I don't scare easily.

 

justanidea

(291 posts)
116. I would absolutely, without a doubt move...
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:41 PM
Jan 2013

...my ass over to his front porch so that I could ring his doorbell, introduce myself, and engage in a friendly conversation about our gun collections. Afterwards I would smile, say "It was nice to meet you!" and invite him to come with me to the range next time I go.

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
121. Other:
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 08:50 PM
Jan 2013

Unless they come out of the house blazing, I will never get to know my neighbors well enough to know this about them.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
133. No. but I'd write my rep in Congress to pass a law to make the gun illegal. q
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:02 PM
Jan 2013

Oh, wait. I already did that.

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
135. No
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:22 PM
Jan 2013

I live in Texas. I assume that a high percentage of my neighbors do. In fact, a guy at work just told me today that he bought a crate full of high capacity clips because he figures on being able to sell them for a considerable profit soon.

no_hypocrisy

(46,182 posts)
136. I moved out of my rooming house when my housemate threatened to "show" me his
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:22 PM
Jan 2013

semi-automatic pistol. So, sure, I'd move for something more.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
144. You just called all of these people trolls. Way to go. What, no Delicate Flowers or Precious?
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:55 PM
Jan 2013

I'm disappointed.

MFM008, Abnredleg, MrSlayer, csziggy, PoliticalBiker, OmahaBlueDog, backscatter712, NoPasaran, Sissyk, trackfan, hobbit709, dkf, xoom, Paladin, Berserker, RussBLib, RKP5637, ileus, skorpo, Puha Ekapi, LP2K12, rightsideout, Moid62, Upton, graywarrior, 1redhead, Go Vols, napi21, OriginalGeek, diphthong, get the red out, tomg, Ter, pintobean, Skip Intro, cbrer, Yo_Mama, Uben, 11 Bravo, dairydog91, aikoaiko, Rex, GoCubsGo, Permanut, Owl, rollin74, krispos42, Gin, regjoe, Padem61, Logical, Egalitarian Thug, ProgressiveProfessor, Quantess, Tuesday Afternoon, NutmegYankee, RudynJack, Old Codger, spin, CaliforniaPeggy, Wait Wut, guardian, TheKentuckian, madville, Anais05, RebelOne, Veridicus, ChazII, beevul, Duckhunter935, demwing, tammywammy, dexter sinister, NCTraveler, Mimosa, cherokeeprogressive, GreenStormCloud, Butterbean, armkev, sarisataka, jmg257, Deuce, donco, rrneck, Buzz Clik, Locrian, dimbear, mankyanchor, FreeJoe, L0oniX, ProdigalJunkMail, bluerum, Auntie Bush, rvt1000rr

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
145. LOL
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:03 PM
Jan 2013

More hilarity from the Delicate Flowers.

Let me know where I called "all of these people" trolls. I'll wait for you to post your proof right here.

Just in case you're not sure what the word means, you can look up the word "proof" on an online dictionary like dictionary.com

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
147. Way to walk it back, Precious.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 10:13 PM
Jan 2013

You claimed that OxyRush & the Washington Times sent enough trolls over to DU to skew this poll.

Point out those on the list you think are trolls. In the absence of that, I'll infer that you claim all of them are trolls.

I don't think you have the guts though to point to the 45% of the respondents you claim are the trolls who skewed the poll. In fact I'm sure you don't. It's not your style.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
168. I think I know your problem
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:54 PM
Jan 2013

You don't know the meaning of either the word "proof" OR the word "skew".

Your Strawman-building is impressive. The things you claim I posted are pretty fantastical!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
139. It's legal so you have to use your best judgment if neighbors are a danger or not.I would not move.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:28 PM
Jan 2013

If they seemed like a danger to area homes, livestock with any target shooting-, I'd call the sheriff.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
160. My neighbors have had them in the past.
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:13 PM
Jan 2013

They were idiots. We had a better, chance of being shot by accident than anger. We stayed away from them.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
164. No. Who wants hateful culture war? I can think of some...
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:28 PM
Jan 2013

so-called "liberals" here who spoil for an anonymous, paranoia-fueled fight on the innertube, but that doesn't count for much.

 

Undismayed

(76 posts)
178. I think that the responses to this thread prove one important thing.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:42 AM
Jan 2013

If you were to judge by the responses in most gun threads, you'd think most people here are anti-gun. It seems that the anti's are just way more vocal. Most people either don't care about what guns you own or own guns themselves. This is as it should be. I don't butt into other people's life choices and expect the same in return. You know, liberalism.

obamanut2012

(26,137 posts)
228. Why is someone who owns one more paranoid
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jan 2013

Than someone who owns any other type of "repeating" rifle? I don't get that.

I would never pay so much money for a rifle, and I think anything tricked out looks dumb (ie also spoilers on cars), but it's just a rifle. Odds are good the people NEXT to them have "deadlier" firearms.

BainsBane

(53,056 posts)
232. it's not a hunting rifle
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:37 AM
Jan 2013

And in a city like where I live something like that only brings trouble. It's a murder machine. No sane person wants anything like that. Yes, I'm making assumptions if someone spends his days practicing how to kill large numbers of people he isn't aren't psychologically sound. Would you choose to live next to a meth lab? I see this as comparable.

obamanut2012

(26,137 posts)
275. It is a rifle and nothing else
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:13 PM
Jan 2013

It is not a machine gun or anything else. It is a "regular" rifle, it's just made to look "cool."

A meth labber and a law-abiding gun owner are not comparable. My God.

BainsBane

(53,056 posts)
278. how do I know the person is law abiding?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:19 PM
Jan 2013

You certainly don't. He's got the capacity to slaughter dozens of people. That's what I care about. There is nothing cool about machines designed to murder. The concept is perverse. Both the gun and the meth lab are dangerous. That one is legal and the other isn't speaks to the idiosyncrasies of the law.

So you all have the right to stockpile WMD but I don't have the right to live where I want? Is that what you're saying now?

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
269. You see some pariah object that resembles a futuristic ray gun from a 1950s SciFi movie
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jan 2013

I see a rifle.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
317. I still see a rifle. It's unfortunate that you presume to know the mindset of every person...
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:10 PM
Jan 2013

...who owns a similar rifle.

I own one, and murdering anyone is the last thing I would ever want to do.

If I really wanted to murder someone I had a perfect storm of an opportunity Monday night. I driving to a restaurant after dark, and a person who fit two of my biggest road pet peeves - Idiot bicyclists who don't obey traffic laws, and people who talk on cell phones while driving - went through a red light, violating my right-of-way at an intersection. He had no lights on, and no helmet or any other protective gear.

Without any conscious thought I hit the brakes, hard. My SUV stopped about six feet short of the path of the cyclist, who continued on at a good clip without even looking in my direction.

If I had maintained course and speed there probably would have been a collision, and I would have "won." But I value life over all other things. Even the life of a low-life nitwit who doesn't value his own life.

If I was prone to worrying about strange things that strangers post on the Internet, I might take offense at your attitude. But I really don't care what you think. I'll keep my rifle and continue to keep it locked up when I'm not out using it responsibly.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
218. Well, I'm thinking if someone
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:20 AM
Jan 2013

knocked on my door and started going on about the person in 01B having weapons, I would consider that person paranoid.
For one thing, how the hell would they know? For another, what exactly am I supposed to do about that?
Maybe it's just me, but I don't like busybodies.

BainsBane

(53,056 posts)
219. the OP said no such thing
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:22 AM
Jan 2013

It didn't specify how one learned about the presence of the gun, just that it was there.

obamanut2012

(26,137 posts)
231. I had a neighbor like that once
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:34 AM
Jan 2013

Two neighbors got restraining orders against them.

They finally set their apartment on fire somehow and were evicted.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
237. Good grief!
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:41 AM
Jan 2013

I'm fortunate in that we only had to put up with the super-busybody for 2 months before she moved out.
There are a couple of other gossipy people here, but I just avoid them.

I don't understand why live and let live is hard for people to grasp.

obamanut2012

(26,137 posts)
256. I don't know if they were pathologically paranpid
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:25 PM
Jan 2013

Or just bored. But they would tell everyone everything people were doing. It was creepy.

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
181. Shut this down. Inflammatory in favor of acceptance of the most vile.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:45 AM
Jan 2013

I don't care how friendly to my own point of view was intended.

Might as well put a child porn image at the lead.

Shut it down please.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
286. In gun parlance, the OP was a breech burst!
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:51 PM
Jan 2013

Kind of muddies the controller's waters, if you will accept a mixed metaphor.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
187. "Military pattern rifles" is the term you are looking for.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:30 AM
Jan 2013

"Assault weapons" is a vague catch-all term. "Assault rifles" are military grade and fully automatic, which civilian versions are not.

And in this county, I would be surprised if my neighbors did not have them.

Almost none of the people who own military pattern weapons will ever "snap" (whatever that means).

Response to BainsBane (Reply #193)

derby378

(30,252 posts)
200. Leave any room for a Swiss army knife?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:21 AM
Jan 2013

That can't be an "assault clip" mounted on the firearm - it doesn't have a shoulder thing that goes up.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
234. LOL
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:37 AM
Jan 2013

Yeah, almost as much as reading another one of the same 20-30 NRA Talking Points parroted for the 3,664,399th time.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
243. LOL
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:54 AM
Jan 2013

Mine is amusing, at least to Liberals.

On the other hand, parroting NRA Talking Points on a Liberal chatboard is like posting creationist crap or birther crap.

So, your false equivalence is true only if you think Democratic Underground should jettison its TOS and become "open to right-wing memes"

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
247. Amusing?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:03 PM
Jan 2013

Most Liberals aren't that easily amused.

Of course DU shouldn't allow RW talking crap. I just think it's sad that your answer to it is a jerk off 'joke'.
 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
250. ????
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:09 PM
Jan 2013

> I just think it's sad that your answer to it is a jerk off 'joke'.

You want me to deconstruct why it ISN'T just a "jerk off joke"? Read up on semiotics on wikipedia and when you've covered that, let me know.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
216. Are you bothered by the excessive number of mounting rails on the foreend of that rifle?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jan 2013

They kind of bug me. Someone might use them to do something like this:

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
203. No, I wouldn't move.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:38 AM
Jan 2013

For one thing, I have no way of knowing what the neighbors have in their apartments. It isn't any of my damn business.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
204. This, is why the human species lives in a corner of the universe isolated from
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:39 AM
Jan 2013

civilization as a possibly failed extraterrestrial experiment gone awry.

NeedleCast

(8,827 posts)
206. WTF is an assault clip?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:52 AM
Jan 2013

Are we affixing the word "assault" onto anything that can be dangerous now?

If I drive my Toyota Matrix over the speed limit does that make it an Assault Matrix?

(Note to self: Assault Matrix is an awesome metal band name...)

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
220. Words have meanings. If you want people to understand you then you should learn them.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:23 AM
Jan 2013

Otherwise you just look like a fool.

This is a clip:



And there is no such thing as an 'assault clip'.

Why would anyone move because their neighbor owned a small piece of metal like a clip?

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
236. Why are you changing the subject?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jan 2013

Everyone already knows what dead kindergartners are. I guess it's because you don't know what a clip is and you are trying to create a distraction. How embarrassing for you. It's almost as embarrassing as you telling everyone AAPL is going to increase 60% in a year, only to have it drop 25%. I have an idea: stop posting about things you are completely ignorant of. So ignorant of that you don't even understand the meanings of the words you are using.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
272. Here's another idea.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jan 2013

Try to get over yourself, and the notion that anyone gives a rat's ass about the technical details of fucking guns, or the correct names of their attachments. Gun nuts who parrot the same bullshit NRA talking points over, and over, and over, don't seem to understand that we don't care what in the hell you call your precious toys. It is you asshats who are ignorant of the total disinterest most of us have in your fucking obsessive behavior.

When your bang sticks become more tightly regulated, you can call them whatever you want (George, Lover, Gunny Wunny) as long as you register them, and take responsibility for them.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
279. It's not a technical detail, it's the meaning of the word.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jan 2013

If you are going to use a word (any word at all, this isn't about guns) either know what the word means, or be prepared to be laughed at for being the ignorant fool you are.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
282. Why would anyone but a gun nut
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:43 PM
Jan 2013

care what the "meaning" of a specific technical gun term is? Only gun fetishists spouting NRA talking points are anal retentive enough to be so pedantic.

Being "laughed at" by a Gungeon dweller is the epitome of irony. Think about it.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
307. Weapon:
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:20 PM
Jan 2013

A weapon, arm, or armament is a tool, device, or instrument used in order to inflict damage or harm to enemies or other living beings, structures, or systems.

The only "meaning" we need to know in order to regulate guns...

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
309. If that is the only word you need to know the meaning of
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:40 PM
Jan 2013

then you can stop using words you don't know the meaning of and attacking people that do know the meaning.

I can't believe there are people here arguing that they don't need to know the meanings of the words they are using.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
311. That's okay Bubba,
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:59 PM
Jan 2013

because we don't really need your permission or approval to regulate weapons, firearms, or guns. But you shouldn't feel too badly about the coming new gun control legislation because, after all, you know the "meaning" of some special NRA/Gungeon talking point words that no one else cares about.

There now, doesn't that make you feel special?...

Oh, and BTW this will end our discussion because I'm placing you on ignore so that the rest of your Gungeon buddies won't feel so lonely. Toodles...

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
312. I'm just so high class. I know the meaning of the words I use!
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 04:30 PM
Jan 2013


See ya onehandle! Good luck with your AAPL stock.

NeedleCast

(8,827 posts)
297. I Think You Were In A Office 2003 Class I taught once
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:11 PM
Jan 2013

Many years back I was a tech trainer for an Office XP roll out for a branch of Dept. of Justice. We trained employees ranging from federally appointed judges down to court clerks on how to use Outlook, Word, Excel and PowerPoint. The class was mandated by their headquarters governing body.

Me: "Okay, so now you're going to want to double-click on the..."

Attorney: "Whoa, Whoa, Whoa...what's double-click? You IT guys! You computer nerds! Why does anyone need to KNOW THIS STUFF?!?!"

Me: "So double-click just means you're going to tap the left mouse button twice..."

Attorney: "What? You know what, I have a secretary for this! This class if for secretaries and computer geeks!" Double left click tap! Who cares?!?!"

Me: "Well, you need to know what these terms mean to complete this class and do your job."

Attorney: "...."

Me: "Right...so double-click the Microsoft Outlook icon on your des...."

Attorney: "ICON! There's another computer geek word. We haven't opened the thing yet but you're in tech nerd land! Nerd alert!"

Me: "Anyone else have an issue with double-clicking an icon or need further explanation?"

(silence)


I don't expect you to really understand this story and get why you = the Attorney in said story. But you are.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
249. Did Lanza use "assault clips"?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:05 PM
Jan 2013

The rifle he used wasn't an "assault weapon" by Connecticut law or the 94 Federal law, for that matter.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
262. I understood what it meant - device to feed more bullets to the chamber than any moral person will
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jan 2013

ever need for anything moral/ethical.

Why is it so difficult for those steeped in guns to understand? But then, those folks can't even understand the 2nd Amendment, and that it was written by a bunch of slave owners 200+ years ago, who endorsed killing Native Americans for their land, would not allow women to vote, etc.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
268. Well golly gee Hoyt.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jan 2013

If you're going to resort to using facts, then there is just no reason to continue this conversation...

NeedleCast

(8,827 posts)
273. I don't really think you understand what it means
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:11 PM
Jan 2013

I mean, technically, as definitions go, you couldn't, because there's no such animal. I just get a image in my head of me pointing at a stack of books and saying "look at those roosters" and you going "yeah, I understand what you mean" when you clearly can't because I've just redefined a word or created a linkage that doesn't exist.

(Standard disclaimer for gun threads - I don't own any guns).

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
280. Clear to me. Of course, I don't "pointy finger" read word-by-word. I read in chunks for ideas.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jan 2013

NeedleCast

(8,827 posts)
283. Okay, so Indulge Me If You Would
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:43 PM
Jan 2013

You said an "assault clip" is a "device to feed more bullets to the chamber than any moral person will need..."

Can you give me an actual definition of those two words?

Do you not see this is an undefined idea/thing as there is no arbiter of morality? I'm really trying to tap dance for you here because at any moment any one of dozens of potential people is going to pop up, call me a Precious Flower or Gun Nut (despite the fact that I don't own any guns) accuse me of NRA talking points and were back at step 1.

An "assault clip" isn't, by definition a thing. I can't point at my Jeep Wrangler and say "Yeah, that's my ArfGarble" and expect people to know what I'm talking about. If you ask random people on the street what an "assault clip" is, you probably wouldn't get the same answer twice and probably would instead get a funny look because most people wouldn't understand what you're talking about.

To me, this thread (and the hundreds that came before it) are a beautiful, exquisite example of why the country makes no progress on this issue.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
281. Except that a clip doesn't feed bullets into the chamber, so you don't know what it means.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jan 2013

Why is it so difficult for those that want to take away people's constitutional rights to understand? But then, those folks can't even understand the racist origins of gun control, and that they were written to prevent blacks and hispanics from owning guns.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
305. Your Brady talking points only prove you have no argument.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jan 2013

When you call something an NRA talking point you are just admitting you have no argument.

Ashgrey77

(236 posts)
330. What does a standard capacity magazine have to do with morality?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:46 PM
Jan 2013

And what does a inanimate object have to do with actual morality? Those same "slave owners" also wrote the first amendment which you seem to enjoy using so much.

NeedleCast

(8,827 posts)
271. Hold On, I'm Trying To Keep Up
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jan 2013

At what capacity does a clip become and Assault Clip or (as your suggested) A Domestic Terrorist Clip?

Are you suggesting that people who own clips that hold more than (x) bullets are terrorists?

(Standard disclaimer for gun threads - I don't own any guns).

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
245. Is the irony lost on you that that wasn't an assault weapon under the '94 ban?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:57 AM
Jan 2013

Do you even care?

(To make it an assault weapon, it would need a bayonet mount. Yes, really. This is why we keep bringing definitions up.)

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
331. I think we are past allowing the NRA/GOP to write the definitions, etc.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:20 AM
Jan 2013

Who cares about bayonet mounts and such. If you can measure any degree of excitement in a yahoo, it's an "assault" weapons in my mind. I'll have to work on suggested legislative verbiage.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
334. It can be redefined. Do you get it now?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:12 AM
Jan 2013

Heck, you could define it as a semi-autos, period to keep it simple.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
335. That would make infinitely more sense
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:57 AM
Jan 2013

That's not my preferred course, but that at least does what you're trying to do, so if nothing else you wouldn't have me filling up your threads with reminders that what you're advocating doesn't do what you want it to. So, by all means, just say "ban all semi-autos".

billh58

(6,635 posts)
266. You certainly attracted a
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 12:44 PM
Jan 2013

swarm of newbie Gungeon recruits (read trolls) with this poll. It's comical to see them rushing to defend a mythical neighbor with a gun. Almost as funny as watching them run around in circles with their hair on fire and screaming "my 2nd Amendment rights!"

NeedleCast

(8,827 posts)
276. No less that it has attracted a swarm
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:13 PM
Jan 2013

of gun grabbers.

And then everyone class each other names, no meaningful dialogue takes place.

Return to step 1.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
323. You would let the authorities know he has something legal?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:39 PM
Jan 2013

*shrug*

I love bringing pie to neighbors. Also samosas, now that my wife divulged her "ancient Bengali secret" (*cough* planko *cough*) for cooking them.

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
289. Why?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jan 2013

I might move if they were cooking meth or if it was a flop house for meth heads.

I also might move if they had NY Jets bumper stickers on their cars.

 

guardian

(2,282 posts)
315. Interesting poll results
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:34 PM
Jan 2013

I went back today and looked at the OP's poll results. 71% of DUers have no problem with their neighbor owning assault weapons. Only a minority of 29% would object. I wonder how this DU poll would compare with a similar nationwide poll?

nachosgrande

(66 posts)
326. Wrong.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:46 PM
Jan 2013

The question posed was would you move if you knew your neighbor owned assault rifles. I voted no to that question; not that I had no problem with people owning them. I'd rather prefer that no one owned assault rifles, or any type of weapons in general, but the fact remains that they're currently legal and my neighbor has the right to own them. Assuming I knew and trusted my neighbor, I wouldn't move over them owning an assault weapon. Now, if I thought my neighbor was a danger to me or family based on their demonstrated behavior and I knew they owned assault weapons, then I'd probably be looking to get the hell out of Dodge.

tavernier

(12,400 posts)
344. Oh, no worries
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:27 PM
Jan 2013

We are fast becoming (or trying to become) an Escape From New York society. Soon the criminals and NRA gang will be the only ones who will want to live here. Perhaps a few decades after they destroy each other in their wars, normal peaceful people will return. But the clean up will be a bitch.

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