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Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:20 PM Jan 2012

You all know me as a critic of this president. About that speech he just gave . . . .



Good speech.

Real policy ideas.

A few great lines.

Some challenges to the shitbird repubicans.

My favorite line was the one about nation building in AMERICA. To that I say "Fuck Yeah!"
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You all know me as a critic of this president. About that speech he just gave . . . . (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 OP
Thank you. DevonRex Jan 2012 #1
Since when has he not given good - no great - speeches though? slay Jan 2012 #2
his actions? Are you fucking serious? How about the do-nothing congress demtenjeep Jan 2012 #4
Yeah - like signing on for indefinite detention of Americans, covering up the Bush WAR CRIMES slay Jan 2012 #6
There goes the baby, out with the bathwater. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #9
OBAMA BADDDDD!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #17
Does it make you feel any better to know that I blame Congress as much, if not more tavalon Jan 2012 #22
Agree. Not impressed with his speeches, anymore. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #5
His policy proposals in 2008 were much more moderate / pragmatic / center-right, imo. joshcryer Jan 2012 #10
I agree. This one was slightly less center-right than before slay Jan 2012 #11
'so called "choice" '? Do you mean between Obama and the repub clown? uppityperson Jan 2012 #12
In a way slay Jan 2012 #15
"The Dems are better - but by how much?" not much of a difference between Dems and Repubs? uppityperson Jan 2012 #18
No speech would be good enough to suit you I guess. napi21 Jan 2012 #14
Well, Iran/Israel, he's definitely center-right. joshcryer Jan 2012 #16
What was different this time was that he announced to Congress that if they don't move with him, JDPriestly Jan 2012 #20
I hope you are right - and that he will follow through slay Jan 2012 #25
Yup, I didn't listen tonight because I've stopped hoping for change tavalon Jan 2012 #23
I enjoyed that 'nation building' line Lifelong Protester Jan 2012 #3
Agreed. Great speech. Matariki Jan 2012 #7
AMEN! Odin2005 Jan 2012 #8
He was saying the things we have been asking for Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2012 #13
Excellent! tavalon Jan 2012 #24
I didnt get to hear all of it Marrah_G Jan 2012 #19
I kind of wish I had watched tavalon Jan 2012 #21
 

slay

(7,670 posts)
2. Since when has he not given good - no great - speeches though?
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:24 PM
Jan 2012

his actions, or lack thereof - not his speeches - are the problem IMO.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
4. his actions? Are you fucking serious? How about the do-nothing congress
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:26 PM
Jan 2012

I am fucking sick of all the I don't get my pony people

Jesus

go fucking vote for newty/romney then

 

slay

(7,670 posts)
6. Yeah - like signing on for indefinite detention of Americans, covering up the Bush WAR CRIMES
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:30 PM
Jan 2012

not even trying to fight for single payer for us. yeah - i indeed have problems with his actions. your remark about voting for romney/newt was uncalled for.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
22. Does it make you feel any better to know that I blame Congress as much, if not more
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:00 AM
Jan 2012

than him, though as the Captain of the ship, the Dems in Congress do look to him for leadership and guidance and they got precious little of either. I will, of course, vote for him, because the alternative is worse, but he hasn't been great. I hope that without the need to campaign for a second term, he will decide to go for a more liberal legacy.

Oh, and BTW, the pony canard is old, old and old. That poor beast is glue. Retire him please.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
10. His policy proposals in 2008 were much more moderate / pragmatic / center-right, imo.
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:40 PM
Jan 2012

Going after the Taliban, escalating in Afghanistan, deficit reduction.

 

slay

(7,670 posts)
11. I agree. This one was slightly less center-right than before
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:41 PM
Jan 2012

not good enough IMO - but it's the so called "choice" we are given.

 

slay

(7,670 posts)
15. In a way
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:49 PM
Jan 2012

2 parties - when both are pro-corporate - isn't much of a choice. The Dems are better - but by how much?

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
18. "The Dems are better - but by how much?" not much of a difference between Dems and Repubs?
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:56 PM
Jan 2012

Dems=Repubs?

Do you support the Greens or who?

How about SCOTUS?

napi21

(45,806 posts)
14. No speech would be good enough to suit you I guess.
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:48 PM
Jan 2012

I suspect you're thinking about how great Teddy did so many years ago, and you're right, it wasn't as good as Teddy's, BUT you must also consider that Teddy had a congress that was on HIS SIDE! I think our Pressident was as strong as he felt he could be at this point in time, and hope to get reelected and get a cooperative congress too. What a dream that would be!

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
16. Well, Iran/Israel, he's definitely center-right.
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:51 PM
Jan 2012

I would say "right" full stop there, but, he's wrong, on that count. Plus, I don't see him attacking Iran unless the circumstances were extraordinary, and give it about a 40% chance (any Republican gives us a 100% chance). So I suppose saying 'center' right on Iran/Isreal is true.

Fracking talk, disliked it a lot, but the renewable energy infrastructure people love it, so, there's sort of a big internal conflict with environmentalists on that issue (gas is lower emission, does really good for peaking or standby at high efficiency for intermittent renewables). He's on the center on this issue, center-right is arguable, but only if you discount the pro-nat-gas environment policy proposals.

Taxes is a mixed bag, people will argue that he's being right wing on it, but "bringing jobs back" is a very progressive idea, bringing jobs back and tax breaks for doing so, it's hard to see how that is even a right wing view. Since he was saying that we needed to end the Bush tax cuts, it's clear that he's really more center-left on that issue, but it will be argued the other way, for sure.

Otherwise the rest of the talk was quite center-left, which is not what I perceived from Obama in 2008.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
20. What was different this time was that he announced to Congress that if they don't move with him,
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:18 AM
Jan 2012

he is finding ways to take some of the steps needed rights straight from the White House. No need to wait for the support of Congress.

He is finding constitutional ways to circumvent the do-nothing Congress. I think Congress will want to support him rather than be left behind.

 

slay

(7,670 posts)
25. I hope you are right - and that he will follow through
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:51 PM
Jan 2012

cause very often his speeches rock but his actions don't. i certainly won't be voting repub so i hope during his second term he stands up to the assholes in congress at every opportunity.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
23. Yup, I didn't listen tonight because I've stopped hoping for change
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:04 AM
Jan 2012

However, this one does sound like it was a barn burner and despite the likelihood of little of it actually coming to fruition, it did make the Republicant's pissy, in real time! I don't mind that one whit. Luckily, the intertubes will allow me to enjoy their discomfiture at my leisure.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
24. Excellent!
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:05 AM
Jan 2012

Now, step two. Do the things we've been asking for. Captain the Congress ship into smarter waters. Ditch the teabaggers and GET IT DONE!

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
21. I kind of wish I had watched
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:56 AM
Jan 2012

His voice doesn't make my ears bleed like his predecessor's did and while I've learned to wait and see what he does rather than what he says, it sounds like this one was fun if for no other reason than to watch the Republican's recognize their inevitable defeat this fall.

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