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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKrugman: WH tells him that it is absolutely, positively not going to cave
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/by-george/
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)let's see if he can do his job between his drinking
DJ13
(23,671 posts)dsc
(52,166 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)I still think they should not have given up on the coin idea, even if they had no plans of doing it.
The WH has a bad habit of giving up on any leverage they might have against the GOP ahead of negotiations.
They've done that far too often.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)It's more bargaining with yourself and they HAVE done it far too often.
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)Me...not this time..but that is me..
forestpath
(3,102 posts)Obama wants to cut Social Security. So if he puts that on the table again, it isn't caving because it's something he already wants to do.
n/t
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)the cheerleaders have assured us that there's no chance of this.
elias7
(4,026 posts)This kind of snarky sarcastic comment is cyber bullying, whether you wish to admit it or not. Can't find many threads anymore without this kind of crap.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)I believe that Obama thinks there is a real principle involved with debt ceiling terrorism.
dawg
(10,624 posts)The debt ceiling is not the real battle. The expiration of the continuing resolution is when everything will be decided.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)As in, if you don't get 100% of what you asked for, then you "caved".
The so-called fiscal cliff deal was by all accounts a win for Obama and the progressives (most Progressive caucus members voted for it in the House, as well as Bernie Sanders). Our side got most of what we wanted, the other side only got a little. But Krug called it a "cave".
dawg
(10,624 posts)Perhaps you have a link to that?
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)"Caving" assumes an intent that doesn't exist.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)"Sensible Americans will see this as a Step in the Right Direction."
"We saved our Children from the crushing burden of The Deficit."
"We protected Social Security."
"You don't understand how government works."
"Obama now looks like the sensible one."
"Nobody got what they wanted...so that makes it a Good Deal."
"Compromise is the foundation of democracy."
"This wasn't a "cave". It was a HUGE VICTORY. Add it to The List."
"It was ALL Joe Lieberman's fault."
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)but the way the teaheads where I work are framing this is that the continuing resolutions of the 2009 budget are unsustainable. They claim that the extraordinary spending levels put in the 2009 budget were only meant for that year to combat the recession and should have been rebalanced after 2009 but that the Sentate has not taken up a real budget since 2009.
I wonder where the truth really is on this because it does seem that popular opinion is of the position that there is a serious deficit and debt problem in the country and something must be done.
Don't people on our side think that this is really an opportunity to discuss real reforms that would bring in the revenue needed to combat the debt, in other words take the options of cutting federal programs directly off the table by fixing any real or perceived issues with the sustainability of spending levels and the sustainability of programs like S.S. by offerring real solutions like these:
VAT (could be as low as 3 percent, value added tax on everything except food)
Wealth Luxury tax with a 25 percent surcharge on top of VAT for all single item purchases over 50K property exemption to 250K.
Banking Transaction tax. (could be less than a penny per)
Wall Street trading transaction tax. (cold be less than a penny per)
Firearms ownership annual tax (doesn't need to be severe but needed to establish revenue for safeguards on schools)
Ammunition (surcharge tax on materials or ammo)
These options will eliminate the deficit immediatley on implementation and cause a massive surplus that will bring the national debt down massively over a very short period of time.
These options could be tried on a temporary basis with the President out front leading the charge with a JFK like call for ...."asking what we can do for our country.... "
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)have short term memory issues?
I'm betting yes.
Kablooie
(18,638 posts)Sorry I don't have faith.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 33 times, shame on you, fool me 34 times, shame on me.