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Who Says American Manufacturing is Dead? Behold, Your #1 Growth Industry! (Original Post) DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 OP
This is why the war mongers are so anxious to attack another country liberal N proud Jan 2012 #1
Anyone still wondering why... 99Forever Jan 2012 #2
"A Third World country with a big Military" DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #13
A perfect description. 99Forever Jan 2012 #14
There were a lot of terms like that for the USSR RZM Jan 2012 #27
Your points explain why the USSR collapsed a couple decades before us, that's all. Scuba Jan 2012 #51
Have our economy and political system collapsed? RZM Jan 2012 #52
Not yet, but we're trying hard. Scuba Jan 2012 #53
Who are we selling 'em to? joshcryer Jan 2012 #3
That is a good question Broderick Jan 2012 #16
GREECE! This is not sarcasm. Prometheus Bound Jan 2012 #46
Oh god. That is crazy. joshcryer Jan 2012 #50
Did anyone inventory those? sagesnow Jan 2012 #4
Homeland Security will arrest you for taking that video Generic Other Jan 2012 #5
yes there is /was a law against video or still shots of trains madrchsod Jan 2012 #10
Misleading Title lacrew Jan 2012 #6
The United States is still the world's largest manufacturer, 1/5 of the world's total. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #7
You're not supposed to post stuff like this on DU... hunter Jan 2012 #8
Indeed! (eom) CanSocDem Jan 2012 #9
Well, at least we're still good at making one thing. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #11
They were made in China treestar Jan 2012 #12
Counted over 110 before it cut off Broderick Jan 2012 #15
Training at the National Training Center at Ft Irwin is my guess. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #17
Must be a huge facility Broderick Jan 2012 #20
Largest in the world - 1000 square miles. hack89 Jan 2012 #23
Thanks for the information! Broderick Jan 2012 #25
Reserves heading to Hunter Liggett would be my guess Brother Buzz Jan 2012 #34
Could be - there are plenty of plausible explanations. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #38
It's been quite a while since those were manufactured. MineralMan Jan 2012 #18
you were supposed to be highly offended, and stuff... dionysus Jan 2012 #19
Yah. Offended because we have a military at all, MineralMan Jan 2012 #21
Yes t's all nonsense... SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #35
It's tanks on a train, going to some base. MineralMan Jan 2012 #36
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #24
i admire your skill of completely making shit up, outrage dude... dionysus Jan 2012 #29
That word is offensive. DevonRex Jan 2012 #33
Thanks for the "briefing" whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #22
But true. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #26
i find the phoney outrage more comical... dionysus Jan 2012 #30
What is your problem? Why the constant attacks on him? DevonRex Jan 2012 #31
No problem. Glad to do it. MineralMan Jan 2012 #32
Operation Fast & Furious II Hugabear Jan 2012 #28
Trains like this have routinely moved through California since the 1980s hack89 Jan 2012 #37
Here's another pintobean Jan 2012 #39
And then there's this: DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #40
couple things here maddezmom Jan 2012 #43
+ 1 Article has link to SIPRI, which I was not aware of: BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #48
wow. maybe they should have covered each tank with a tarp Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #41
Why - it is a routine movement. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #42
so the public doesn't get the wrong idea. Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #47
A tank covered by a tarp looks like a tank covered by a tarp hack89 Jan 2012 #49
They're trying to save money. progressoid Jan 2012 #44
I was very disappointed that the president didn't brag about this fact last night. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #45

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
2. Anyone still wondering why...
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:28 AM
Jan 2012

... we are neck deep in debt? What does those instruments of death cost a copy? $2, $3, $4 million? And that's just 1 train load.

This is the attitude that drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy.


 

DeathToTheOil

(1,124 posts)
13. "A Third World country with a big Military"
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:05 PM
Jan 2012

That's how Francis Fukuyama (The End of History) described the former USSR. Sadly, America appears to be moving in the same direction.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
14. A perfect description.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:43 PM
Jan 2012

We seem to be ignoring the simple truth that those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
27. There were a lot of terms like that for the USSR
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:31 PM
Jan 2012

'Upper Volta with missiles' is one. Stalin was also once described as 'Genghis Khan with a telegraph.'

I would hesitate to draw too many comparisons between the US and Soviet economies. While it's certainly true that the Soviet leadership chose guns over butter, military spending and 'imperial overstretch' (to use Paul Kennedy's phrase) were only aspects of the decline. I think a lot of historians agree that structural weaknesses inherent in the system underlined the collapse. The level of inefficiency really was unbelievable.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
52. Have our economy and political system collapsed?
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:10 PM
Jan 2012

Political system seems to be going along as it always has, with all the same flaws it's had too.

Economy took a hit, but so did much of the rest of the world. It's still functioning as well.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
50. Oh god. That is crazy.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:21 PM
Jan 2012

Going to need an armada of tanks to stop the eventual blowout and civil war that's fomenting? Geez.

sagesnow

(2,824 posts)
4. Did anyone inventory those?
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:41 AM
Jan 2012

I don't have time- got to get to work. What do rigs like that go for at the local tank dealership?

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
5. Homeland Security will arrest you for taking that video
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:46 AM
Jan 2012

I just know you violated some freaking law.

Wow. What a load of taxpayer money wasted on empire.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
10. yes there is /was a law against video or still shots of trains
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:18 AM
Jan 2012

i remember there was a big out cry from the rail buffs over this law. i do not know if the feds killed the law.

 

lacrew

(283 posts)
6. Misleading Title
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:11 AM
Jan 2012

These vehicles weren't 'manufactured' anytime recently. Looking at the crossing's location (Watsonville), these vehicles were probably en route to a rotation at the National Training Center, at Fort Irwin.

Judging by the green paint job (and pristine condition of the paint job), I would hazard a guess that this was actually a National Guard unit.

I think they are Bradley's...total production cost is around $6 billion....around the annual cost of the Ethanol subsidy.

If anybody is making money by moving these vehicles around, its BNSF...or Warren Buffet.



 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. The United States is still the world's largest manufacturer, 1/5 of the world's total.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:51 AM
Jan 2012

So anyone who says it is dead is simply incorrect. Speaking right wing rhetoric, working in memes and generalities which are not related to reality.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
8. You're not supposed to post stuff like this on DU...
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:09 AM
Jan 2012

... you might endanger our troops if the Communist government of Canada gets wind of our impending invasion.

Think of those poor, poor Canadians. We've got to save them from socialized medicine and install a modern efficient healthcare system such as our own there.



Broderick

(4,578 posts)
20. Must be a huge facility
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:12 PM
Jan 2012

That's a lot of iron and steel rumbling down the track.

It would have made me nervous seeing that much destructive power going by.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
23. Largest in the world - 1000 square miles.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:19 PM
Jan 2012

big enough for maneuvering large armored forces. It was the key to our success in the first Gulf War - very hard, very realistic training in the Mojave desert.

Every unit that went to Iraq and Afghanistan did a rotation at NTC. The Canadians send their troops there too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Irwin_National_Training_Center

Brother Buzz

(36,442 posts)
34. Reserves heading to Hunter Liggett would be my guess
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:27 PM
Jan 2012

Ft Irwin is the big game, but not the only one.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
18. It's been quite a while since those were manufactured.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:05 PM
Jan 2012

That's how tanks are transported. Heading for a base where they'll be used in a training exercise. I saw fuel transporters on that train, too.

Troops train. Train hauls the tanks.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
21. Yah. Offended because we have a military at all,
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jan 2012

I suppose. More nonsense exhibited in this thread.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
35. Yes t's all nonsense...
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:29 PM
Jan 2012

Forget all about that missing 2 trillion dollars, it's not like we need the money.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

3 Fucking years later and no one knows where 2 TRILLION dollars went. And don't bring me that "accounting mistake" bullshit, 2 trillion dollars is not a fucking "mistake" it's a travesty.

Oh yeah and put more money into a useless "missile shield" that hasn't worked in 30 years. That's a good plan. It's not like we need the money.


Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast if you actually have any interest in how wasteful your military is.


MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
36. It's tanks on a train, going to some base.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:32 PM
Jan 2012

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I'm talking about that video.

Response to dionysus (Reply #19)

hack89

(39,171 posts)
37. Trains like this have routinely moved through California since the 1980s
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jan 2012

there is a constant rotation of units being trained at the NTC at Ft Irwin.

 

DeathToTheOil

(1,124 posts)
40. And then there's this:
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:01 PM
Jan 2012

From The American Conservative, no less!

Weapons 'R' Us

By William J. Astore | January 24, 2012

Perhaps you’ve heard of “Makin’ Thunderbirds,” a hard-bitten rock & roll song by Bob Seger that I listened to 30 years ago while in college. It’s about auto workers back in 1955 who were “young and proud” to be making Ford Thunderbirds. But in the early 1980s, Seger sings, “the plants have changed and you’re lucky if you work.” Seger caught the reality of an American manufacturing infrastructure that was seriously eroding as skilled and good-paying union jobs were cut or sent overseas, rarely to be seen again in these parts.

If the U.S. auto industry has recently shown sparks of new life (though we’re not making T-Birds or Mercuries or Oldsmobiles or Pontiacs or Saturns anymore), there is one form of manufacturing in which America is still dominant. When it comes to weaponry, to paraphrase Seger, we’re still young and proud and makin’ Predators and Reapers (as in unmanned aerial vehicles, or drones) and Eagles and Fighting Falcons (as in F-15 and F-16 combat jets), and outfitting them with the deadliest of weapons. In this market niche, we’re still the envy of the world.

Yes, we’re the world’s foremost “merchants of death,” the title of a best-selling exposé of the international arms trade published to acclaim in the U.S. in 1934. Back then, most Americans saw themselves as war-avoiders rather than as war-profiteers. The evil war-profiteers were mainly European arms makers like Germany’s Krupp, France’s Schneider, or Britain’s Vickers.

Not that America didn’t have its own arms merchants. As the authors of Merchants of Death noted, early on our country demonstrated a “Yankee propensity for extracting novel death-dealing knickknacks from [our] peddler’s pack.” Amazingly, the Nye Committee in the U.S. Senate devoted 93 hearings from 1934 to 1936 to exposing America’s own “greedy munitions interests.” Even in those desperate depression days, a desire for profit and jobs was balanced by a strong sense of unease at this deadly trade, an unease reinforced by the horrors of and hecatombs of dead from the First World War.

We are uneasy no more. Today we take great pride (or at least have no shame) in being by far the world’s number one arms-exporting nation. A few statistics bear this out. From 2006 to 2010, the U.S. accounted for nearly one-third of the world’s arms exports, easily surpassing a resurgent Russia in the “Lords of War” race. Despite a decline in global arms sales in 2010 due to recessionary pressures, the U.S. increased its market share, accounting for a whopping 53%of the trade that year. Last year saw the U.S. on pace to deliver more than $46 billion in foreign arms sales. Who says America isn’t number one anymore?


http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/weapons-r-us/

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
43. couple things here
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:03 PM
Jan 2012

first it's a copyright violation. Second, can't you find any lefty, liberal or progressive sources to make your case. Why use that crap?

BrendaBrick

(1,296 posts)
48. + 1 Article has link to SIPRI, which I was not aware of:
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:17 PM
Jan 2012

From wiki (in part): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_International_Peace_Research_Institute

Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) is an independent international institute dedicated to research into conflict, armaments, arms control and disarmament. Established in 1966, SIPRI provides data, analysis and recommendations, based on open source, to policymakers, researchers, media and the interested public.

The Foreign Policy Think Tank Index ranked SIPRI as the #3 non-U.S. think tank in the world in 2009.[1]

SIPRI website: http://www.sipri.org/

hack89

(39,171 posts)
49. A tank covered by a tarp looks like a tank covered by a tarp
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jan 2012

there is no practical way to hid them.

Besides, Californians have been seeing movements for decades - they understand what is going on.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
45. I was very disappointed that the president didn't brag about this fact last night.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:05 PM
Jan 2012

I was waiting for him to make a statement about the growth in manufacturing jobs. He didn't.

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